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#41 PaulG

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:35 AM

Thanks, Fernando - I'm going to check the nursery now and see how many more have sprouted.
The habs and ornamentals haven't emerged yet since they have only eight days in the dirt. Some of the
seed varieties have sprouted 100%; PepperMania and NMSU seeds seem very robust. It will be interesting
to see how the dust settles in the end!

Have a great day, buddy : )
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:40 AM

Nice man, looking good.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:34 PM

Thanks, Scovi, to you and the other kind forum folk!
It's fun to have a focused purpose to my gardening;
I've just always been a generalist - sort of a shotgun
approach.

1/30 - seeds germinated (showing cotyledons) 8th day:

Orchid Mix:

1x bolivian rainbow - PM - 3 total
1x fatali - 2 total - PM
1x long red cayenne - Ferry Morse
1x marconi rosso - Hume Seeds
1x early jalapeno - Hume Seeds

Soil Mix:

1x chocolate habanero - RF
2x serrano - Hume Seeds - 3 total
1x fatali - PM - 2 total
1x congo trinidad - PM - 3 total
2x serrano - Hume Seeds - 3 total
2x chiltepin - NMSU
1x marconi rosso - Hume Seeds - 3 total
3x early jalapeno - Hume Seeds

Total so far 48

Day 8: Orchid mix on the left, soil mix on the right:

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Here's an oddity. The cotyledons on several of the inca red drop sprouts are fused to varying degrees, a couple almost the length of the cotyledons. They are in the lower left cell in each mix. None of the other sprouts show this characteristic. I have noticed similar occurrences in my garden in the past, but don't remember it making a lot of difference. Will be interesting to see if they develop leaves or not. Fortunately, a couple of the sprouts have normal cotyledons. Here's a closer view, the lighting is kind of glare-y; the color is much more even on the sprouts in general:

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Edited by PaulG, 30 January 2012 - 06:21 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:14 PM

You guys have inspired me... this year will be the one I grow orange habs. Last frost here is Mid-May, so I guess I'll start them about St Paddy's day. Lots of time to plan and prepare.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:24 PM

Can't wait to see your reports!
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:33 PM

Looking great PaulG! I like the seedling mix comparo you have going. It will be interesting to see which can form a better rootball, so if you could, grab a couple of shots before you pot up.

Thanks to you, I've improved my grow area by putting more emphasis on the 'flaps' at the side of the fixtures like you did. It holds heat better and obviously reflects light better. I use the bubble foil wrap insulation, so I can thrash it, cut it, etc.

One thing, are you using a fan for your your seedlings? You look pretty well enclosed. I might have missed it in your GLog along the way.

Keep up the great work.... :cool:

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:38 PM

looks like heinz 57 is showing off a little! I like your ingenuity Paul! My first batch of seeds this season was done with a handwarmer mat and a meat thermometer! Worked great! Off and running though! You're a tinker...er like myself cracking me up with the mad scientist bit during the germination station experiments!

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:59 PM

Looking great PaulG! I like the seedling mix comparo you have going. It will be interesting to see which can form a better rootball, so if you could, grab a couple of shots before you pot up.


Thanks for the vote of confidence - I will take some pics of the potting up, for sure.


Thanks to you, I've improved my grow area by putting more emphasis on the 'flaps' at the side of the fixtures like you did. It holds heat better and obviously reflects light better. I use the bubble foil wrap insulation, so I can thrash it, cut it, etc.


I like the bubble foil wrap idea. The gap between the flaps and bench top provides some relief from heat build up in our garage environment. I can feel a little heat escape when I lift a flap to check the plants in the a.m. I'm keeping a close eye on damping off. I have the covers off a couple of times a day for misting, etc.

I'm not using a fan, yet, since I have covers on the germ trays. I hope to score a computer fan or similar from my techie neighbor once I have transplanted, unless it becomes an issue before then. I didn't have one last year, and the poblanos, serranos and jalapenos did fine. Maybe some of the more exotic varieties are persnickety. I just want to get them out into the greenhouse when the weather warms up a bit. Then I can breath a little easier.


looks like heinz 57 is showing off a little! I like your ingenuity Paul! My first batch of seeds this season was done with a handwarmer mat and a meat thermometer! Worked great! Off and running though! You're a tinker...er like myself cracking me up with the mad scientist bit during the germination station experiments!


It will be interesting to tabulate the final result in a couple of weeks. I was glad to see the choc hab show up. Looks like an aji yellow may emerge tomorrow. I'm with you - the heinz 57 does seem a bit more productive at this point. I think this forum is a mad scientist magnet! Ya-ha-ha :D I say if a hand warmer mat and meat thermometer work, it's all good!
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

...I'm not using a fan, yet, since I have covers on the germ trays. I hope to score a computer fan or similar from my techie neighbor once I have transplanted, unless it becomes an issue before then. I didn't have one last year, and the poblanos, serranos and jalapenos did fine. Maybe some of the more exotic varieties are persnickety. I just want to get them out into the greenhouse when the weather warms up a bit. Then I can breath a little easier.


With a fan, I get a tougher stem and less likely to get leggy. I rattle them around with some fan-wind from near day one, but It is a trade-off between nice regulated temp and inducing some wind to get more plant vitality. Since you've grown plants before without problem and have a plan to get into the ghouse early, it's probably not as much a factor for you.

My local hydro guru also advocates an oscillating fan to more simulate ma nature as opposed to a straight line fan. He also says run the fan whenever the lights are on. Come on--ya gotta draw the line somewhere! But he is more kooky than me...in a good, over-the-top plant-wise way..... :cool:

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:58 AM

My local hydro guru also advocates an oscillating fan to more simulate ma nature as opposed to a straight line fan. He also says run the fan whenever the lights are on. Come on--ya gotta draw the line somewhere! But he is more kooky than me...in a good, over-the-top plant-wise way..... :cool:


Sounds like a great guy :halo: Since I've got an earlier start this season, the fan thing may well turn out to be a necessity since my plants will be in the garage for a while, under lights on a table top.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:48 AM

Nice germination ...........got yourself some fresh seeds, it looks like a close call between the to mixes

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With a fan, I get a tougher stem and less likely to get leggy. I rattle them around with some fan-wind from near day one, but It is a trade-off between nice regulated temp and inducing some wind to get more plant vitality. Since you've grown plants before without problem and have a plan to get into the ghouse early, it's probably not as much a factor for you.

My local hydro guru also advocates an oscillating fan to more simulate ma nature as opposed to a straight line fan. He also says run the fan whenever the lights are on. Come on--ya gotta draw the line somewhere! But he is more kooky than me...in a good, over-the-top plant-wise way..... :cool:


Hey Sil,
The fans are a good idea, mine turns on with the MH lighting if not the room can hit 88+ deg with the additional flouros running. I have two fans, one is a high rate vortex which brings in the fresh cool air from inside the house, that blows towards my overwinters. I can see the pollen on the lower leaves. I also use an oscillating fan, which supposibly can help make the stems more vigorous. I need every bit of that with the "spring" winds we have here in apr/may

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:44 AM

Paul, your setup is kinda like mine...plus its cooler where you are especially in your garage. I'm only running my fan for a few hours in the evenings when I get some supplemental heat from the sun on the west window by my grow shelves. I think you have to weigh your benefits of the fan vs the loss of heat under your lamps. My outdoor ghetto greenhouse setup has a heater that is a fan as well, so every time the heater kicks on at night I get some air movement in there, plus I open it up to the elements on nice days so I think I'm covered out there. I definitely noticed a difference when I started using the fan though...at first I thought the only thing keeping the plants from getting leggy was the light, but adding some air movement is keeping them even more compact!

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:12 PM

I definitely noticed a difference when I started using the fan though...at first I thought the only thing keeping the plants from getting leggy was the light, but adding some air movement is keeping them even more compact!


Okay, Shane, that settles it, when I pot them up, I'm going to include a little fan.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:36 PM

1/31 - seeds germinated (showing cotyledons) 9th day:

Orchid Mix:

1x serrano - Hume - 2 total
1x orange rocoto - PM
1x early jalapeno - Hume Seeds - 2 total

Soil Mix:

1x yellow aji - PG
2x poblano - Hume Seeds

Total so far 54

Orchid Mix - 100% germ so far: inca red drop PM, omnicolor NMSU, bishop's crown PM, bolivian rainbow USHot

Soil mix - 100% germ so far: red carribean NMSU, bishop's crown PM, serrano Hume, congo trinidad PM,

marconi rossso Hume, early jalapeno Hume


Day9: Orchid mix on the left, soil mix on the right:

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Some of the earlier sprouts starting to push out true leaves. So far, I'd say the soil mix is a little quicker, and the seedlings seem slightly more robust. too early to tell for sure; we'll see if the trend continues.

Edited by PaulG, 31 January 2012 - 02:50 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:19 PM

:clap: bravo my friend! I got mine basking in the sun today!

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:17 PM

:clap: bravo my friend! I got mine basking in the sun today!


Lucky little devils!
You're a great parent :cool:
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:30 PM

Way to go Paul!................. :cool: ........................that looked easy.

Some people have the misfortune due to "bum" seeds. I've run in to that myself. Even from reliable sources.

Sometimes patience is the answer. Good luck with the next phase of your grow

Greg

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:42 PM

Everything has sprouted at least some seeds, except for the white habanero,
yellow jellybeans, w.t.tepin, and the ornamentals. I think these are the more tentative
germinators, so guess I can't complain. I'll definitely keep them in the germinator
for at least several weeks, even after I pot up the others.
Thanks for the encouragement, Greg!

Later: Two tepin hooks and one explosive ember hook peeking out of the dirt!

Edited by PaulG, 31 January 2012 - 09:21 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:11 PM

2/1 - seeds germinated (showing cotyledons) 10th day:

Orchid Mix:

1x explosive ember - THC

Soil Mix:

1x explosive ember - THC
1x wild texas tepin - THC

Total so far 57

Germination really slowed down in the main tray. Some habs and a nosegay still to sprout.
Don't see new hooks in any of the cells which have seedlings already up. There are roots
showing up at the bottom of the cells with older seedlings in them, especially ones with
true leaves emerging. The inca red drops with the fused leaves are pushing out some true
leaves, as well.
Some seedlings are starting to hit the tops of my covers, so maybe time to pot up to some
larger pots. Maybe I'll put some more seeds in the empty cells :D Ya-ha-ha.

In the ornamentals tray, things are starting to happen. Time for patience!

Day10: Orchid mix:

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Day10: Soil mix:

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Day 10: ornamentals:
You can see the explosive ember seedlings in the top row, and the tepin hooks in the second row.
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Just for fun, I did a similar experiment with tomato seeds. Same drill, orchid mix on left,
soil on right:

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Okay. Going out to mix up some compost, recycled soil, and peat for potting up some of the more advanced
seedlings. Will have to set up another light to accommodate the larger sized pots.

Edited by PaulG, 02 February 2012 - 06:45 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:56 PM

looking good paul. I like the soil experiment. great job
come on ice cream!!!





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