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#141 Trippa

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:34 PM

Looking like you are well on your way Paul. As for the cloning best way I have found for the softer herbaceous type cuttings/clones of various types of plants including Chilli's is simply plain (ideally non chlorinated water) cut the stem at 45 degrees trim off excess leaves and submerge cut nodes under the water in a solid vase cup (ie with no light from sides) and leave in a warm humid spot with filtered light source ie winter sun. Keep the water fresh and within 2-3 weeks rooted cuttings. Best thing is you can check if they are rooting without disturbing them.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:44 PM

This cloning is a whole new thing. I'm watching with great interest! Thanks for documenting your experiments.

and your plants are looking great!
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:00 AM

Looking like you are well on your way Paul. As for the cloning best way I have found for the softer herbaceous type cuttings/clones of various types of plants including Chilli's is simply plain (ideally non chlorinated water) cut the stem at 45 degrees trim off excess leaves and submerge cut nodes under the water in a solid vase cup (ie with no light from sides) and leave in a warm humid spot with filtered light source ie winter sun. Keep the water fresh and within 2-3 weeks rooted cuttings. Best thing is you can check if they are rooting without disturbing them.

Thanks, Trippa. Nature seems to take her own time! I have used your rooting method with begonias and jade plants, but never the woody herbaceous stuff. Sounds interesting. Thanks for the suggestion.


This cloning is a whole new thing. I'm watching with great interest! Thanks for documenting your experiments.

and your plants are looking great!

Hey, Pulpiteer, how's it going? Thanks; they seem to be greening up a little
after a shot of AK fish the other day. The Rootone makes cloning easy for the
most part. I'm thinking it should work well with the young, tender fast growing
shoots of the seedlings. Cloning with the woody growth of Summer and Fall
might be another story. But we'll give it a try when the time comes :D
Maybe Trippa's method would work then.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

Here are photos of the growth at the nodes of two pepper seedlings I took
cuttings from two days ago. I left them in the pots just to see how they would turn out.
The detail isn't the greatest, but they will work for comparisons.

This one cut off at the first node, above cotyledons:
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This one cut off above the third leaf node:
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I guess the other half of the experiment is seeing what happens to the 'trunks'
after the cuttings are collected.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:24 PM

Keep us posted...I'd like to think each of those will end up with at least a couple nice branches below the cut. Should grow pretty quick too if the root system is good.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:06 PM

Hey, Pulpiteer, how's it going? Thanks; they seem to be greening up a little
after a shot of AK fish the other day.


AK fish? Is that fish emulsion? And how much are you diluting it again? I have some "Fish Fertilizer" from Bonide left from this summer, so I may begin with some of that soon, but I wanted to check it against what you are doing - if it's even the same thing.
Thanks Paul - I'm enjoying your glog!
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:27 PM

Keep us posted...I'd like to think each of those will end up with at least a couple nice branches below the cut. Should grow pretty quick too if the root system is good.


I agree, if all goes well, they should become nice bushy starts.
Will be interesting to see how fast they grow.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:29 PM

AK fish? Is that fish emulsion? And how much are you diluting it again? I have some "Fish Fertilizer" from Bonide left from this summer, so I may begin with some of that soon, but I wanted to check it against what you are doing - if it's even the same thing.
Thanks Paul - I'm enjoying your glog!

Yours is either a 2-4-5 or a 2-4-0 the Alaska Fish is a 5-1-1...don't know why one is better than another. I do know that the wrong ferts on peppers will make them grow nice but produce slow.

Paul,
You doing foliar or watering?

Your ferts that is...I'm using the ak fish also and alternating and it seems to be doing pretty good for me.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:30 AM

AK fish? Is that fish emulsion? And how much are you diluting it again? I have some "Fish Fertilizer" from Bonide left from this summer, so I may begin with some of that soon, but I wanted to check it against what you are doing - if it's even the same thing.
Thanks Paul - I'm enjoying your glog!


And the same to you, Andy! You've got quite a raft of seedlings and plants going
back there! Looks great...
I'm using Alaska Fish Fertilizer 5-1-1. It calls for 3 Tablespoons (1 1/2 ounces)per gallon of water.
I mixed this batch at 1 1/2 Tablespoons(3/4 ounces) per gallon - half strength. I've only bottom watered with it once, but will continue with it every other watering or so, alternating with tap water that has been sitting at least overnight. The pots use water pretty quick with the heat and fans on the grow table.

Paul,
You doing foliar or watering?
Your ferts that is...I'm using the ak fish also and alternating and it seems to be doing pretty good for me.

Hey, Shane!
Just bottom feeding and watering so far, with a little surface watering
in the cells, especially at first. I haven't started foliar feeding yet,
don't know much about it. Will try some kelp maybe this spring and summer.
I probably will spray with some epsom salts if my little experiment goes okay.


Yours is either a 2-4-5 or a 2-4-0 the Alaska Fish is a 5-1-1...don't know why one is better than another. I do know that the wrong ferts on peppers will make them grow nice but produce slow.


The AK folks recommend using 2Tbsp/gal. fish fertilizer only, for
initial growth of flower producing vegetable plants, and after the
first couple of months, using a mix of 2Tbsp fish fert and 1Tbsp of
Mor-Bloom 0-10-10 every two weeks during growing season. I have used
this regime with good success in general gardening. The mor-bloom
promotes flower setting and fruit setting. The 5-1-1 the vegetative
growth. You can go from there in your own situation.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:33 PM

Transplanted peppers remaining in cells today; 24 days after sowing:
tepins, explosive embers, black pearl, choc hab, yellow aji.

Here's the root ball from one of the wild texas tepins:
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And the tepins in their new homes:
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Black Pearl:
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I'll try to get photos of the others in a few minutes...
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:49 PM

Excellent posts PaulG. Watching the cloning with interest. Only thing I ever cloned was some Plumerias, and I just stuck them in the medium as you did--and they sure liked the Rootone treatment. I've got some overwintered peppers might give them a try with some cuttings if you succeed.

Keep up the good work! In what's become a vast array of G-Logs, yours is on the must-see list.... :cool:

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 06:51 PM

Excellent posts PaulG. Watching the cloning with interest. Only thing I ever cloned was some Plumerias, and I just stuck them in the medium as you did--and they sure liked the Rootone treatment. I've got some overwintered peppers might give them a try with some cuttings if you succeed.

Keep up the good work! In what's become a vast array of G-Logs, yours is on the must-see list.... :cool:


You are too kind, S-man! I appreciate that you took the time to drop by; thanks for you interest. The new growth that comes from overwintered plants should make good rooting material, I would think. If you can bear cutting a branch back! I'd be interested to see how you do with that when the time comes.

Here are the rest of the transplants. This is a tiny
black pearl that actually had a little rootball:
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Chocolate Habaneros:
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Explosive Ember:
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Just for fun, the original group of clones:
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:22 PM

Thanks for the vote of confidence, mj, but let's get this little tyke through the Spring first! I was really hoping for another seedling so I would have two to choose from, and for a little insurance. I haven't given up hope on the two other seeds - they're still in there somewhere! I hope you are right about the climate - it would be cool to grow a variety that could acclimate to the weather here. I hope I have something to share going forward that will satisfy you vicariously ;) Maybe I'll get far enough to have a few seeds to share with you for next season!


If you had a few extra seeds to share after your harvest, I probably wouldn't refuse ;) I can't wait to see the results from your cloning experiment. I have some interesting varieties this year that had poor germination rates; it would be great if I could successful take cuttings soon and have a few more plants for this season.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:31 PM

I was going to photograph these tomorrow, but the bud growth is
noticeable:
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:37 PM

Very cool, the growth is definitely noticeable for such a short time frame!

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:52 PM

If you had a few extra seeds to share after your harvest, I probably wouldn't refuse ;) I can't wait to see the results from your cloning experiment. I have some interesting varieties this year that had poor germination rates; it would be great if I could successful take cuttings soon and have a few more plants for this season.

You're at the top of the list, mj :lol: !
So far the clones/cuttings are doing pretty well, nothing more than some
expected wilting, and not much of that. I'll bet you could do it with the
seedlings you would thin out; what's to lose if you have two seedlings in
a cell? Don't forget - carefully separating the root balls is also an option.
I'm interested in the growth rate of the buds on the cut off stalks, too.
Something to think about, there, for sure. It's all just an experiment :D

Very cool, the growth is definitely noticeable for such a short time frame!

Will try to post pics daily...
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:22 PM

You're at the top of the list, mj :lol: !
So far the clones/cuttings are doing pretty well, nothing more than some
expected wilting, and not much of that. I'll bet you could do it with the
seedlings you would thin out; what's to lose if you have two seedlings in
a cell? Don't forget - carefully separating the root balls is also an option.
I'm interested in the growth rate of the buds on the cut off stalks, too.
Something to think about, there, for sure. It's all just an experiment :D


Will try to post pics daily...


Thanks Paul. I had plenty of 6 cell trays and potting soil, so I just planted one seed per cell. I'm pretty sure I'd mangle the poor seedlings if I had to separate the root balls (patience isn't something I have an excess of). I bet they'll grow back for you quick. Since they are so small and don't have many nodes, all of the nutrients from the roots should be directed towards growing back what you just cut off.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:44 PM

Sounds reasonable, mj. The roots should still be working, all right.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:26 PM

Here are today's bud growth pics - leaves starting to separate and take
shape:
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Also, had a yellow aji that was getting way too tall. On the 12th, I took
a cutting from the tip, leaving two nodes - these pics are after 4 days:
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First node:
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Second node:
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The second node was growing so fast, I was going
to have a tall plant with two stems instead of one! So,
took a cutting above the first node and am trying to
root it, and see what happens to the 'trunk':
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And the second cutting:
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The other cuttings are still holding their own as far as I can tell. I'm waiting
for the older, larger leaves to start to wilt and yellow; I wonder if the cuttings
would draw nutrients from those leaves as the roots begin to spread and
grow? Or maybe they are excess baggage like Stickman says. At any rate
will remove them as they shrivel up.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:15 PM

Looking good man! I figured that they would recover quick if the roots were good. Looks like they are! Really watching the clones, hopefully they start putting out some new growth too soon!

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