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#1 jsschrstrcks

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:00 AM

So I planted some OP seed from last year in october... I had been keeping carefull track of which was which, and one day while re-potting, I had some company that wanted to help... So I let her, and she promptly mixxed up several before I had a chance to figure out what they were from my map of the jiffy starter greenhouse...

That said I've gotten my first pod off one of those seeds... The plant is easily double the size of any of the others planted at the same time. Which makes me think its possibly a hybrid.

Any way back to my pedicel question, I know Habs have multiple pedicels per node, but do Cayennes as well? I seem to have 2 pedicels per node, which is less than my other hab had last year, but my Cayenne only produced two or three pods, and only one at a time so I have no idea how many pedicels they have per node.

The pod favors the cayenne shape.
The flowers: petals are white to the center, the stamens are white with a nice blue color.

last years grow list was:
Thai Sun
Big Early Jalapeno
WM brand Cayenne
Orange habanero

appologies in advance for the blurry pictures from my iphone that will follow.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:04 AM

Its actually kind of hard to define a node. I have annuums with multiple flowers close together but I assume there are a few nodes close together
The plant in the pic looks like an annuum so I think you can eliminate the habanero. Most likely a cayenne

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:09 AM

its vigor surprises me... Its momma plant was weak and pathetic looking all season. this one is easily the largest I have by double.

Annuum check! Thanks Potawie

I will try to get some better pictures later of the nodes.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:12 AM

Annuums can grow very quick, especially cayenne types. I have one whippet's tail(Cayenne type) currently growing, and its almost outgrown my lights already
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:29 AM

I just started some whippets tail. this time In addition to the seeds, I have something plastic stuck in the pot indicating what they are :P

Good to know that they will grow that fast. My only experience was with the one last year... I think I ended up with 20-30 seeds from all pods... I planted half of them. I guess this one just realllllllly liked sitting in a pot in front of my garage more than the others. Also I saw a few more pods on it - in the picture, the brown flowers are concealing additional pods.

Speaking of last years, I thought it was dead - I just noticed this morning that it has a single pair of leaves coming out near the bottom... Maybe its not dead yet. The plants around it (the previously mentioned group) have been thriving, and apparently also producing pods... I have two jalapenos on last years jalapeno plant.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:29 PM

I guess this one just realllllllly liked sitting in a pot in front of my garage more than the others. Also I saw a few more pods on it - in the picture, the brown flowers are concealing additional pods.

Seeds from the same plant will produce plants with a wide variety of characteristics within a defined growth habit, so your power plant is a genetic freak! Just Kidding! It's definitely a winner! Treat it like a queen... ; )

Speaking of last years, I thought it was dead - I just noticed this morning that it has a single pair of leaves coming out near the bottom... Maybe its not dead yet. The plants around it (the previously mentioned group) have been thriving, and apparently also producing pods... I have two jalapenos on last years jalapeno plant.

Are you talking about overwinters inside or outside?


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:41 PM

Overwinter outside... under a tree.

One node seems to have three pedicels as well... Looks similar to my Hab in that regard.

But I'm definitely going to neglect it just the right amount so that it thrives :P.

Its momma was from Walmart, so as I've recently discovered, its likely traceable back to Monsanto (aka Satan). If so it might have been an unstable hybrid variety. This could well be an F2, which could also explain everything.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:43 PM

Some plants that are mostly C. annuum have a couple traits in them from breeding and whatnot where will sometimes have hab-like production at the nodes. I grew a Charleston Cayenne at one point that had slightly lobed bottoms and 1-4 buds per node. Not saying that's what you have but it's a possibility. The manner in which your plant is producing and growing (leaf shape, node spacing, pod shape) leads us to believe it's an annuum. A lot of breeders worked hard to get multiple buds per node for production purposes on annuums as they are the most grown species in the US.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:47 PM

I hope I'm not coming across in an argumentative way, because I'm not intending to. I too think that

leaf shape, node spacing, pod shape

are that of a cayenne (and thus an annuum). This should have been demonstrated early on in the thread. I simply was not aware of annuums with multiple pedicils per node. Which made me think it could possibly be a (stable?) hybrid - which as you say was likely selected for multiple pediciles per node.

Thanks for answering the question I've had all along re: multiple pedicils per node.





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