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#1 jsschrstrcks

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:29 PM

This is late in coming, and I don't have pictures for everything... So bear with me.

Iive in zone 9b, and we had quite a mild winter, so I started germinating seeds indoors in october. I have a desk with a hutch and a built in Flourescent light... I also have a surround sound system with rather tall speakers that leave about 5 inches between the light in the hutch and my jiffy green house. I started 10 Orange Habs, 10 Long Thin Cayenne, 10 Thai Sun, and 10 Big Early Jalapenos, the seed was not isolated and was collected off my plants from last year. The cayenne was a sad plant, and only produced 3 or 4 pods all summer... The Habanero beside it produced enough to make gallons of puree'd Habs that I love to eat by the spoon full. The Jalapeno likewise produced pound upon pound of pods. I selected the biggest pods from each and saved the seed.

All 40 seeds came up, and this being the first year I've grown peppers out from seed, I was unprepared with something to transplant them into. I called up a few friends and had them save 2 ltr bottles, milk jugs, orange juice containers (plastic and sealed cardboard) and any other container in that size that they would be willing to spare. I also went to biglots and bought a ton of styrofoam cups at 51 cups for 1$. By the time they were ready for transplant I had aquired about 100 assorted bottles in the 2ltr and half gallon to 1 gallon range. So I ordered more seeds from amazon (yeah yeah I know... I ordered from Hinterlands, and it remains to be seen if they grow true or not), PepperJoe, regal seeds (free from posting links on facebook) and picked up some burpee bell peppers. My mother came over to visit one day, and I was re-potting my seedlings... Up till this point I had been using a map to know which seedling was which. Mom offered to help, and within just a few minutes I no longer knew which was which... All I know for sure, is that they are either Jalapenos, Cayenne, or Habaneros.

Feeling pretty confident, I picked up a couple of 72 cell jiffy green houses, and loaded them up with seeds. I had fantastic luck with the Trinidad Scorpions, and Bhut Jolokias (red) but terrible luck with the Chocolate Habs, 7pot, and a few others. I contacted the vendor, and was promptly re-shipped a new batch of seed with a BUNCH of bonus seed. That was about the time I discovered Garden Web, and began trading seeds. This too brought up my variety count.

Currently I have 48/50 varieties germinated at about an 70% success rate (including the bad seed from the one vendor, which for giggles is still in the jiffy green house on the speaker under the flourescent tube). Currently I have 141 plants in the ground, and another 50 or 60 in re-used foam cups.

Then I discovered Amishland seeds (or something like that, I forget the name) but they have an Oh My Aching Back pepper mix for 2.50$, could have as many as 20 amish varieties all with cool stories behind them... That sounded reasonable, so I ordered the 50 seed pack and recieved almost 150 seeds. Those are currently germinating on top of a speaker beneath the flourescent light.

About that time I discovered I had an advantage when it came to hybridization... Living here in sunny florida, I can get two, and possibly even three seasons in each year (it froze 3 nights in total last winter)... Which meant a long multi-year process would take much less time... So I started doing research into hybridization. I decided to cross my Habanero with my Thai Sun hoping for a couple of specific traits to pop up. These seeds are currently germinating along with some of the others. I then learned of making graft hybrids. My first attempt (of four thus far) was to graft a Trinidad Scorpion (scion) onto my orange Hab (host). Following the protocals of the mentor graft method (but lacking grafting tape) I used packaging tape turned inside out (so the sticky parts only touched the tape, not the plants). I did not yet know the full difficulty that one has when grafting pepper plants. This first graft failed. The second graft failed. But my third graft (approach grafted a scotch Bonnet onto an orange Hab - used these because I have the most of them, and if they failed, I had lots of seed/seedlings to replace them with) seemed to be successfull. the scion had begun growing a new leaf, and the host had put out blooms (which I snipped). However I left the project too low to the ground (apparently) and my neighbors Dog mangled it badly... It might or might not survive, however after discovering this, I approach grafted a Scotch Bonnet onto an unknown Annum - likely a Cayenne. The second graft is doing well - but it remains to be seen if it will take. It has only been two days thus far.

I had two Chile de Arbols come up today, which is faster than any of the amish (or my hybrid) seeds germinated. I started this last batch in a combination of peat pellets, and the starter trays that require soil on the 25th of Feb. I currently have expanded my varieties to nearly 100, and am expecting to plant about 400 before I finish.

I live in an area that is extremely high in lime. IE you can't dig without pulling up huge lime rocks, or hitting even larger lime stone beds. With that in mind I needed to work to bring my PH down. I picked up a bale of peat moss (low ph), coffee grounds (un used), hard wood ash (burned oak to get this), Black Cow, Egg Shells, and my sister found a 3cu bale of perlite in the garage of the house she purchased... She had no use for it, so I put a good bit of this in as well (after tilling the rest Together, I ran the hoe the length of where I would be planting, and placed a little of the stuff across the bottom of the hoe'd row, then pushed the dirt back over.... for each 10x20 garden, I mixed in 1 cu ft of Peat, 12 40lb bags of composted black cow, about 1/8th inch covering of oak tree ashes, 1lb of coffee (sprinkled everywhere), and of course the perlite rows. My PH meter says that the soil is now 6.8, and I am hoping it holds. I suspect the egg shells aren't needed in light of all the lime in the soil... But I save and use them any way.

I did have one frost AFTER I had planted about 65 plants... I really didn't have anything to protect them with, so I cut down a few pieces of Bamboo and made a bivouac with a sheet of painters drop cloth (the edges held down by rocks). It worked out pretty well, except the wind blew a section of the middle back and exposted 3 plants to the elements. all but one look like they will make it. Here is the bivouac: Posted Image

. Finally I noticed that I have pods on one of the plants that I started back in October. It is nearly twice as big as anything around it. I think it could be a hybrid because of its speed of growth, however, I'm told that cayennes are just a particularly quick growing variety. I took the rest of these pictures on my iPhone, so please excuse the depth of field... Any way, here is my first Pod - I saw it on the 25th of Feb. Posted Image
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See the size difference between this plant, and the plants around it?

The pod is probably 10x larger now, nearly the diameter of my pinky. and around 4 inches long.

*UPDATE 3/8 updated grow list*

Grow LIst:

C. Chinense
Aji Limo Rojo
Paper Lantern
Billy Goat (habanero type)
Bahamanian Goat
Dominican Red Habanero
Peruvian White Habanero
PI 260595 (Chinense)
Mayan Red
Habanero de Arbol
7pot BrainStrain
7pot White
7pot Red
NMSU Bhut Jalokia
Yellow Fatalii
7pot Primo
Yellow Bhut Jolokia
Orange Hab
Tazmanian Hab
Datil
White Hab
Bhut Jolokia / Naga Morrich
Trinidad Scorpion Butch T
Trinidad Scorpion
Jamaican Chocolate Hab
Red Savina
Scotch Bonnet
7pot Douglah
T.S. Moruga Blend (brain strain?)
Trinidad Perfume
Chocolate Bhut Jolokia
Dorset Naga
Hinkelhatz (red)
Hot Lemon Hab
Red Congo Trinidad
Red Savina

C.Annum
sonoran Chiltepin (hand picked in Mexico)
Habanero de arbol
japones
Hawaiian sweet hot (possibly Wailua)
Pulla Pepper (bolivia or Brazil)
Sunset (F1 hybrid)
Cascabel Chili (rattle, mirasol, bola, Ball. From Mexico)
Thai Super Hot (hybrid F1)
Florida Wild Bird
Numex Lumbre - 1-5k scu
Giant Sweet (bell?)
Numex Big Jim Legacy
Sandia A -Anaheim Type
Santa fe grande - usa
Ciliegia Piccante (Baccio di Satana aka Satans Kiss) - Italy
Chilhuacle Rojo (Chilguacle) Pablano type - Mexico
Black Scorpion Tounge
Peter
Wild Texas (Tomato? from the swap)
Fresno
Serrano
Cosa Arrugada
Big Dipper (bell)
Big early Jalapenos,
Long Red Thin Cayenne
Thai Sun
Chimaya
Pretty in Purple
Black Pearl
Purple Glow in the Dark (possibly the same as black pearl)
Yatzy aka Yatsufusa
Chili de Arbol
Anaheim
Cubanelle
Firecracker Piquin
Peppermania's Big Ass Cayenne AKA Pepper Joe’s Cayenne
Golden Cayenne
Orange Cayenne
Mulato Isleno
Punjabi (Cayenne type I think)
Hot Banana Pepper
Sweet Banana Pepper
Big Bertha
Super Heavy Weight
Bangalore Whippets Tail
Las Cruces
Filius Blue
WM Brand Chili Peppers
WM Brand Mammoth Jalapeno
Pimiento Pepper
Chiltepin
Hot Cow Horn
Pablano
var. glabriusculum
Texas Chiltepin

C. Fructescense
Tabasco
Kung Pao
Pimiento de Padron
Thai Long
Wild Grove
Guam Boonie (guam)
zimbabwe Birds Eye Chili

C. Baccatum
Aji Yellow (Peruvian)
Bolivian Wild (TALL)
Inca Red Drop (peru)
Aji Lemon Drop (aka Kellu Uchu - Long Season. Origin: Peru)
Birgits Locoto (Bolivia)

C. Galapagoense

C. Chacoense
Unknown Cultivar

C. praetermissum
Cumari Pollux


Confirmed Hybrids
Thai Sun x Orange Habanero F1
Orange Hab x Scotch Bonnet F1
7pot Douglah x Butch T Scorpion F2
Thai Super Hot F1 (parents unknown - seed swap)
Sunset F1 hybrid (Parents unknown - Seed swap)

**After the 3/8 update I now have 108 varieties**

The list is bound to grow! I have a number of varieties on their way that are not yet listed (but I will update the post as they arrive).

Also non-pepper plants I have green beans, canteloup, coriander, watermellon, summer squash, kale, lettuce, eggplant, and tomatos.

Edit: Changed tags, updated growlist 3-8

Edited by jsschrstrcks, 22 August 2012 - 11:10 PM.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:59 PM

Looking good so far! My cayennes already have pods and I planted them in December...they are pretty quick. Mine are a slender variety but I already have about 20 pods. 12 on my largest plant! Sound to be about the same size as yours.
I think we are in the same zone...and I actually planted out a few test plants a couple weeks ago that are doing well, but growth is slower than in my makeshift greenhouse so I am keeping the bulk in there for now.
I'm digging the grafting, I think we were posting on the same thread for that...I put a few of my extra sprouts together in one pot to try approach grafting them. So far its a Jalapeno and a Red Lantern Hab...may throw a Manzano in there as well and try to graft them in several places...we'll see.

Hope you have a great season! Going to be watching your grow...
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:10 PM

Hey! I hope both of you will show some of your grafting
efforts and procedures in the grow logs! Along with the
usual cool photos and pepper growing tips. No pressure :scared: :D
Continued good luck with your grows!

Edited by PaulG, 29 February 2012 - 11:10 PM.

Every Pod a Victory!

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Yes I think we were Shane :).

That sounds like a cool project - the ideal situation in a mentor graft is a 1-3 month old host, and a seedling scion (the younger the better) either with just its cotyledons, or else with no more than 4 leaves, keeping them trimmed back to only two so as to encourage verticle growth.

I have a couple of poor quality pictures of the apical wedge grafts I tried... I'll link them now Paul!

Thanks to both of you.

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Shows the downward spiral of the first two grafts... The second one looked pretty good for a while, but eventually failed. I think the graft site was drying out - which lead to the death of the scion.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:50 PM

Great stuff, I can't wait to see how your grafts progress. And great grow list; I had my eye on the Las Cruces as well.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:52 PM

My other though would be to keep the scion in a jiffy pellet with a plastic baggie to keep it moist and then ziptie it to the host where I wanted to start the graft then cutting it all loose when it gets going...hmmm??? Been so damn busy lately I haven't had time for the fun stuff. Hopefully I'll get something started this weekend.

Great stuff, I can't wait to see how your grafts progress. And great grow list; I had my eye on the Las Cruces as well.

Pash!!! Fancy meeting you here...and Paul! Always run into the same great people!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:07 AM

Thanks Pash!

The Las Cruces seeds came from a person on another forum... They have had 0 germination thus far... though I haven't given up... I did check them the other day, and at least the one I checked had not yet tried to do anyhting... not sure if its old seed, or what... they've only been in the jiffy greenhouse for about 2 weeks I'd guess... Still early yet for many kinds of peppers.

Thats sorta how I handled my approach graft STC, I repotted the host in a gallon container at a 45, and then planted the scion (still in the peat pellet) straight up and down beside it. The host straightened right up, and lifted the peat pellet off the ground in a few days, but the scion stretched out, and now is kind of leggy... I trimmed the leaves above it so the scion can get more sun, and am hoping that solves the leggyness.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:10 AM

Thanks Pash!

The Las Cruces seeds came from a person on another forum... They have had 0 germination thus far... though I haven't given up... I did check them the other day, and at least the one I checked had not yet tried to do anyhting... not sure if its old seed, or what... they've only been in the jiffy greenhouse for about 2 weeks I'd guess... Still early yet for many kinds of peppers.

Thats sorta how I handled my approach graft STC, I repotted the host in a gallon container at a 45, and then planted the scion (still in the peat pellet) straight up and down beside it. The host straightened right up, and lifted the peat pellet off the ground in a few days, but the scion stretched out, and now is kind of leggy... I trimmed the leaves above it so the scion can get more sun, and am hoping that solves the leggyness.


Did you scrape the scion/host at the union point or just tape them together?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:12 AM

i cut the host pretty deeply, the scion I had to be a lot more ginger with because it was narrower in diameter than a pencil lead, so it I just scraped 2-3 times until I was happy with the depth... Then taped (sticky out), wounds together.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:39 AM

Amazing list! Love the grafting experiments!
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:03 AM

Nice looking list! That will grow considerably, I am sure once you get your seeds from the Pick-A-Peck-of-Peppers swap. Good luck this season! I'll be following.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:41 AM

Thanks Seth, I'm enjoying it too... I'm told I "geek out" over such things... haha.

Yeah I bet it will! Ajijoe and some others are sending me seeds as well, i'm anticipating over 100 varieties now when All is said and done.

Speaking of seeds coming in, my T.S. Moruga Blend from Wayright came in today with a surprise - Trinidad Perfume... Adding both to my list :D

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:40 PM

you know whats cool is you can over winter your peppers outside where you are :) i am definaty reading this log (i didn't know you could graft peppers until now) maybe ill have to use your trick
me in the future: (lol just kidding)

Come one come all and get your very own 3 in 1 pepper
on this branch theres jalapenos on this branch theres habaneros and on this branch there are bell peppers
come everyone and get one for yourself all for the price of a 1 quazillion dollars lol

its a nice trick to learn but ill probably stick to grafting apple trees once i get some sionwood and some rootstalk. :)

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:07 PM

Well that is kinda what I'm thinking... Maybe I can get 10$ for em at the nursery, or a trade for a citrus tree :P.

However, the thing I'm most interested in is the graft hybrids... I didn't post the research I found, but the long and the short of it is that any nodes that grow out of the graft sites will produce peppers with traits from both host and scion, and that the changes are stable (well I suppose they are no more or less stable than either of the contributing plants... But that would be another thing to test out.

haha yeah - I neglected to prune them this year, and I am regratting it.


Having read Pauls Glog, I'll be pruning them a lot....

Overwintering outside is quite nice.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

Yes it is... lookin good, where in Fl are ya at?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:49 PM

Pasco - which is north of Tampa.

By the way, I was looking at host and graft today, and noticed that the scion had shifted in the tape far enough that it was not lined up in the graft junction. So I took the tape off, and in the process discovered that either they were not lined up properly to start with, or else when the neighbor dog pulled the plants down, the impact wiggled things just enough so they were no longer lined up...

I put the scion back into a foam cup, and put them both outside, fertilized (it was time any way) with some Alaska fish squeezings (5 1 1)...

First pod! This is the picture I promised the other day.



By this evening both were looking better
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This one is of the scion - I took one of the host, but its really dark... I'll take a lighter one in the AM.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:00 AM

Because I'm sure some of you were wondering, the potting soil I use is Atami B"cuz hydromix hp. I've no complaints... I mix it 50/50 with peat moss (b'cuz peat moss is cheaper). Funny story about how I came into possession of it... My uncle who is an avid hunter was up in central Florida and came across (while in the middle of a state Forrest) 10 pallets of the stuff.... It was the final day of hunting, and so he grabbed one and brought it home and gave it to my mom, who passed it on to me. He was puzzled RE why someone would leave that much dirt in the middle of a Forrest like that during hunting season (he was thinking hunting blind or something) and I pointed out that at 30-40$ a bag, most likely someone was growing a crop they wanted to hide. He laughed and told his step son (a cop). Never did hear what came of it, if anything.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:15 AM

Because I'm sure some of you were wondering, the potting soil I use is Atami B"cuz hydromix hp. I've no complaints... I mix it 50/50 with peat moss (b'cuz peat moss is cheaper). Funny story about how I came into possession of it... My uncle who is an avid hunter was up in central Florida and came across (while in the middle of a state Forrest) 10 pallets of the stuff.... It was the final day of hunting, and so he grabbed one and brought it home and gave it to my mom, who passed it on to me. He was puzzled RE why someone would leave that much dirt in the middle of a Forrest like that during hunting season (he was thinking hunting blind or something) and I pointed out that at 30-40$ a bag, most likely someone was growing a crop they wanted to hide. He laughed and told his step son (a cop). Never did hear what came of it, if anything.

Any way - more pictures coming in a little bit when I get them uploaded.


Hunting as a kid in VA I entered a clearing that I had been to plenty of times before to find it was full of a "crop" which was about 5' tall...My father was in the Border Patrol and part of the anti drug task force...I told him about it and I don't know what ever came of it. He just told me not to hunt that part of the woods any more. Very common, and often done on either public land or someone else's land without them knowing about it. They usually fire and forget on several sites then sneak in at potential harvest time, so it is hard to catch them at it.

Nice pics and update on the grafting.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:25 AM

Hunting as a kid in VA I entered a clearing that I had been to plenty of times before to find it was full of a "crop" which was about 5' tall...My father was in the Border Patrol and part of the anti drug task force...I told him about it and I don't know what ever came of it. He just told me not to hunt that part of the woods any more. Very common, and often done on either public land or someone else's land without them knowing about it. They usually fire and forget on several sites then sneak in at potential harvest time, so it is hard to catch them at it.

Nice pics and update on the grafting.

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You have to careful where you hike in the backwoods around Kentucky also! LOL!

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:02 AM

getting ready to plant this one.
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in here:
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More seedlings
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The little one in the right hand corner lost its cots due to overwatering... Its still hanging in there, even if it is a slow starter.
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I use this to harden off the plants I want to plant soon... Its easy to move around, inside, outside, in the shade, in more sun, out of the wind, in the wind, etc...
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these are closer than I'm going to like I think... But I can transplant some into my other gardens down the line...
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Thats all the pictures it will let me post... I added some to my last post, and am just going to post the links to the rest of them :)

First of the "Oh My Aching Back pepper seed mix" to come up (little fert burnt I think).
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update on the former scion from my failed approach graft:
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Former Host from the previously mentioned experiment:
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I think thats all for now :)

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