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Composted Chicken Manure as a top dressing at plant out...

From that site you sent me on that product
 
"Vegetable Gardens
1 bag per 200sq. ft. Work in, then apply layer over rows after seeding."
 
Maybe we are talking 2 different things. I wouldn't put it directly into the hole you are planting. Chicken manure tends to be a little hot on nitrogen. I used horse manure last year and just spread it evenly throughout my bed as a soil mixture.
 
As long as it is truly composted I wouldn't hesitate to use it in the hole or as top dressing. Raw, uncomposted chicken manure is hot and can burn plants.
I've been amending my raised beds with chicken manure for a few years and I plant the same day or next. Last year I put a handful of uncomposted rabbit manure in the hole and the plants did great.
 
You are better off mixing it into the soil a couple months ahead of time instead of at time of planting, but the quantity depends on how truly composted it is. If it looks and smells like poo still, it should not be mixed into the hole and the amount spread on top depends on the watering requirement... if it were in a small pot and hot weather so frequent watering is needed, less manure should be a top dressing and vice versa.

If instead it is a raised bed, simply spread it out over a little larger area instead of right above the root ball. In other words you have space between each seedling where it can be spread and tilled in ahead of time. Manure is fairly low in carbon so along with the manure, composted or not, there should be ample brown material as a carbon source.

Untreated wood sawdust, peat moss, brown leaves/stems/bark, pine needles, brown grasses and weeds (minus any seeds), etc. are best mixed into the soil a month, or better two, before transplant, along with the manure, and kept damp below the soil surface.

Adding more later during the season tends to attract insects laying eggs in the soil that then infest the plants, fungal, and bacterial growth, though if it is completely composted (looks like dirt) and the soil surface is always allowed to dry out after watering (and no excessive rain) it will be less of an issue. Even so, ideally you don't want a layer on top of the soil, rather a mulch of some sort that dries faster and retards weed growth.
 
Dave2000 said:
You are better off mixing it into the soil a couple months ahead of time instead of at time of planting, but the quantity depends on how truly composted it is. If it looks and smells like poo still, it should not be mixed into the hole and the amount spread on top depends on the watering requirement... if it were in a small pot and hot weather so frequent watering is needed, less manure should be a top dressing and vice versa.

If instead it is a raised bed, simply spread it out over a little larger area instead of right above the root ball. In other words you have space between each seedling where it can be spread and tilled in ahead of time. Manure is fairly low in carbon so along with the manure, composted or not, there should be ample brown material as a carbon source.

Untreated wood sawdust, peat moss, brown leaves/stems/bark, pine needles, brown grasses and weeds (minus any seeds), etc. are best mixed into the soil a month, or better two, before transplant, along with the manure, and kept damp below the soil surface.

Adding more later during the season tends to attract insects laying eggs in the soil that then infest the plants, fungal, and bacterial growth, though if it is completely composted (looks like dirt) and the soil surface is always allowed to dry out after watering (and no excessive rain) it will be less of an issue. Even so, ideally you don't want a layer on top of the soil, rather a mulch of some sort that dries faster and retards weed growth.
Thanks.  Do you have a glog?
 
moruga welder said:
oh yeah good ol' aged horse manure ,  does wonders !       :onfire:
 
Haha well my plants seemed to enjoy it. :dance:
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Last year's raised bed with horse manure
 
spicy_echo said:
 
Haha well my plants seemed to enjoy it. :dance:

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Last year's raised bed with horse manure
Now that's an awesome sight.  Looks like the "square foot" method for plants?  I tried it last season, but aphids attacked, and it was extremely difficult to spray.
 
Tell us about your method for using the horse manure, please.  When do you first apply it?  How many times a season do you reapply?  Any bug problems?  Thanks.
 
Roguejim said:
Now that's an awesome sight.  Looks like the "square foot" method for plants?  I tried it last season, but aphids attacked, and it was extremely difficult to spray.
 
Tell us about your method for using the horse manure, please.  When do you first apply it?  How many times a season do you reapply?  Any bug problems?  Thanks.
 
Yes this is SFG (square foot gardening). I have a limited space there to grow at 10' x 4' so I wanted to utilize as much space as possible. Some other fellow chiliheads on here have done it with success so I gave it a shot.
 
Spraying for aphids was and can be difficult indeed! I had a minor aphid problem but it never got out of hand. Peppers are really pretty stout suckers and can take a little pest abuse. I would just spray neem's oil from time to time when I saw it getting a little out of control and for the most part this kept my aphids under control.
 
I just applied about 30 gallons worth of dried horse manure (had scooped it into a 50 gallon trash bucket) to some top soil and added a bag of composted cotton bur as well. I did all that about 1 month before plant out.
 
I did not ever reapply manure. I use rain water for all watering and used fish emulsion, seaweed, Urban Farms Texas Tomato Food, and epsom salt for my ferts. Really the tomato food would probably be ideal but I've used the other ones with success in the past so I would add them from time to time depending how they looked.
 
I had the peppers under a shad cloth for 3/4 of the time to try to beat this dang west Texas heat. Very dry and hot in this area which is another reason I don't have a ton of bug problems either but it sure is tough on them.
 
 
 
That's about it.
 
spicy_echo said:
Yes this is SFG (square foot gardening). I have a limited space there to grow at 10' x 4' so I wanted to utilize as much space as possible. Some other fellow chiliheads on here have done it with success so I gave it a shot.
 
Spraying for aphids was and can be difficult indeed! I had a minor aphid problem but it never got out of hand. Peppers are really pretty stout suckers and can take a little pest abuse. I would just spray neem's oil from time to time when I saw it getting a little out of control and for the most part this kept my aphids under control.
 
I just applied about 30 gallons worth of dried horse manure (had scooped it into a 50 gallon trash bucket) to some top soil and added a bag of composted cotton bur as well. I did all that about 1 month before plant out.
 
I did not ever reapply manure. I use rain water for all watering and used fish emulsion, seaweed, Urban Farms Texas Tomato Food, and epsom salt for my ferts. Really the tomato food would probably be ideal but I've used the other ones with success in the past so I would add them from time to time depending how they looked.
 
I had the peppers under a shad cloth for 3/4 of the time to try to beat this dang west Texas heat. Very dry and hot in this area which is another reason I don't have a ton of bug problems either but it sure is tough on them.
 
 
 
That's about it.
Thanks a lot. Was it tricky using the Neem oil, and not burning the leaves, considering your hot Summer? One problem I had with the
s/f method was that some plants really outgrew the plants right next to them, so smaller plants didn't get as much sun as they might have gotten with more room.
 
I never experienced burnt leaves from spraying. I always would spray late evening or early morning to avoid that.
I agree I did have some growth hindered due to others growing faster. My thai's and cayenne's got left behind when the super hots took over.
You really have to plan it out. I moved my cayennes closer to the sunny side so they got more light and left more of the super hots in the back. One of those (naga on the far right in the pic) was easily 5' wide. It grew like crazy. I was really impressed overall with how well they did in such a confined space. I will be doing a few things different this year but overall I was happy with the progress.
 
spicy_echo said:
I never experienced burnt leaves from spraying. I always would spray late evening or early morning to avoid that.
I agree I did have some growth hindered due to others growing faster. My thai's and cayenne's got left behind when the super hots took over.
You really have to plan it out. I moved my cayennes closer to the sunny side so they got more light and left more of the super hots in the back. One of those (naga on the far right in the pic) was easily 5' wide. It grew like crazy. I was really impressed overall with how well they did in such a confined space. I will be doing a few things different this year but overall I was happy with the progress.
Did you ever have to spray for aphids when the plants were in the flowering stage?  I just wonder how sprays mess with pollination and pod production.  I'm concerned about this upcoming season. :mope:
 
Roguejim said:
Did you ever have to spray for aphids when the plants were in the flowering stage?  I just wonder how sprays mess with pollination and pod production.  I'm concerned about this upcoming season. :mope:
 
Yes. I've sprayed them in all stages over the years from 1 foot tall or so all the way until the end of the season. I don't go overboard. I try to let mother nature run it's course but if I see them as a potential threat I'll spray. Like I said, I will spray early morning or late afternoon to keep from burning. I've never noticed it affect the plant in any stage. Here aphids aren't a huge problem though. I've seen horror pics on here of guys who did not get aphids under control early on and it can turn into a big deal.
 
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