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Yellow Primo ?
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don't know about the cross thing but i'll let you know how stable it is my friend , but won't be till end of summer . got me about 6 plants . 
I grew it last year, other than that do not know more. 
I think it is a natural variant and that it is still unstable.
Ocho, there is the thing and why I ordered in a tiny number of seeds. If it is a cross, I dont think there has been enough time for it to be stable. But if it is a natural variant from recessive genes finding other, I would think it could be stable right from the start because the Primo is stable.
This is all from my 7th grade natural science class. Sure there are people here with better eduction in genes. So please do let me know if this does not make sense. Stable brown eyed daddy has baby with stable brown eyed mamma, baby might have blue eyes because brown eyed people can have recessive genes for blue eyes. A blue eyed baby could not pass on brown eye trait because if it had the brown eyed gene it would have brown eyes.
If the original plant was RY an crossed with itself RY the outcome would -seem- (just guessing).
RR would turn out red.
RY would turn out red.
YY would turn out yellow.
Since the yellow pod producing seeds could only contain yellow genes, I would -think- it stable for color and the other factors would be as stable as its parents.
Again, this is a 7th grade education in genes. No clue if it really works this way.
Frdturner, I did but no reply. Thing is, note no mention of a yellow primo on his site. Thinking someone else created or refined the yellow. There seems to be no real rules or guidelines for pepper names, so who knows? Love the original Primo btw.
This is all from my 7th grade natural science class. Sure there are people here with better eduction in genes. So please do let me know if this does not make sense. Stable brown eyed daddy has baby with stable brown eyed mamma, baby might have blue eyes because brown eyed people can have recessive genes for blue eyes. A blue eyed baby could not pass on brown eye trait because if it had the brown eyed gene it would have brown eyes.
If the original plant was RY an crossed with itself RY the outcome would -seem- (just guessing).
RR would turn out red.
RY would turn out red.
YY would turn out yellow.
Since the yellow pod producing seeds could only contain yellow genes, I would -think- it stable for color and the other factors would be as stable as its parents.
Again, this is a 7th grade education in genes. No clue if it really works this way.
Frdturner, I did but no reply. Thing is, note no mention of a yellow primo on his site. Thinking someone else created or refined the yellow. There seems to be no real rules or guidelines for pepper names, so who knows? Love the original Primo btw.
at least one of us was paying attention in class ! i was busy staring at the chicks and getting home to play the drums ! lolajdrew said:
Helvete said:
I did not know that. I thought that even the color variants had to be stabilized.
Ocho, what Helvete said was focused on something that self pollinated, thus bringing all the stable genes with it. If a color variation is from crossing, then the dna will be all over the board. Again, my knowledge is 7th grade fruit fly experiments. Something about curled wings and straight wings.
When people spend years growing out a new cross, I think what they are doing is culling undesirable genes, making the pool smaller and smaller each generation. Seems that if the color is from a recessive gene, you would already know that the other genes aren't there. In other words, if you and your wife have blue eyes but your baby has brown eyes.... well, uh that there is between you and your wife.
When people spend years growing out a new cross, I think what they are doing is culling undesirable genes, making the pool smaller and smaller each generation. Seems that if the color is from a recessive gene, you would already know that the other genes aren't there. In other words, if you and your wife have blue eyes but your baby has brown eyes.... well, uh that there is between you and your wife.
Yeah I was speaking on the color variant, red or darker (brown or purple) is almost always going to be the dominant gene in peppers, but there are some exceptions because mother nature is a suave sorceress (mostly happens when swapping male/female plant in a back cross) A lot about plants is unpredictable though, for hair color in humans I think there are something like 30+ determining genetic factors related to hair type and style.
like he said about blue eyes above though, recessive gene traits that are homozygous when crossed with the same traits will always produce blue eyes.
if a plant has a mutation that gave it yellow primo pods but everything else about it is the same as the other primo plants then it's a natural variation (also referred to as a mutation), if it was a cross then an F1 wouldn't produce yellow pods because of heterozygous gene grouping, and even in the F2 there is only a 25% chance of yellow pods. If a yellow pod plant self pollinates or is bred with another yellow pod plant it will only produce seeds that carry the recessive homozygous gene grouping.
Most of this was determined pretty early on by Gregor Mendel when he was doing experiments in a monastery observing the variations of the flower colors of pea plants
like he said about blue eyes above though, recessive gene traits that are homozygous when crossed with the same traits will always produce blue eyes.
if a plant has a mutation that gave it yellow primo pods but everything else about it is the same as the other primo plants then it's a natural variation (also referred to as a mutation), if it was a cross then an F1 wouldn't produce yellow pods because of heterozygous gene grouping, and even in the F2 there is only a 25% chance of yellow pods. If a yellow pod plant self pollinates or is bred with another yellow pod plant it will only produce seeds that carry the recessive homozygous gene grouping.
Most of this was determined pretty early on by Gregor Mendel when he was doing experiments in a monastery observing the variations of the flower colors of pea plants
Here are some observations from my glog: http://thehotpepper.com/topic/51814-aussies-2014-2015/?p=1111740
The only uncertain stable is the dominants .. You could have 8 generations of plants showing red but each one carrying a resesive yellow and then POW on the 9th gen it's spits out a yellow child.. That will be stable as its resesive provided there's no underlying resesive Cl genes or something .. But when all the plants are showing dominants you can only hope that during the breeding process it knocked out recessives ..it's like roulette black could hit 10 times in a row and then a red comes out ..Ocho Cinco said:
Very interesting. I love learning new stuff! Thanks y'all!
Am wondering if a lot of this goes into the various claims that a pepper is not stable when other folk think it is. Had a carolina reaper put off nothing but chocolate pods. Horrible germination rates on all seeds saved, but the ones that grew grew chocolate. It did not make me think they were unstable at all. Seems more like the genes for chocolate come along with genes for low fertility rate, but havent messed with it enough to have a clue. Trying, but damn they do not like germinating.
On the bright side, I guess low germination rate is an automatically culling trait.
On the bright side, I guess low germination rate is an automatically culling trait.
Helvete, when the claims of instability were making their rounds, as an experiment I ordered Carolina Reaper seeds from Puckerbutt and from Pepper Joe. Grew them side by side. The ones from Pepper Joe were much more likely to have that thin little tail. Thing is, Pepper Joe was getting seed from Puckerbutt at the time. I figure the soil in one spot was different than the soil in another spot, maybe had more mulch in it and held water better. Something was different but do not think it was the seeds.
I think maybe people expect clones more than cultivars and do not allow for natural variances or differences due to growing conditions. Also, with so many people selling seeds who knows what a person is really getting until they grow the thing.
I think maybe people expect clones more than cultivars and do not allow for natural variances or differences due to growing conditions. Also, with so many people selling seeds who knows what a person is really getting until they grow the thing.
Unfortunately there are too many people buying/seeling novelties. Personally i don't give a rat's anus about different colour things. I grow for heat and flavour. If a "Yellow Douglah" is no different i.t.o. heat and flavour to a Yellow 7 Pot then I have no interest in growing it. Space is a premium resource.
And the unfortunate truth - barely any of things are properly stable. I sowed Douglah seeds (from my own plants) and last year one of them was yellow. I was going to chuck it but I dropped the ball and got sidetracked. This year I noticed it at the start of the season and thought I would taste some of the fruit and then make a decision. My oh my, the fruits are caramel this year. I am keeping it now to see if it is going to change again.
It happens too often - find one strange plant and claim that the holy grail has been uncovered. Novelty = quick buck.
And the unfortunate truth - barely any of things are properly stable. I sowed Douglah seeds (from my own plants) and last year one of them was yellow. I was going to chuck it but I dropped the ball and got sidetracked. This year I noticed it at the start of the season and thought I would taste some of the fruit and then make a decision. My oh my, the fruits are caramel this year. I am keeping it now to see if it is going to change again.
It happens too often - find one strange plant and claim that the holy grail has been uncovered. Novelty = quick buck.