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Some Help needed :(

Hey All
 
So I think I have a problem with a few of my pepper plants, So on one plant the leaves just started going tough and are very dark, they are almost like citrus leaves now and have a very shiny upper and lower side and a brown stains. I cut it back which I was planning to do anyway and new growth is not very happy. Distorted.
 
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Here is the plant next to it and similar things seem to be happenning to it now. A few others nearby also have this browning on the underside of the leaves. Also as you can see leave discoloration on the upper side as well.
 
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These plants are not getting fed anything but the bed the bed has a lot of horse manure and compost, egg shells and other organic elements added. Could the bed be over fertalized or this a disease of some kind? The bed was totally shaded for a while but the sun has shifted in the sky and they are now getting some nice midday sun. When it rains the suckers could be getting seriously drenched from below. But its been quite dry for a week. They are getting some water every few days.
 
Any help would be appreciated. The peppers in pots nearby show none of these symptoms. Which makes me think its bed specific. These are also super hots and other varieties in the same bed seem ok, or at least do not have this issue.
 
Here is the bed.
 
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Hard to say. we had a crazy spell of very wet weather for maybe a month, wetter than normal which is already very wet. Talking lots of rain. But they are totally covered, but that said the eave of the house means a lot of water is falling on the edge of the bed and thus seeping under the bed for sure and then the dry soil no doubt sucks it up from below. So even though they were getting very little direct watering, I think the roots may well have been constantly wet for a long time, some of the other peppers in the bed definitely show signs of excess water as in deformed stems and bulbous leaves. So yeh top layer of soil is dry as the pictures show, very little watering. But only god knows how much water is hiding below and how it is effecting the roots and plant. We have had a relatively dry week so should have dried out somewhat. The leaves themselves are almost always dry apart from dew and some neem spraying once in a while.
 
It looks like overwatering to me.  Judging specifically by the 2nd and 3rd pics.  The leaves are absent from the terminus of the branches, and the gradual yellowing of leaves from the bottom up.  Your plants are otherwise healthy.

I've got the same thing going on right now.  Wait until the rain stops, and get them kickstarted again with a dose of liquid nutrients. (I use liquid fish)
 
solid7 said:
It looks like overwatering to me.  Judging specifically by the 2nd and 3rd pics.  The leaves are absent from the terminus of the branches, and the gradual yellowing of leaves from the bottom up.  Your plants are otherwise healthy.
I've got the same thing going on right now.  Wait until the rain stops, and get them kickstarted again with a dose of liquid nutrients. (I use liquid fish)
These are my thoughts as well. Unfortunately rain could get worse for the next two months maybe 10 weeks. Not the end of the world, their time will come. As long as they are alive, they will get their chance at some point. The bed is packed with nutrients but I have a bucket of fish tea/emulsion I made brewing in the field so its on standby. 
 
TNKS said:
Thats bug stress
They had no bugs but I have noticed a few flea beetles around and damage associated with them. Have given them a neem spray and also an alcohol spray and will give the ground a neem soak as well, should do the trick I hope.
 
willow said:
These are my thoughts as well. Unfortunately rain could get worse for the next two months maybe 10 weeks. Not the end of the world, their time will come. As long as they are alive, they will get their chance at some point. The bed is packed with nutrients but I have a bucket of fish tea/emulsion I made brewing in the field so its on standby. 
 
 
I think if this were my plants, I'd try to divert water away with a tarp for awhile.  A simple lean-to would do the trick.
 
Or, maybe just staple some plastic sheeting under the overhang of your roof.  You can always fold it up when it's not raining.
 
solid7 said:
 
I think if this were my plants, I'd try to divert water away with a tarp for awhile.  A simple lean-to would do the trick.
Not sure I can, wish I could here is a pic of the actual bed they are in, so run off from the roof and direct rain onto the stones and all around for that matter, there is so much water I have no real way of diverting it or anywhere to divert it to adequately. There is going to be a lot of underground water whatever I do I think, if it was my house I would figure something out but it might be ugly. Problem is this is the reception area of my eco lodge and needs to look pretty for guests etc.
 
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if I am not mistaken it is the "green" season in Panama and it rains for a while almost every day ? Materials you and I take for granted IE: polycarbonate ,plastic tarps ,ect are sometimes hard to come by other places.
 
trlrman said:
if I am not mistaken it is the "green" season in Panama and it rains for a while almost every day ? Materials you and I take for granted IE: polycarbonate ,plastic tarps ,ect are sometimes hard to come by other places.
Yep. Been especially wet this year, but now for a week its gone dry which is very unusual. It is all over the place basically. We have access to pretty much anything we could need. That said the weather destroys everything, the black sheeting I used to cover the pots disintegrated in 2 months with the rain and sun. Using cheap bin liners now.
 
solid7 said:
4 tall posts, and a removable tarp? (something that has weights attached to the corners)
It is an idea. Rain as heavy as it is would need a very strong structure, 4 posts and tarp would not last long in my experience. Sometimes you just have to hold up your hands and say nature you got me, let me know when its my time. I think I might let it unfold and see how they do. I think they will come into their own next April and give me a killer crop. That is the dream at least. 
 
Thanks for your input folks, much appreciated
 
willow said:
It is an idea. Rain as heavy as it is would need a very strong structure, 4 posts and tarp would not last long in my experience. Sometimes you just have to hold up your hands and say nature you got me, let me know when its my time. I think I might let it unfold and see how they do. I think they will come into their own next April and give me a killer crop. That is the dream at least. 
 
Thanks for your input folks, much appreciated
 
Well, before you write it off entirely, just consider maybe putting all 4 posts in at uneven heights, so that you have a complete slant, no room for water to stand.  I've done this before to great effect.  Unless you've got a hurricane or tropical storm bearing down, it works pretty well.
 
solid7 said:
 
Well, before you write it off entirely, just consider maybe putting all 4 posts in at uneven heights, so that you have a complete slant, no room for water to stand.  I've done this before to great effect.  Unless you've got a hurricane or tropical storm bearing down, it works pretty well.
Yep. Defo not written off, just not sure I can make it work in the space. As in where will the water drain off. Would end up all falling on the path I think and that wouldnt work. Also a big papaya in the way.. Not seen rain like this anywhere but the highlands of Sri Lanka. It tears tarp for fun and the weight of water coming of the roof would be immense. It is doable if done right, just not sure I have the time. That said I will be doing this construction over a couple of other beds that are in my glog and need immediate protection as they are not under a roof. I think I will see how I get on with that and then it may be adapted for here.
 
Your mixing soap with your Neem correct?
willow said:
These are my thoughts as well. Unfortunately rain could get worse for the next two months maybe 10 weeks. Not the end of the world, their time will come. As long as they are alive, they will get their chance at some point. The bed is packed with nutrients but I have a bucket of fish tea/emulsion I made brewing in the field so its on standby. 
 
They had no bugs but I have noticed a few flea beetles around and damage associated with them. Have given them a neem spray and also an alcohol spray and will give the ground a neem soak as well, should do the trick I hope.
 
TNKS said:
Use Dawn or something more market aggressive
Your not after "gentile" after all
 
What do you mean by market aggressive? Do not use any chemicals if I can help it, only organic or as close as I can get. Castille is as strong as it gets soap wise I thought.
 
So as I was saying its been unusually dry for a week, well that is over! The bed with the chili is behind this wall of rain and roof run off.
 
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A picture from the same area this morning was such a beautiful day 
 
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moruga welder said:
whats your soil makeup ? 
 
Top soil, compost (kitchen waste, chicken coup, leaves) horse manure, river sand, brown leaves, a little lime, egg shells and coffee. I fear I may have gone a bit overboard with the additions, but I used similar in my pots and they all seems fine bar a couple but not the same issues I do not think.
 
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