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chinense Could Moruga Scorpion be the hottest?

AJ Drew

AJ Drew

Since CPI / New Mexico University did their side by side test and decided Moruga Scorpion was the hottest there have been other champions.  Thing is, none grown side by side the way CPI did.  Growing conditions certainly effect final heat.  I ask because I am not going to spend the money to test something now so common.  But have been testing with my cooking and moruga scorpion seems to be the hottest.

Test Method: I pulverize peppers in a coffee grinder.  This gives me a relatively homologous mix.  Then I put equal amounts into different batches of chili of the same volume.  Simmer, eat, and see which seems hottest.  Moruga seems to be blowing away the competition. 

I wonder if maybe the marketing really is everything.  The creator of the Moruga Scorpion seems to be a very down to earth guy.  He teaches sustainable organic farming in, I think, Trinidad.  Not some big seed company.  He wasnt even the person to have it tested.
 
I am pretty sure I saw a recent vid in which Ed said that the average peak rating on the Reaper has fallen off over the last few grow seasons.  ,
 
I think it was in one of those videos for hot ones where he was talking about pepper X . 
 
Anything with Scorpion DNA is the hottest to me, I tried a cross two years ago of a Reaper x Moruga and it was brutal.  I had stomach cramps for 30 hrs and I was just miserable.  When it finally subsided I promised to not eat any fresh Scorpions anything again.  lol
 
There is something about Scorpions... at least to me which make them feel hotter that almost all other chili.  When I taste one I get this highly acidic blast on my tongue and that is what probably does it for me, I dont mind Scorpions cooked but wont eat any raw now, I am a big 7 Pot fan so that is my preferred eating. 
 
 
 
Scorpions definitely taste acidic to me, which may prove a factor in perceived heat but the two hottest tasting chillies I've had have definitely both been Scorpion-based.

The hottest fresh chilli I've had was a home grown Fatalii Gourmet Jigsaw. The hottest dried one I've had was a Jigsaw X Moruga cross, which was practically heatless in the mouth but even the tiniest fleck burnt like mad in the back of the throat in a tickly way that made it hard to retain any sort of composure.

And then there was one particular instance of the not-Obeah, which didn't seem as intense as the Jigsaw but did seem to combine Habanero type heat with a dull, aching sort that made it truly painful. That wasn't Scorpion related.
 
spicefreak said:
 not-Obeah, which didn't seem as intense as the Jigsaw but did seem to combine Habanero type heat with a dull, aching sort that made it truly painful. That wasn't Scorpion related.
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Isn't Obeah a reaper cross? and I think many of us assume that scorpion is in the background of reaper.
 
Gorizza said:
 
I think many of us assume that scorpion is in the background of reaper.
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Now that we know there is a specific super hot gene which causes placenta material to grow on the inner walls, I think it is a safe bet to say they are all closely related.  Thing is, does the ghost pepper fall into the category of super hot?  Does it have that gene?  Certainly the habanero does not.  Per the last statement I heard from Mr. Currie on the subject of reaper lineage, it is a ghost x habanero.  So maybe the gene for the tail often accompanies the gene for super hot / placenta on the walls?

Notice that question mark at the end.  I dont really have a clue.  Heck, I am still trying to figure out the name scorpion given to things that do not tend to have tails (stingers).
 
I like your point AJ. When it comes to science, Universities are the most reputable.
And when it comes to Pepper science, no one beats CPI.

To me the Moruga Scorpion is the hottest ever tested, I don't care what Guinness says.

Also, the Moruga has an awesome flavour!
 
Gorizza said:
 
Isn't Obeah a reaper cross? and I think many of us assume that scorpion is in the background of reaper.
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Yes, the Obeah and my not-Obeahs are an MoA/Reaper hybrid but, as I understood it, the Reaper was officially considered a Ghost Pepper/Habanero cross and unofficially thought to be a refined Primo. In other words, a 7-Pot.
 
Personally, the hottest pepper that I have grown that I tasted was the Brown Moruga Scorpion.
 
It was not just hot, it was excruciatingly hot. I will never try another one.
 
spicefreak said:
 
Yes, the Obeah and my not-Obeahs are an MoA/Reaper hybrid but, as I understood it, the Reaper was officially considered a Ghost Pepper/Habanero cross and unofficially thought to be a refined Primo. In other words, a 7-Pot.
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I shouldn't do this to you because it will hurt your brain.  Yep, the last video I saw of Mr. Currie stating the lineage of the Carolina Reaper was on the Hot Ones ( I think ) and he said it was a Ghost and Habanero crossed.
 
Thing is, Mr. Currie has made completely different claims previously.  Maybe a dozen different claims as to linage documented, foot noted, and referenced - http://www.peppersbymail.com/reference/the_hottest_pepper_in_the_world/carolina-reaper/
 
It is INSANE.  Pretend for a moment that Mr. Currie did re-brand the 7 Pot Primo.  Why would he change the story of lineage so many times?  Why would he say previously he had never seen a pepper with a tail / stinger?  Didn't the reaper overtake the Butch T with Guinness?  Butch T has a tail.  He never saw a Butch T?  He grew peppers but he never saw a scorpion of any kind?  I am completely and totally without any possible explanation or even a reasonable guess.

If someone wants to flame me for this, please consider the foot notes on that page.  Everything is documented.  Part of the whole OCD thing.
 
May not be able to contribute specific information, but in the context of pepper heat and cooking everything ends up to be chemistry (Like Heisenberg, said.... "Respect the Chemistry").
 
If you add mike or other cheeses, you can kill the high heat of a pepper. Pretty well known right.  That doesn't mean that the pepper isn't HOT, just not as much after we the specific fats. So what if you cook with Tomatoes, or meats, or anything else... does it change the character of the pepper ? Maybe... Maybe not. 
 
So in foods, perhaps the Scorpions are better able retain their character compared to other Hot Peppers, and that may be why they seem to be the "Hottest" in foods .... I don't know. But why not eh ?
 
For me, I grow the Super Hots because the look really cool !! If I use one or two in a pepper grinder it will last me a long time. I prefer the basic, medium heat of the Jalapeno.... snack on those peppers like my wife eats popcorn  :onfire:
 
Happy Growing !
 
Jeff
 
 
 
AJ Drew said:
 
I shouldn't do this to you because it will hurt your brain.  Yep, the last video I saw of Mr. Currie stating the lineage of the Carolina Reaper was on the Hot Ones ( I think ) and he said it was a Ghost and Habanero crossed.
 
Thing is, Mr. Currie has made completely different claims previously.  Maybe a dozen different claims as to linage documented, foot noted, and referenced - http://www.peppersbymail.com/reference/the_hottest_pepper_in_the_world/carolina-reaper/
 
It is INSANE.  Pretend for a moment that Mr. Currie did re-brand the 7 Pot Primo.  Why would he change the story of lineage so many times?  Why would he say previously he had never seen a pepper with a tail / stinger?  Didn't the reaper overtake the Butch T with Guinness?  Butch T has a tail.  He never saw a Butch T?  He grew peppers but he never saw a scorpion of any kind?  I am completely and totally without any possible explanation or even a reasonable guess.

If someone wants to flame me for this, please consider the foot notes on that page.  Everything is documented.  Part of the whole OCD thing.
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MNXR250R said:
For me, I grow the Super Hots because the look really cool !! If I use one or two in a pepper grinder it will last me a long time. I prefer the basic, medium heat of the Jalapeno.... snack on those peppers like my wife eats popcorn  :onfire:
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I am infatuated with shape and color too.  Love cooking with them too, but I doubt I would be so infatuated with growing them if not for the visual aspects.  That and the challenge of finding / refining sets in all the colors.  It is like collecting coins.  Sure I have that year, but its a bit worn.
 
 
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