7 Pot Douglah Questions

AJ Drew · Oct 8, 2017

I am curious to know if anyone knows the history of the 7 Pot Douglah Red? Did it just sort of show up or is it the result of an intentional cross? If it was the result of an intentional cross who was the mad scientist that gave us the newer red variety?

Also are there other color variations other than the original brown?

cloudhand · Oct 8, 2017

The first I heard of it was from Judy. It is said to have been discovered among her other douglah plants. I think she called it the 7 Pot Douglah red phenotype.

It could be an unknown cross.

MikeUSMC · Oct 9, 2017

I'm pretty sure there's a Yellow Douglah too

AJ Drew · Oct 9, 2017

MikeUSMC said:
I'm pretty sure there's a Yellow Douglah too

Strangest thing, someone just started a thread about a Douglah X he is working on and there is a yellow in there. The timing is so strange. This place is amazing.

MikeUSMC · Oct 9, 2017

MikeUSMC said:
I'm pretty sure there's a Yellow Douglah too

Not sure if the vendor is reputable or not, but:

https://www.buckeyepepper.com/7-pot-douglah-yellow

AJ Drew · Oct 11, 2017

MikeUSMC said:
Not sure if the vendor is reputable or not, but:

https://www.buckeyepepper.com/7-pot-douglah-yellow

Thank you. I didnt know they had them. Yes he is reputable. He is a THP member. That and if I am remembering right, I think him and his wife have kids involved in the farm. That is always a selling point for me. Ye, I know it has nothing to do with seed quality but I would rather support a family than a corporation.

Mitzi · Oct 17, 2017

I'm confused. I thought the Douglah was the (Trinidadian?) name for brown-coloured 7 pots. So a red Douglah is a contradiction in terms - a red Douglah is a red 7 pot. A yellow Douglah is a yellow 7 pot. It has to be brown to be a Douglah.

Am I wrong?

AJ Drew · Oct 28, 2017

Mitzi said:
I'm confused. I thought the Douglah was the (Trinidadian?) name for brown-coloured 7 pots. So a red Douglah is a contradiction in terms - a red Douglah is a red 7 pot. A yellow Douglah is a yellow 7 pot. It has to be brown to be a Douglah.

Am I wrong?

That is why it is so funny. On the word Douglah, as I understand it, brown is what it kind of implies but it was originally a word to denote a group of people that came about by crossing immigrants from India with local Caribbean folk. I think Caribbean folk n Indians, might be wrong. I do not know if it was a derogatory or not.

BlackFatalii · Oct 28, 2017

Mitzi said:
I'm confused. I thought the Douglah was the (Trinidadian?) name for brown-coloured 7 pots. So a red Douglah is a contradiction in terms - a red Douglah is a red 7 pot. A yellow Douglah is a yellow 7 pot. It has to be brown to be a Douglah.

Am I wrong?

I see your point, and on the face of it what you are saying makes perfect sense. However, my understanding is that the Douglah is a specific variety of brown 7 pot. So all Douglahs are brown 7 pots, but not all brown 7 pots are Douglahs. Nigel Carter has a couple of videos on YouTube titled "Brown 7 Pot vs Douglah" where he compares the two.

Mitzi said:
A yellow Douglah is a yellow 7 pot.

Yes, but is it just a regular old Yellow 7? Mention a Yellow 7 Pot here on THP and most people will have specific expectations regarding its phenotype, heat and flavor. While I have not tried a yellow Douglah, I would assume that it is not going to be identical to the variety that we normally refer to as "Yellow 7 Pot." "Yellow Douglah" makes the lineage of the variety immediately clear, even if the name itself is a bit of a contradiction. And since Red and Yellow 7 Pots already exist as their own varieties, calling the red and yellow Douglah variants by the same names would only add to the confusion. Pepper naming conventions are already confused enough as it is.

AJ Drew · Oct 30, 2017

Blackfatalii said "Pepper naming conventions are already confused enough as it is."

Right on. Been seed shopping. Same name, different pepper from one seed place to the next.

Grew 7 pot douglah and 7 pot brown this year so I could look at them, taste them, smell them side by side. They are very different peppers. I think douglah is fairly free of that distinct 7 pot taste and seems much hotter than the regular brown 7 pot. Hard to really explain what I call a brown taste, but douglah has a lot of it. 7 pot brown, not so much.

I am sorry, I wish I had the right words to describe taste.

Ragnar · Nov 12, 2017

AJ Drew said:
Blackfatalii said "Pepper naming conventions are already confused enough as it is."

Right on. Been seed shopping. Same name, different pepper from one seed place to the next.

Grew 7 pot douglah and 7 pot brown this year so I could look at them, taste them, smell them side by side. They are very different peppers. I think douglah is fairly free of that distinct 7 pot taste and seems much hotter than the regular brown 7 pot. Hard to really explain what I call a brown taste, but douglah has a lot of it. 7 pot brown, not so much.

I am sorry, I wish I had the right words to describe taste.

Hey man,

I grew out the Douglah and a couple 7 brown strains side by side a few years back. Douglahs were more of a purple maroonish colour than true brown, this was especially noticeable when opening the fully ripe pods. Fresh the D's were extremely florally pungent as opposed to that classic muskiness of a brown. I really liked the flavour of the D's dried and I'll be growing it out this year coming again as my only brown pod. I found it to be quite unique and interesting. Unfortunately the genetics I have are not as prolific as other supers, I know not if that is common, but the two times I've grown (these particular genetics) I've gotten maybe 60%-70% yields compared to other carribean varieties grown under the same conditions and soil.

I cannot speak to the other colours/crosses, but I would suspect the interesting scent/ flavour would be lost, mostly because I think colour has a strong correlation with flavour.

I can't speak to heat levels really either, other than stating the D is up there in the hot as fuck category in my book with the bhuts scorps reaps 7s etc etc...

From what I remember the name may be in fact racially derogatory, but other than meaning some sort of mixed blood I don't know specifically what it means in Trinidad..

All in all a solid pepper in my humble opinion. Tried to find my comparison pics but nada and I gotta run out the house now..