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#1 Ohjay

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

Hey all!

 

I know I've failed miserably with maintaining my glogs the past two years but third times the charm, right?

I promise to do much better this year with keeping the glog updated during the season. If I don't, please yell at me or threaten me with aphids (or something)  :lol:

 

After reading Blisters amazing coco glogs I wanted to try myself and I've finally had time to do some basic research into this ahead of the upcoming season. (Thanks Blister for the info in your glogs!)

So about a month ago I felt I had enough info to do some shopping:

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There is of course coco blocks to make 22 litres of coco (but I will need more because I forgot about the sifting).

Coco plugs for trying to germinate in coco.

Nutrients, CalMag and PH adjusters.

PH and EC meters for the nutrient solution.

A reverse osmosis thingy so I have the proper type of water.

Kinda hard to see but there are three fabric pots for the coco grow, 7 litres each (~1.8 gal)

And finally a big water tank and a drip water system (Tropf Blumat).

 

Since coco seems to need a lot of water I decided I had to get some sort of automatic watering system for this. I had a hard time deciding between drip watering and an auto system with bottom-feeding, but eventually decided on the drip watering since I've assumed that coco does not absorb water as well as dirt.

So, not only will the coco be new for me this season, the drip water system will be as well.

 

The plan is to have 3 plants in coco as a sort of test. If I have success, and like whole process, then I'll probably move to an all-coco grow in 2019.

This glog will mainly focus on the coco plants but I will do period updates on my other plants as well since I'll also have 18 plants in dirt. So that's a total of 21 plants and all will be of different varieties as usual.

 

So, what am I growing then?

The list is:


Adjuma
Aji Dulce (Coco)
Murupi Amarela
Trinidad Scorpion Peach
Frontera Sweet
Bonda Ma Jacques
Clavo
Big Jamaican
Elysium Oxide Mustard
CGN 23209
Bahamian Goat Pepper
PI 439416
Westindian Yellow Habanero (Coco)
Santa Lucia Island
Madame Jeanette
White Naga
Goronong
Puerto Rican Yellow
Naga Viper Purple
Trinidad Scorpion Caramel (Coco)

But that's only 20 varieties, what's the final one you ask?

Come back tomorrow for the answer  :twisted:

 



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Posted 03 January 2018 - 03:04 PM

The final variety then...

It's a Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Yellow.

 

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I have to consider this another experiment. I've never done any overwintering or cutting back a plant.

The image above is from the beginning of november.

 

Yesterday the plant looked like this:

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Seems it didn't want any rest, so now I'm putting it back under my lights. Hopefully I'll get some pods a lot earlier this year.

 

 

As for planting the seeds, I plan to do that this weekend unless something unforeseen happens.

Which brings me to two questions for you, dear reader.  :D

 

Do you need to flush coco plugs to get rid of salt, just like the coco blocks?

Should the plugs also be wettened with water dosed with CalMag or will that fry the seeds?



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Posted 06 January 2018 - 06:21 AM

Spent the morning getting the seeds in dirt and coco.

 

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Now the impatient waiting begins...



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 02:04 PM

Now the impatient waiting begins...

 

The hardest part of the season.  :)

 

That scorpion looks fantastic!  What's your secret?  It is going to be a monster this season. 

 

Best of luck this year!  



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 06:25 PM

Good luck with your season! I greatly enjoyed you glog and photography last time

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:09 PM

 

The hardest part of the season.  :)

 

That scorpion looks fantastic!  What's your secret?  It is going to be a monster this season. 

 

Best of luck this year!  

Thanks!

Not sure if I have a secret, I barely know what I'm doing most of the time. Perhaps it's the mythical green thumb...

Or it's just genes in the plant because it was definitely one of my best producers ever. I'll see if I can dig up a photo of it from last season.

 

 

Good luck with your season! I greatly enjoyed you glog and photography last time

Thanks!

I'll try to bring out the big boy camera at times for some more good photography :)



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:48 PM

First hook goes to CGN 23209:

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Going away for the weekend and am hoping to come home to more  :pray: 

 

As for the overwintered Moruga, it is now under lights and I did some more topping because it was getting a bit wild.

Kinda hard to see in this picture but there is a lot, and I mean a lot, of new growth at the nodes.

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I did promise some images from last season of the Moruga and I managed to dig up a couple:

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Definitely not the best images, but I didn't document last season very well.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:40 PM

That's a happy plant!  What are you using for dirt and light?  



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:11 PM

That's a happy plant!  What are you using for dirt and light?  

Nothing fancy really.

Dirt is BioBizz Light Mix. The only reason I use it is because I have never had aphids or any other nasty critters with it.

Light is a Mars Hydro II 400: https://www.mars-hyd...w-light-forsale

Nutrients might be interesting too and that is simply GHE FloraMato and FloraMicro.

 

 

 

Yesterday I came home from my weekend trip and had a lot of new hooks. 14 out of 20 varieties so far.

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Since I planted two of each I'm still missing a lot of hooks plus none of the seeds planted in the coco plugs have germinated.

 

But that is old news.When I woke up today I had more hooks and even one from a coco plug.

Will take a new photo tomorrow I think.

 

 

As for the weekend, I spent it watching the Miracle in Minneapolis!

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:42 PM

Luck on the grow!

 

And I hope you aren't a hardcore Vikes fan. I grew up with them (I remember Norm Van Brocklin!) and they ain't nothin' but a heartache! Their "other" star receiver, Adam Thielen, is from my home town. I graduated high school with his Uncle Pat...


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:43 PM

Nutrients might be interesting too and that is simply GHE FloraMato and FloraMicro.

 

 

 


 

 

That combo have been my go to coco grow nutrient for few years now, works just amazing.

 

Have had good success using only coco+airpots without any additives like vermiculite, but this year i was thinking of adding some perlite to my coco mix for better drainage, because coco already retains a lot of water by itself so adding vermiculite is kind of not needed in most situations depending your place of growing.

 

If you need any help mixing a working rations of ghe floramato/floramicro using coco as a growing medium, that have been working fine to me for a few years now, just ask away. :P


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:36 PM

This is a good lookin grow and love seeing those ow's this time of year. Best of luck O!

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:43 AM

Luck on the grow!

 

And I hope you aren't a hardcore Vikes fan. I grew up with them (I remember Norm Van Brocklin!) and they ain't nothin' but a heartache! Their "other" star receiver, Adam Thielen, is from my home town. I graduated high school with his Uncle Pat...

Thanks!

Well.. I think I qualify as a hardcore Vikes fan since I have season tickets, live halfway across the world and still go to many of the home games (but not all, yet).

Hopefully the decades of heartache will end soon, but we'll just have to wait and see. With that said, I'm also a "new" fan. Only been following the Vikes since 2011, so I've missed most of the bad moments in Vikings history.

 

 

 

That combo have been my go to coco grow nutrient for few years now, works just amazing.

 

Have had good success using only coco+airpots without any additives like vermiculite, but this year i was thinking of adding some perlite to my coco mix for better drainage, because coco already retains a lot of water by itself so adding vermiculite is kind of not needed in most situations depending your place of growing.

 

If you need any help mixing a working rations of ghe floramato/floramicro using coco as a growing medium, that have been working fine to me for a few years now, just ask away. :P

Thanks!

I actually plan to follow Blisters recipe for everything coco related, which means sifting the coco to get rid of the finer grain to make the coco more airy and then I won't need perlite or vermiculite.

I'm also going to use his formula for nutrients and mainly use FloraMicro and FloraBloom.

 

 

This is a good lookin grow and love seeing those ow's this time of year. Best of luck O!

Thanks!

OW is really growing on me and I might try to do it with more plants at the end of this season.



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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:05 AM

Thanks!

I actually plan to follow Blisters recipe for everything coco related, which means sifting the coco to get rid of the finer grain to make the coco more airy and then I won't need perlite or vermiculite.

I'm also going to use his formula for nutrients and mainly use FloraMicro and FloraBloom.

 

 

 

I have never sifted the coco myself in maybe 3-4 years of growing in coco and the plants have grown very nicely and the plants have been full of pods in the end of the season, but of course Finnish weather makes it a bit of a challenge to ripen those said numerous pods in the end of the season.

 

However my rations for those nutrients have been:

 

Small plants in the beginning of season:

10ml micro/10ml mato added to 10 litres of water.

 

Bigger plants in the beginning of summer and growing/making chilis pod inside:

10ml micro/15ml mato added to 10 litres of water.

 

When you move the more mature plants outside to greenhouse and it is time to start flowering:

20ml Micro/30ml mato added to 10 litres of water and i keep this ration until the season is about to end.

 

When the outside season is about to end and all plants are starting to ripen their pods:

10ml micro/15ml mato added to 10 litres of water.

 

I have found out via extensive experimenting, that if you water the chilis with too strong fertilizer water mix, when growing in coco medium it will do more harm than good to the plant in overall pod production, as too strong fertilizer mix will saturate the coco medium over time.. That is how i found out, that i never should go over that 20ml micro/30ml mato ration in growing season.

 

Also in 2016 growing season i found out that, this stuff works great in coco growing:

https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/B00K0G5I24

 

B'Cuzz Atami Coco Nutrition A & B

 

Pretty much overall the same as that ghe stuff, but it is about half the price and works with the same rations too. :rolleyes:


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:18 AM

 

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Great stuff, thanks!

Do you ever measure your water for pH & ec/tds/ppm after adding nutrients?

 

Also, do you start using nutrients straight away when the seeds have germinated or do you let them grow some leaves first?



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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:34 AM

Great stuff, thanks!

Do you ever measure your water for pH & ec/tds/ppm after adding nutrients?

 

Also, do you start using nutrients straight away when the seeds have germinated or do you let them grow some leaves first?

 

I have a bluelab truncheon ppm meter to test the fertilizer mix and i never had any trouble with water ph to speak of.

 

Now that you mentioned about the small seedlings, i first germinate them inside a mini greenhouse using a small rockwool cubes and just add plain water until their stem is straight, then start adding 5ml Micro/5ml mato per 10 litres of water(measured ec number of 0.6- 0.8 is good) inside the mini greenhouse for the rockwools to soak the fertilizer up.

 

Once you see the first real leaves starts to form in week or two and the small plants starts to grow some roots inside the rockwool, it is time to soak the coco medium with a 10ml micro/10ml mato fertilizer mix and move the small plants with the rockwool to the small pots with the fertilized coco medium.

 

Then you can start watering the small plants with the 10ml micro/10ml mato fertilizer mix until they are big enough to start flowering and then i just start fertilizing them with the 10ml micro/15ml mato mix until they are ready to go to the greenhouse in their final place.

 

This is how my small plants are right now with the plastic lid removed under a 120w led light:

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Those beautiful rockwool cubes are so easy to transfer to the pods once the roots sets and i also bury the small seedling stems inside the coco, because the chili starts to grow roots along the buried stem.

 

Edit: Bought some perlite to mix with the coco medium and i will use that with the small plants to add some nice drainage to the coco medium to test how they like it.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 10:10 AM

Pretty decent germination rate, as usual. 27 out of 37 seeds have germinated so far and at least one of each variety except for the TMS Caramel.

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A couple of them have started their true leaves already as well.

 

I also mixed up a batch of RO water and nutrients for the coco plants, but it might be a tad too nutrient rich at the moment. It's at ~550ppm (0.5 factor).

This whole eC/TDS thing is so confusing because most people only talk about eC or ppm but don't mention the factor or if it's in milli- or micro-siemens.

pH was good though at 5.8.

 

Another thing about the RO water that's bothering me is my "RO machine"... I thought I had pretty decent water pressure but I might have to rethink that.

It took me roughly an hour to get 5 liters of RO water... which will end up being a pain to fill my ~50 liter tank for the drip-system.

 

The OW is still doing quite well. Getting a lot of new growth and it's going to be a bushy plant this year I think:

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I do have these yellow spots on the older leaves though, but I think it's just magnesium deficiency so I will feed it with some CalMag from now on.

I couldn't get rid of the old soil because the root ball was simply too compact so there is almost no nutrients in the pot.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 03:08 AM

I had those spots in the old leaves many times and they also may be a sign of too much watering, but i would not worry too much about anything, if the overall plant looks ok and it produces flowers\pods normally.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 03:21 AM

Nice O/W soon be pushing out flowers ... all the best for your coco grown and a fruitful season

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 03:28 AM

Everything's looking great, best of luck this season


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