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#1 Chilidude

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 12:31 AM

Hey folks, i just found this pretty interesting 1-component coco fertilizer for easy chili growing in coco coir:

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Info i copied from the website of the fertilizer maker:

 

HESI Fertiliser for COCO - HESI COCO

HESI COCO is THE fertiliser for growth and bloom on coco substrates. Like any HESI fertiliser is also HESI COCO thanks to complex-binding substances stabilized and free of unnecessary fiber.
 

HESI COCO is not an A & B supplement, the A & B components are combined in one bottle.

HESI COCO contains both organic and mineral nitrogen. Nearly all trace elements are stabilized in protective complexes. HESI COCO is enriched with vitamins and other vital elements for the bloom. In this way, a perfect balance is created in the system and a fast build up a healthy microflora.
IT is quite possible that the EC value of HESI COCO is somewhat lower than other coco supplements because no salts have been added, which only increase the EC value (fillers, fibers).

 

To avoid overdosing, it is important that the maximum dosage of 50 ml / 10L is not exceeded.

 

 

NPK:

3-4-5

Nitrogen N 3,0%, Phosphorus 3,9% P2O5,
Potassium 5,1 % K2O.

Other: magnesium, calcium,
sulphate and trace elements: iron, manganese, zinc,
copper, boron, molybdenum, plus vitamins
B1, B2, B6, plant sugars, amino acids and enzymes.

 

 

The NPK values are actually pretty balanced to make the chili plants grow stronger stems, because it doest have too much nitrogen in it.

 

This is actually pretty cheap stuff in Europe if you order 5-10 litre containers of the stuff. I actually might be tempted to try this stuff out because it is so cheap and it seems to work for chili growing according to few customers reports i found.

 

I would want to make coco coir chili growing as easy as humanly possible, so what is not to like if this stuff actually works.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 01:03 AM

https://www.hesi.nl/...-hesi-retailers

 

If any chili growers in the Usa wanted to try this stuff out, you can use the Hesi retainer finder to locate the closest one near you. There is actually plenty of places that sell Hesi stuff in Usa.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 01:55 AM

Forgive me, i could not resist any more...Just ordered 5 litres of the stuff to test it out for chili growing and if it doest work for chili growing, i can always use it for my cactuses growing in coco coir.

 

I will choose one of my C.baccatum for the testing purposes and start fertilizing it with this stuff to see if it works.


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Posted 19 April 2018 - 12:20 AM

Also i will start using Hesi coco to water my only Hot paper lantern i have(c.chinense), because it is good to grow wider range of different chilis with the same fertilizer to see how it truly works for making harvest.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:20 AM

any updates on how they are going?



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:01 AM



any updates on how they are going?

 

All my updates regarding Hesi coco fertilizer have been in my growing glog. Perhaps too early to tell anything special, but they are alive:

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Lemon drop looks ok.

 

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Hot paper lantern doest look too good at the moment, but i am sure it will start to green up with the help of rainwater.

 

Had all sort of problems with my current tapwater, so i next season i need to get a ph meter to see if the fertilizer solution needs any final ph adjusting using the tapwater. They just got their first dose of rainwater+full dose of Hesi coco so time will tell how will their respond.

 

All my plants just hit the greenhouse so they need week or two to get used to the new growing place, so any changes might be slow to come at the moment.

 

This new fertilizer needs a full season to see how good the stuff really is so hold your horses for now, because most good things takes time to develop to their full potential.


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 10:49 AM

Easy does it, the Hot paper lantern looks better already:

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:24 AM

Hot paper lantern:

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The yellowness of the leaves are mostly gone by now.

 

Lemon drop:

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Aji cristal:

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The most painful looking indoor plant i had, so it was a good candidates too for the Hesi coco experiment and the new leaves on top looks pretty good to me. All plants have been watered with Hesi coco 50ml/10 litres of rainwater.

 


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:56 AM

Another update for the Hesi coco progress, Hot paper lantern:

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Lemon drop:

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Aji cristal:

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 12:57 PM

Another update for Hesi coco progress.

 

Hot paper lantern is pushing a lot of flowers:

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Lemon drop:

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Aji cristal:

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All Hesi coco plants looks healthy to me without any obvious nutritional deficiencies.

 



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Posted 30 May 2018 - 02:39 PM

The NPK values are actually pretty balanced to make the chili plants grow stronger stems, because it doest have too much nitrogen in it.

 

I actually don't agree with that part right there.  Nitrogen is what fuels the growth of vegetative tissue, so reducing it certainly won't increase the strength of the stem.  A combination of temperature, lighting, and growth hormones/enzymes is what produces thick, fat stems.  And plants will always take what's available to them, in the quantities that they need.  They won't "choose" more of a macro, just because it's there. (they have to actually require it)  In truth, a well controlled grow room has far more say in a quality grow, than any fudging of NPK values - for the same reason that some parts of the world grow effortlessly, while others struggle - even with the same ferts and media.

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I'm curious to know what would happen if you added some fish fertilizer - mostly nitrogen - to half of your plants.  Would you be willing to take up that experiment?  I think you'd be quite pleased with the results...

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If you still like the results of that unbalanced fertilizer after that test, I have a whole crate of whackadoo snake oil that I'll send to you. (if you pay half the shipping)  There is a plethora of bottled nutes that are unnecessarily heavy on phosphates and potassium.


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:19 PM

I'm curious to know what would happen if you added some fish fertilizer - mostly nitrogen - to half of your plants.  Would you be willing to take up that experiment?  I think you'd be quite pleased with the results...
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If you still like the results of that unbalanced fertilizer after that test, I have a whole crate of whackadoo snake oil that I'll send to you. (if you pay half the shipping)  There is a plethora of bottled nutes that are unnecessarily heavy on phosphates and potassium.

 
We can agree and disagree on many things here, but in the end the only thing that matters in the end is, if you are happy with the results you are getting from your chili growing.  Also potassium plays a major role in plant health, helping to create sturdy stems, aiding photosynthesis and aiding disease resistance.
 
Not going to add any more of nitrogen for my plants as they already have the 6-2-6 fertilizer going on for them that have grown huge plants before in the past and really nice tasty harvest on top of that. I am more than impressed of the result of my Floramicro/floramato fertilizer, so even if the Hesi coco works i might need to stick with the Ghe in the greenhouse growing part and perhaps use the Hesi coco in the indoor growing.
 
Thanks for the offer, but i am not going to start using multiple different fertilizers for my chili growing for now at the same time.

And what about the final taste of the harvest if you load the plants up with too much nitrogen. There are all sort of factors too to consider if adding more nitrogen results in a bigger plant or a slighly more harvest, but the chilis taste bad in the end because too much nitrogen in the feed.

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Posted 03 June 2018 - 02:49 AM

Hot paper lantern have a lot of flowers coming and the ones that have opened are already forming to tiny little pods, also the plant have not dropped a single flower thus far..So far so good for the Hesi coco experiment.


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Posted 03 June 2018 - 08:11 AM

Also potassium plays a major role in plant health, helping to create sturdy stems, aiding photosynthesis and aiding disease resistance.


Yes, of course that's true. But I was only saying that adding it in abundance, won't create more of the desired effect. The plant uses what it needs, the rest is wasted. ;)
 

And what about the final taste of the harvest if you load the plants up with too much nitrogen. There are all sort of factors too to consider if adding more nitrogen results in a bigger plant or a slighly more harvest, but the chilis taste bad in the end because too much nitrogen in the feed.


Not sure how you arrived at that. Too much nitrogen, and you dessicate the roots. Plants don't selectively uptake any elements. They either need them, or they don't. It's not like you can do the "airplane spoon" thing with a plant, like you might with a baby. If your plant needs nitrogen, it will take the nitrogen. If it doesn't, it won't. If you add more than it needs, it won't be used. If you add less than it needs, you create a deficiency. That is true at every single stage of the plant's life cycle.
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If you tell me that your plants taste bad because you gave them nitrogen, then I'd say there is something in your nitrogen source. I can honestly say that hydro grown peppers, in general, have always tasted bad to me. Not a nitrogen thing...

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Posted 03 June 2018 - 08:33 AM

Please forgive my narrative. I want to help as many growers do the best they can, with as little invested as possible. I, myself, went through many growing iterations, and learned a lot of hard lessons. (spent a lot of $ on unnecessary products) I don't like to see that happen to others.
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Posted 03 June 2018 - 10:19 AM

Please forgive my narrative. I want to help as many growers do the best they can, with as little invested as possible. I, myself, went through many growing iterations, and learned a lot of hard lessons. (spent a lot of $ on unnecessary products) I don't like to see that happen to others.
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Often, simpler is better. :)

 

So do i, if i just found out a product for coco coir chili growing that is about 1/3 price of the Ghe floramicro/floramato combo i am currently using offering about the same end results while being simple as possible to use i would be pretty happy about it.

 

This is why i like to try few fertilizers out before i seddle for the one that is simple and works well enough. I have tested 4 different fertilizers so far for coco coir growing and this might be one of those better ones i have tested so far that feels effective as a stand alone product.

 

Often, simpler is better. :P


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Posted 03 June 2018 - 10:25 AM

If you can find it where you are, I would encourage you to try this one. Not gonna tell you that it's the best ever, or that it's the ultimate of ultimates. (that's for you to decide) I'm just going to say that I've never had better results in coco with less work, for less money. (except for my fish only grow, but that's another story)
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Posted 03 June 2018 - 10:42 AM

If you can find it where you are, I would encourage you to try this one. Not gonna tell you that it's the best ever, or that it's the ultimate of ultimates. (that's for you to decide) I'm just going to say that I've never had better results in coco with less work, for less money. (except for my fish only grow, but that's another story)
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https://www.amazon.c...L70_&dpSrc=srch

 

I know about this product, but it is not offered to buy here or would not be cost effective to order some from America. It is not like i am doing a full commercial growing here, but 5 litres of this Hesi coco fertilizers cost about 30euros and the two part Ghe fertilizer is about 84 euros while making the same amount of fertilizer mixture. That 30euros doesnt sound too bad at all, but the 84euros is not something i would be willing to pay in the future if i can help it once my supply of Ghe fertilizer runs out.

 

 


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 02:17 AM

Yet another update for the Hesi coco progress:

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They look good to me and i dont see a huge difference in plants so far between the much cheaper Hesi coco vs my more expensive Ghe floramicro/floramato combo.

 


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 02:50 AM

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