chinense Aji Lemondrop x Burning Bush Habanero (Baccatum x Chinense)

Ghaleon · May 17, 2018

Does it make a difference which plant is the "mother" when you cross them?

Winegums · May 18, 2018

Ghaleon said:
Does it make a difference which plant is the "mother" when you cross them?

I'm not sure, it might effect the genetic mixing. I know that Khang Starr has two varieties where he did both crosses and the resulting F1 plants were quite different. Sweet Misery and Misery Sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCS6uCdVHhg

Ghaleon · May 18, 2018

That'll make you wanna do both so you've covered your bases.

I assume when people talk about it, the plant that was pollenated is the one mentioned first.

Winegums · May 18, 2018

Ghaleon said:
That'll make you wanna do both so you've covered your bases.

I assume when people talk about it, the plant that was pollenated is the one mentioned first.

The format is Mother x Father. I took pollen from a Burning Bush flower and transfered it to about 10 Lemon Drop flowers which I had prepared for crossing. Of those flowers I only got two or three to take and only two pods had viable seeds. A lot of the pods failed to set and fell off and some had tiny shriveled failed seeds. I didn't do it the other way because it was easier to work on the lemon drop flowers which were also in abundance compared to the Burning Bush. I think I was lucky to get this cross to work at all now that I think about it.

The_NorthEast_ChileMan · May 20, 2018

I've been following this thread and finally have something to contribute (Found this years ago.)!

Hope this helps!
NECM

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Winegums · May 20, 2018

The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
I've been following this thread and finally have something to contribute (Found this years ago.)!

Hope this helps!
NECM

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I've seen this chart before but I'm not sure what NG actually means. "hybrids germinate normally" is a very open ended way to word things. are the F1 sterile in this case? The original paper doesn't even clarify this.

Ghaleon · May 20, 2018

Perhaps the growers here could help fill in the blanks and complete that table.

D3monic · May 20, 2018

I had the biggest issue with Aji Omni color X Moa bonnet Yellow. The F1 pods produced if I was lucky 1 seed each. Thankfully I did manage to get a few to germinate this year. I have 3 plants going and a few other very select individuals have some going as well.

Jubnat · May 20, 2018

D3monic said:
I had the biggest issue with Aji Omni color X Moa bonnet Yellow. The F1 pods produced if I was lucky 1 seed each. Thankfully I did manage to get a few to germinate this year. I have 3 plants going and a few other very select individuals have some going as well.

I'm afraid that's what I'm going to run into this year. I have a few dozen crosses growing that I made last year. Most are chinense, but quite a few are chinense X baccatum, and a couple chinense X annuum.

I understand that's just part of the gig. I already had a good handful fail to germinate. Most of them were a chinense X Bolsa de Dulce.
But, I'm growing so many, that if they all end up healthy, with plentiful healthy seeds, I won't be able to handle it all!

D3monic · May 20, 2018

bolsa de dulce is an excellent candidate. Great tasting pepper.

Winegums · May 21, 2018

I'll have to wait and see if these pods on plant 1 and 2 have seeds. Plant 3 is just about to bloom so I'm thinking of netting it and moving it to the far side of the deck for a while. Plant 3 looks the most Baccatum of them all and the flower stalks are growing upright just like a lemon drop. I'll be curious to see what the pod shape is like.

Winegums · May 24, 2018

Possibly, I have to get pods and see if they even have what I'm looking for, and hopefully those pods will have seeds. I may have to recross with another variety if I'm not happy or there are no seeds. There's a nearby Scotch Brain that is very tempting but I also might go with Giant White Habanero. I plan to take cuttings from the F1 plants and start some mothers indoors if I like one of the phenos. There's three plants with different characteristics so It looks like the Burning Bush is an unstable hybrid. I could end up with 3 different batches of F2 seeds.

I expect ripe pods in Mid June and I will keep this thread updated with how things are going.

I netted Plant 3 and plan to move it to a different location away from the other plants until it sets a few pods.

The pods on Plant 1 and 2 are developing slowly and haven't radically deviated from the original shape.

Diafond · May 24, 2018

Ghaleon said:
Perhaps the growers here could help fill in the blanks and complete that table.

It wouldn't be very scientific. I have a suspicion that many of the varieties labeled as one species have at least some degree of interspecific parentage.

dragonsfire · May 24, 2018

I mixed up some of my plants I planted in the hope of some crossing, will be out their with a q tip and try and cross some to see what happens

Winegums · May 27, 2018

hmm. Pods are staying quite small far smaller than I would have ever thought. I wonder if the plants were going through a bunch of transplant shock and the newer pods will be much larger.

Diafond · May 28, 2018

If you're not happy with the size you might have to wait for the next generation. There should be potential for larger pods if the parents had larger pods.

Winegums · May 30, 2018

Here's a few pictures of Plant 1 & 2 that I took after sun down, they might be a bit grainy. Pods seem to have started to grow again after stalling and picked up a darker green colour.

Winegums · Jun 11, 2018

Before I leave for holidays I thought I would post about these plants. The next update should be quite exciting when I return.

I've been researching Chichen Itza peppers and it looks like it's the exact same thing as a Burning Bush. I'm thinking that Burpee simply renamed it for marketing to north american gardeners.

This is plant 3, the branch structure is the same as the other two plants which begin with lemon drop like stalks with wide node spacing. Then they become more of a habanero style flowering branch which is much more dense.

The flowers are looking like they have the crook and up right nature of the lemon drop.

Here are Plants one and two which are paired together. They'e working on a second round of blooms now that they're better established and the existing pods are swelling. I like the striations that the lemon drop has given these pods.

AndyW · Jun 11, 2018

Those are some nice looking pods! Definitely looking forward to seeing the final outcome of this cross.

GreenTomato · Jun 11, 2018

I used to grow an aji starfish x Bhut. Called it Aji Supenova, looks very similar to your pods, but mine was about as hot as an extremely hot habanero