+1. Bonnets were a big part of what got me growing. I guess they're like a gateway drug LoL
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They're the BEST gateway drug, hahaBicycle808 said:
Right on, FB! Yes, "TFM" stands for Trenton Farmer's Market, 100%. Not "true form" or whatever. It was not Scotch Bonnet Steve (Foster) who "introduced" the pepper community to that strain. It was a grower in New Jersey named Mark M., who goes by "njmmadude" on another forum(s).FreeportBum said:
Earliest post I could find about the TFM Bonnet was a post by Scotch Bonnet Steve in October 2008, thanking Mark M. for hooking him up with the seeds earlier in the season
Hopefully, that sheds a little light on things
MikeUSMC said:
Very good my young Padawan! To add to your post Marks last name is Manning, ergo, nj - state - mm - his name - adude - self explanatory. Additionally SBS & Aji Queen started singing the praises of TFMSB '08 forward, Mark was shipping those seeds from '04-'05.... Read Guy Holman 2006 and look at the pic two posts above.
My MOAs just starting to ripen
Thank youMuckyai said:
That one in the top middle looks freakin' nuts, hahaCrispee-FL said:
The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
Thanks, PaulHahaha, I'd always read his handle differently. I figured he was a Mixed Martial Arts guy (MMA, like UFC stuff).The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
I always read it: NJ-MMA-DUDE. Some dude from NJ who did mixed martial arts
That's how I read it too.MikeUSMC said:That one in the top middle looks freakin' nuts, haha
Hahaha, I'd always read his handle differently. I figured he was a Mixed Martial Arts guy (MMA, like UFC stuff).
I always read it: NJ-MMA-DUDE. Some dude from NJ who did mixed martial arts
Just tried my first MOA! I liked it! The only true Scotch I can compare it to is the one I've been calling the "Walton" Scotch (I got the seeds from a Jamaican immigrant neighbor of my parents who got it from his family but doesn't know more of a history on it). The MOA (Steve Queen's) was a little thinner walled and a little less flavor (some of the Walton ones are really Scotchy, very aromatic, and sometimes but not always very citrusy). The heat was also less and possibly less stingy (or this could just be because it was lower heat). The MOA may have had a "truer" Scotch flavor. It screams to be made into a sauce and tasted just like the Walkerswood I've had. I'm super, duper stoked to make a batch. I've been saving them up in the freezer to make a big batch all at once.
Has anyone fermented a batch of Scotches?
Has anyone fermented a batch of Scotches?
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OK, nobody liked my Mikey pun so I'll edit this to a info post, click here.> Growing Scotch Bonnet pepper in Jamaica While dated, this is a very informative booklet that, at the bottom of page 32 and all of 33 shows pix of what Jamaica considers Scotch Bonnets, "the classic Scotch Bonnet shape – three to four lobes and the characteristic cup and saucer shape".
YMMV,
NECM
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OK, nobody liked my Mikey pun so I'll edit this to a info post, click here.> Growing Scotch Bonnet pepper in Jamaica While dated, this is a very informative booklet that, at the bottom of page 32 and all of 33 shows pix of what Jamaica considers Scotch Bonnets, "the classic Scotch Bonnet shape – three to four lobes and the characteristic cup and saucer shape".
YMMV,
NECM
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Debunking the debate on the Semillas' TFM, I talked to Mr.Allen Boatman, who supplied Dr.Merle with the seeds.
Those were two different types:
TFM: Trenton Farmers Market
TJSB: True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet (true form)
I don't know if they got crossed, mislabeled or what, but Allen told me thate the ones on Semillas site resemble more the TJSB.
Edit: Peter told me he is working to have Trenton Farmers Market on sale as well
Those were two different types:
TFM: Trenton Farmers Market
TJSB: True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet (true form)
I don't know if they got crossed, mislabeled or what, but Allen told me thate the ones on Semillas site resemble more the TJSB.
Edit: Peter told me he is working to have Trenton Farmers Market on sale as well
I guess that's kinda interesting. I mean, I'd have trouble distinguishing strains of yella Bonnets based solely on the kind of pics on the Semillas site alone... Then again, Mr. Boatman is a Bonnet superhero, with a strain named after him... So maybe he can tell from a single low quality pic. Fwiw, you can get the Allen Boatman Bonnets from who and Justin speaks highly of them.
Guitarman said:
I got the seeds a number of years ago from Allen and was told that´s the true form, the seeds package was labeled Jamaican Scotch Bonnet TFM.
At that time I didn´t know that there was a Trenton Farmers Market Scotch Bonnet, that was also abbreviated with a TFM
Allen told me last week, that the two types are very similar, but there is a difference in heat.
If the difference in heat is the only parameter, this is very weak, because we all know that the heat varies in between
pods of the same plant and for sure in between different plants.
I will get some seeds of the original Trenton Farmers Market Bonnet line and will them grow side by side with my True Form line as well as with the MOA Bonnet, to find out if there are differences in shape, taste and heat.
Heat will be measured with my own HPLC and not "estimated by someone"
Here is a crazy looking MOA yellow i grew last year. Two sort of 
The Inny
The Outty
The Inny
The Outty
i think most of these originated from the same source (like 20+ years ago) but have been relabeled / selected for different traits now so they are a bit different.
There is one true phenotype, if yours look/taste different then you should accept that you got incorrect/untrue seeds and use a new source next year, not just keep growing it and give it a similar name.
relabeling a variety based on grade of pods is not correct either. just because the pods you got from say bob joe are A+ grade doesn't mean you need to name them scotch bonnet bob joe. it is simply scotch bonnet.
You never know he could have just presented you with the best pods from multiple plants, or maybe his growing conditions are just better than yours.
Or maybe he truly has better genetics. But it is still simply scotch bonnet...
It does make sense to keep track of what seed source has performed better for you. I guess people just got lazy and just relabeled the variety name.
Or you can take a more cynical look and say these names are differentiated to increase sales.
Distinguishing your product from the cheaper normal yellow scotch bonnet seeds, generating hype because it's "new", giving it a premium feel.
this is kinda the problem with naming varieties, there is no control. anyone could get seed from anyone and relabel it. (see the primo/reaper doubt/conspiracy *whether it's true or not*)
There is one true phenotype, if yours look/taste different then you should accept that you got incorrect/untrue seeds and use a new source next year, not just keep growing it and give it a similar name.
relabeling a variety based on grade of pods is not correct either. just because the pods you got from say bob joe are A+ grade doesn't mean you need to name them scotch bonnet bob joe. it is simply scotch bonnet.
You never know he could have just presented you with the best pods from multiple plants, or maybe his growing conditions are just better than yours.
Or maybe he truly has better genetics. But it is still simply scotch bonnet...
It does make sense to keep track of what seed source has performed better for you. I guess people just got lazy and just relabeled the variety name.
Or you can take a more cynical look and say these names are differentiated to increase sales.
Distinguishing your product from the cheaper normal yellow scotch bonnet seeds, generating hype because it's "new", giving it a premium feel.
this is kinda the problem with naming varieties, there is no control. anyone could get seed from anyone and relabel it. (see the primo/reaper doubt/conspiracy *whether it's true or not*)
juanitos said:
I agree with this almost entirely, but i will say that there is enough variation between some of these Bonnets to warrant the distinctions. Sure, in the end, a Bonnet is a Bonnet, but I like my Foodaramas even if the pheno isn't 100% correct (they are invariably 3-lobed, but never have the cup'n'saucer shape; they are just squat little yellow peppers, wider than they are tall.) I like them b/c they are exceptionally consistent, they produce like mad (as a lot of Bonnets do), they taste very good, and they are substantial/meaty pods. Like, I bet you could play 9 innings of wiffle ball with one. It might just be in my head, but I believe they hold up to smoking better, too.
But, at this point, we have everyone and their mother coming up with their own Bonnet "strain," and I think many of them are a bit dubious. We also have a lot of folks on THP referring to Bahama Goats as "Scotch Bonnets,"and while I think the two varieties are related, similar, and could probably even be subbed out for each other in many recipes, they're different chiles.
But yeah, I think a lot of it is marketing, and some of it is just plain and simple pride. If someone really has taken a decade to grow and select Bonnets until they have seeds with consistent genetics that produce pods of outstanding quality, I can totally understand the desire to name it. But, if you're some guy who found that some of his Bonnets were extra large or extra bumpy, so he saved seeds and grew'm out the following year? You might be on to something, you might not.... but it definitely seems premature to be giving your "strain" a cute nickname already....
Did you try hydro for germing the P.Dreadies?Bicycle808 said: