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chinense Habanada

NuMex Suave is available in both red and orange.
 
Zavory by Burpee is only offered in red i think
 
Aji Dulce is available in a couple colors but its mostly red when fully ripe. Im growing CCN Dulce #1. IMO it looks like it might be cool to cross with a bonnet. Shape is slightly similar and flavor is supposed to be sorta close.
 
So weird that so many ppl's chile goals involve crosses, especially crosses from a recent cross...

I can't imagine it'll be all too long before we're lamenting the loss of classic & landrace strains, which we're trading for unstable levels of generic diversity...
 
Ghaleon said:
Surely chilis are included in seed vaults.
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Sure, but will all of our favorites be there? And will that be available to everyday small scale hobby growers? Or are we gonna have to grow all these scorpion x habanada x Bell x reaper x pickled jalapeno five-way crosses, desperately trying to get back what we have lost?

I know i'm paranoid, but it ain't impossible, with all these ppl making crosses and saving seeds without committing to a 7+ generation process to build a stable strain.
 
Bicycle808 said:
So weird that so many ppl's chile goals involve crosses, especially crosses from a recent cross...

I can't imagine it'll be all too long before we're lamenting the loss of classic & landrace strains, which we're trading for unstable levels of generic diversity...
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It's part of the reason why I am so interested in landrace peppers.  Been growing mostly those for the past 4-5 years.  I'll always eagerly read about new strains and crosses and usually grow a couple each year, but most of our pepper space is used for landrace peppers.
 
SmokenFire said:
 
It's part of the reason why I am so interested in landrace peppers.  Been growing mostly those for the past 4-5 years.  I'll always eagerly read about new strains and crosses and usually grow a couple each year, but most of our pepper space is used for landrace peppers.
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I think the hobby, and probably the entire industry, needs both the tried & true favorites as well as some hot new strains and crosses. But I think that the half-informed, barely committed approach to crosses is risky. I'm happy to grow the "normal" stuff, and I get most stoaked about esoteric landraces, although my knowledge isn't vast enough to know which of these are legit...

Which is why THP is so helpful to me. I learn stuff here every day.
 
Bicycle808 said:
Sure, but will all of our favorites be there? And will that be available to everyday small scale hobby growers? Or are we gonna have to grow all these scorpion x habanada x Bell x reaper x pickled jalapeno five-way crosses, desperately trying to get back what we have lost?

I know i'm paranoid, but it ain't impossible, with all these ppl making crosses and saving seeds without committing to a 7+ generation process to build a stable strain.
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I wouldn't worry. A huge amount of people still think the ghost pepper is the hottest and haven't had very many different peppers of any heat level other than the popular ones.

Also most people don't even like to eat fresh habaneros and say jalapeno is hot enough for them. The business is growing but not enough to get too concerned.
 
Your probably right but I can already see it happening to me... I'm gonna end up hoarding seeds and acting really weird about it. I'm growing four different types of Jalapeños and I'm already getting weird about pthat.... Haven't even gotten any ripe pods off of them yet but the one type is a NuMex Vaquero and I knew it was some type of cross but it's getting two buds per node, like a chinense and it's freaking me out. Like, on the one hand I'm happy because I'll get a shitpile of pods but on the other hand it fills me with some sort of FrankenFood panic.

Maybe I'm just a weird guy.
 
My concerns are for the crosses. So many are coming so fast that there are sure to be gems that'll disappear. People also can't reign in their yappers until their stuff is stable.

There is room for the classics and many new ones, if people can shut the fuck up when necessary.
 
Peppermafia said:
I crossed the habanada with the aji delight last year and hope to use it as a bridge to bring baccatum traits to bell peppers.
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Congrats bud.

I attempted the same cross, both ways last year and just couldn't get one to take.
 
Bicycle808 said:
I can't imagine it'll be all too long before we're lamenting the loss of classic & landrace strains, which we're trading for unstable levels of generic diversity...
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I get what you are saying, but I really think everything will be OK. New, unstable crosses are being treated as their own thing, different from their parent varieties. The original varieties haven't been going away just because a lot of new crosses are being created. The original red Bhut has been used in many crosses: JPGS, Pink Tiger, Black Bhut, Yaki Blue, Chocolate Bhutlah, and the list goes on. And yet, pure red Bhut seeds are still readily available, because the crosses made with it are seen as their own unique varieties, separate and distinct both from their parents and from each other. The original red Cayenne can be found everywhere, despite Bonnie distributing their Dragon Cayenne variant far and wide, because they are two different varieties.
 
Don't get me wrong, I can understand why you are concerned about losing the original varieties. But when I look around, I just don't see that happening. It seems to me that new crosses are only adding to our possible grow options, and have not been bumping existing varieties off of the list.
 
I don't see land race varieties disappearing. Over Half the plants I'm growing this year are land race and they're the ones I'm most excited about. The crosses are usually hyper hot something or other and I can't even stand the smell, heat or taste.
 
I don't disagree with you, but I do see growers who are specifically selling the "original" red Bhut seeds, plus vendors who are promoting their seeds as being the "original" red Bhut strain. So maybe, for discerning ppl, that is a concern? At least as far as the Bhuts go....

I realise there are at least two different "improved" red Bhut strains, too.

I just get the sense that, between normal cross-pollination, rampant experimental crosses with a tendency to distribute f1 and f2 among hobby level growers, and some real non-scientific/careless monitoring of these crosses, it seems like things might end up getting away from us...

But, again, I'm probably just being very paranoid.
 
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