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#1 Edmick

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:58 PM

Anyone wanna do a non-pepper growdown? Looking for suggestions on what varieties people might think will be fun for next year. I'm willing to host and provide seed to anyone interested. Thoughts?

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:33 PM

I'm in..

 

some suggestions:

 

Okra 

 

Egg plant

 

Tomato

 

Strawberries

 

 


Edited by Grass Snake, 30 June 2018 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:33 PM

What I would like to see is a gdtd done with cuttings (aka clones).  That way genetically everyone is on the same playing field. Thus the outcome will truly come down to grower skill without any doubts. Even landrace strains have a certain amount of pheno variation. GDTD done with seed have always sounded fun to me yet possibly inaccurate due to pheno variation.



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:54 PM

I'm in..
 
some suggestions:
 
Okra 
 
Egg plant
 
Tomato
 
Strawberries

Great suggestions. I would like to choose somewhat unique variations of those varieties though to make sure its not something that can just be purchased at a grocery store. It's an honor system but nonetheless, I think it'll make the participants a little more comfortable if it were an "off" variety that can't be purchased.

What I would like to see is a gdtd done with cuttings (aka clones).  That way genetically everyone is on the same playing field. Thus the outcome will truly come down to grower skill without any doubts. Even landrace strains have a certain amount of pheno variation. GDTD done with seed have always sounded fun to me yet possibly inaccurate due to pheno variation.

The clone idea is great but just not sure how it would work. Would cost a fortune to ship that many clones out to everyone. But yea, I get what you're saying. It really is the only way to ensure a genetically equal playing field.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:29 PM

 Thus the outcome will truly come down to grower skill without any doubts

 

Still have to take account for the different growing regions. Starting from seed allows the plant to grow and adapt to each ones environment giving them the best chance of success... so I would think. Can there ever really be a level playing field in these GD's?   


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 07:41 PM

I hadn't thought about the cost  :think:



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 08:06 PM

Living in a much different year round climate, certain things grow during certain times. But sounds like fun.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 08:37 PM

I hadn't thought about the cost  :think:

Sounds like hogleg is covering the shipping.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 10:37 PM

I hadn't really thought about it until this thread.

 

But, after the pepper plant, there aren't that many other fruiting plants with a wide enough growing range to have a similar "Growdown, Throwdown".

 



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 11:37 PM

Thus the outcome will truly come down to grower skill without any doubts. 

 

More often than not, good growing conditions are mistaken for grower skill.

What requires skill in one part of the world, will be effortless for the conditions present in another.

We could make it fair, and have everyone do their growing in a place that requires actual skill.  I vote for Florida. :D


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 11:50 PM

I'm in..

 

some suggestions:

 

Okra 

 

Egg plant

 

Tomato

 

Strawberries

 

 

 

This is tricky.  The out-of-phase growing seasons make this hard for mass participation.  I plant tomatoes out in September and February, for instance.  I'm just about done by the time most people get going. (and they don't do well after June)  Plus, I have no indoor accommodation anymore for hydro.

 

Eggplant sounds like a good one, though.  Okra, too.  


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:09 AM

Yeah do an okra. Pretty sure they grow like weeds here



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 06:46 AM

I vote for eggplant.  And wouldn't have an issue paying for my shipping.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:43 AM

I'm in if it happens. 

 

If you decide on okra I have 16 varieties of okra seeds from a swap last year, let me know. We swapped only 20 seeds so I need to get them planted to get more seed for next year. Here's what I have.

 

Baby Bubba Okra  

Bowling Red  

Bush Cowhorn

Clemson Spineless

Eagle Pass Okra  

Emerald Okra

Fife Creek Cowhorn

Indian 9 Ridge

Long Green Pod

Orange Jing Okra  

Philippine Lady  Finger  

Red velvet Okra

Silvar Queen

Stelley Okra   

Stewart's Zeebest Okra  

Valona Okra   

 


Edited by Rajun Gardener, 01 July 2018 - 03:37 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:45 AM

I watched a Mark Weins video and had to look up an eggplant from Ghana they used in soups/stews. I found seeds and I'm pretty sure you can't find these in a market. 

 

https://trueloveseed...en-egg-eggplant

 

Just throwing suggestions out there, I'm good with anything.



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 11:09 AM

One of the unique varieties of okra sounds fun. Eggplant sounds nice too. I'm growing Japanese eggplant this year.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 12:23 PM

"The geographical origin of okra is disputed, with supporters of West AfricanEthiopian, and South Asian origins. The plant is cultivated in tropical, subtropical and warm temperate regions around the world"

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Eggplant prefers hot weather, and when grown in cold climates or in areas with low humidity, the plants languish or fail to set and produce mature fruit."

From watching and participating in several growing contests it's obvious that climate plays a huge role. Northern growers don't have a hope to grow monster outdoor plants like peppers or other nightshades like the Southern growers can. Even as someone in the only 8A/B zone in Canada it's a short season with colder weather and slower growth. I have to start my pepper plants indoors during November and plant them in April to even get a good harvest off of them. If the contest starts in January then I don't think I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting any semi tropical/ hot house plant to be competitive. I guess that's just the way it goes though?

Things I can grow in abundance are berry plants and fruit trees but those are hardly a good choice for a growing contest as they take several years to mature.

Something to try might be a strain of Garlic, plant X number of cloves and weigh in once the plants are harvested and cured?  


Edited by Winegums, 01 July 2018 - 12:24 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 12:50 PM

"The geographical origin of okra is disputed, with supporters of West AfricanEthiopian, and South Asian origins. The plant is cultivated in tropical, subtropical and warm temperate regions around the world"

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Eggplant prefers hot weather, and when grown in cold climates or in areas with low humidity, the plants languish or fail to set and produce mature fruit."

From watching and participating in several growing contests it's obvious that climate plays a huge role. Northern growers don't have a hope to grow monster outdoor plants like peppers or other nightshades like the Southern growers can. Even as someone in the only 8A/B zone in Canada it's a short season with colder weather and slower growth. I have to start my pepper plants indoors during November and plant them in April to even get a good harvest off of them. If the contest starts in January then I don't think I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting any semi tropical/ hot house plant to be competitive. I guess that's just the way it goes though?

Things I can grow in abundance are berry plants and fruit trees but those are hardly a good choice for a growing contest as they take several years to mature.

Something to try might be a strain of Garlic, plant X number of cloves and weigh in once the plants are harvested and cured?  

 

Garlic doesn't do well in the south.  Especially hardneck varieties.  

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I have to say, I think that you'll find that higher altitude northern growers - given a long enough season - often kick our southern asses, when it comes to nightshade plants, in general.  Yes, they may be from a certain place, but that just means they will survive in the harsher of the 2 environments.  It certainly doesn't mean that they won't thrive, given changes in climate.

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It's been my general, overall experience - having lived in both the North and the South - that Northern growers will thoroughly rinse me, in a 4 month growing cycle.  My only redemption, is that I can keep it going longer.

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I lived in zone 5, and grew eggplants like I've never even seen down here.   


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 03:15 PM

Okra does sound interesting. +1

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:25 PM

I'm in if it happens. 
 
If you decide on okra I have 16 varieties of okra seeds from a swap last year, let me know. We swapped only 20 seeds so I need to get them planted to get more seed for next year. Here's what I have.
 
Baby Bubba Okra  
Bowling Red  
Bush Cowhorn
Clemson Spineless
Eagle Pass Okra  
Emerald Okra
Fife Creek Cowhorn
Indian 9 Ridge
Long Green Pod
Orange Jing Okra  
Philippine Lady  Finger  
Red velvet Okra
Silvar Queen
Stelley Okra   
Stewart's Zeebest Okra  
Valona Okra   
 

Why can't I get my Jing orange to germinate? I have had no problems with spineless Clemson and 16" Louisiana long pod but have tried for months with different Jing orange seeds to no avail...

Love all your different varieties would love to try em all! And dig the idea of a GDTD with okra!

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Edited by YAMracer754, 09 July 2018 - 01:25 PM.





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