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#1 Helioter

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:07 AM

Does anyone know any kind of book, text, document, ...etc about pepper cross or cross pepper parents? 


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:22 AM

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Does anyone know any kind of book, text, document, ...etc about pepper cross or cross pepper parents?

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My favorite "cross article" is .Tomato Gene Basics... While yes it is about tomatoes it is about the same Family, Solanaceae. I have often wondered about how the "parents" influence the F1 and beyond (Read that as I crossed a brown frutensese with a yellow chinense .... All F1 have the same genes but from there look at page 2 of the article for the "mix" in future generations.

 

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:57 AM

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My favorite "cross article" is .Tomato Gene Basics... While yes it is about tomatoes it is about the same Family, Solanaceae. I have often wondered about how the "parents" influence the F1 and beyond (Read that as I crossed a brown frutensese with a yellow chinense .... All F1 have the same genes but from there look at page 2 of the article for the "mix" in future generations.
 
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Thank you it was very helpful article but I'm also looking for book which tell us how to make specific cross, for example bhut x rs_hab ->reaper. Where all these data documented and how could we access these data? Are there any books, are they published in article or,... etc.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:20 AM

This is only for inter specific pepper hybrids but this should do you good.
http://www.scielo.br...332011000300006

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 05:15 AM

I'm also looking for book which tell us how to make specific cross, for example bhut x rs_hab -> reaper.

I don't think you will find such a book. First of all, the parentage of many varieties are uncertain. And even if you know which varieties were crossed to create the variety that you're interesting in it's not as easy as just repeating the cross. In the generations after you've made the cross you'll get a lot of variation as the genes from both parents gets combined in different ways. How the stable variety that you end up with in the end, after many generations, depends on which plants you allow to reproduce. If you have space to grow a huge number of plants and you select the ones that look most like the reaper in each generation you might get something that looks similar to the reaper but it still wouldn't be the reaper. If you only have place for a small number of plants you are relying much more on luck. You might still get something interesting, but it probably wouldn't look much like a reaper.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:28 AM

I don't think you will find such a book. First of all, the parentage of many varieties are uncertain. And even if you know which varieties were crossed to create the variety that you're interesting in it's not as easy as just repeating the cross. In the generations after you've made the cross you'll get a lot of variation as the genes from both parents gets combined in different ways. How the stable variety that you end up with in the end, after many generations, depends on which plants you allow to reproduce. If you have space to grow a huge number of plants and you select the ones that look most like the reaper in each generation you might get something that looks similar to the reaper but it still wouldn't be the reaper. If you only have place for a small number of plants you are relying much more on luck. You might still get something interesting, but it probably wouldn't look much like a reaper.

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In my viewpoint you nailed it Diafond! The two things in your post is parentage and selection during the grow are the important aspects to recreating a Frankenstein as OP wants to do.

 

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:11 AM

This is also a good article to read http://www.thechilem...ing_peppers.php

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"You will quite often see seed sellers offering F1 varieties. They are able to cross two varieties and know exactly what the plants and pods will look like."
How????
This is exactly my question?
How do we have lots of seed seller around the world that selling same f1 pepper seed ?
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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:18 AM

And one more question, if we have unlimited time and space for growing seed, are we able to make open pollinated version of all hybrid variety? For example open pollinated big beef tomato or open pollinated Helios pepper?
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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:39 AM

This is also a good article to read http://www.thechilem...ing_peppers.php

Specially here:
"You will quite often see seed sellers offering F1 varieties. They are able to cross two varieties and know exactly what the plants and pods will look like."
How????
This is exactly my question?

How do we have lots of seed seller around the world that selling same f1 pepper seed ?

In F1 things only the dominant allele will show in the gene.

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 05:47 PM

And one more question, if we have unlimited time and space for growing seed, are we able to make open pollinated version of all hybrid variety? For example open pollinated big beef tomato or open pollinated Helios pepper?


Open pollinated afaik just means the seeds came from unisolated pods. However I think I've heard it used with tomatoes to be synonymous with heirloom, in which case yeah. You can grow out a cross for 7-8ish generations and have a decently stable new variety.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 12:55 AM

Open pollinated afaik just means the seeds came from unisolated pods. However I think I've heard it used with tomatoes to be synonymous with heirloom, in which case yeah. You can grow out a cross for 7-8ish generations and have a decently stable new variety.

Thank you for your comment but let me bring the definition of these two word.

Open pollinated :"generally refers to seeds that will "breed true". When the plants of an open-pollinated variety self-pollinate, or are pollinated by another representative of the same variety, the resulting seeds will produce plants roughly identical to their parents"

Heirloom: "An heirloom seed is the seed of a plant that has been carefully cultivated and passed down through many generations."

If we could have open pollinated version of all seeds why there is no seller that sell open pollinated big beef or Helios seeds?

Edited by Helioter, 19 September 2018 - 06:32 AM.

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