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#21 CDNmatt

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 09:52 AM

 

I do not understand why it comes down to some folks being so rude, snarky or even downright mean sometimes? It's a simple thread that really was not aggressive, angry or even geared toward anyone. If you do not like the content or do not understand what is being discussed then there is no reason for you to participate.

 

And yes, I am fairly well versed in the English language. I understand what a gourmet meal is and what it is comprised of. Like I said previously in response to your egg commentary. Yes, there are eggs that are actually better than other eggs. If I were making a gourmet meal that required eggs, there would be a choice and the right one would be to use free range farm eggs. They taste better, have more minerals, have more vitamins, are lower in cholesterol, more beta carotene. If you do not agree with those statements it just means that you are uneducated about chicken eggs. It does not change the truth about them. To me, there is no doubt that a super hot pepper brings a different flavor profile to any dish. It isn't just heat. Each pepper has a specific flavor. And there is a way to harness that flavor. So...I have no idea what the argument or the insults are about?

 

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CC I think you can only shake the tree so many times with this my friend before others become frustrated..I think thats where a few of the folks may be at right now. I do not think anyone has the intention of being rude.

 

I think I will hold off for now and perhaps comment more later on this.
 


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:05 AM

 

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CC I think you can only shake the tree so many times with this my friend before others become frustrated..I think thats where a few of the folks may be at right now. I do not think anyone has the intention of being rude.

 

I think I will hold off for now and perhaps comment more later on this.
 

 

Hello friend. I was not trying to shake any tree. I like to talk about hot peppers. It is odd that people get frustrated or rude over a simple conversation about super hot peppers on a forum specifically made for chileheads to discuss hot peppers. Yes, there are intentionally rude comments being made here. And to what end? I think if you reread my initial commentary it would be hard to argue with what I'm saying. Is it really so upsetting that I think super hot peppers are the gourmet version of hot peppers? Really? What is so upsetting about that thought process? If you do not agree, that's cool. I'm not going to get upset and start telling you that you are stupid. Are people unaware of the concept that you can actually build specific flavor profiles with certain peppers? Then what is all this hub-bub about all the different varieties of hot sauces being made? Isn't that precisely what hot sauce makers are doing? Trying to make the best hot sauce with specific hot pepper flavors. C'mon folks, lighten up.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:07 AM

No one is arguing that there is higher quality ingredients available.

There is beef and there is grass fed beef.

There are bananas and there are organic bananas.

Eggs, free range, no antibiotic eggs.

You get the idea.

The word "gourmet" is never used to describe a fruit, vegetable or any singular raw ingredient. It's ok if you want to be hard headed about it. It's ok if you want to think that putting the word "gourmet" in front of a raw vegetable makes you feel cooler about it but the fact is, there's no such thing as a "gourmet ingredient". The word gourmet refers to a finished product or a person creating said product. No one makes salsa with gourmet onions, gourmet tomatoes, gourmet cilantro, and gourmet jalapeños. The salsa becomes "gourmet" as a finished product.

And of you ask a question on a public forum just to bait people into your stubborn point of view, don't be surprised when people become more aggressive in their willingness to help you realize you are misusing the term.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go use my gourmet eggs in my non-gourmet breakfast. :crazy:

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:17 AM

No one is arguing that there is higher quality ingredients available.

There is beef and there is grass fed beef.

There are bananas and there are organic bananas.

Eggs, free range, no antibiotic eggs.

You get the idea.

The word "gourmet" is never used to describe a fruit, vegetable or any singular raw ingredient. It's ok if you want to be hard headed about it. It's ok if you want to think that putting the word "gourmet" in front of a raw vegetable makes you feel cooler about it but the fact is, there's no such thing as a "gourmet ingredient". The word gourmet refers to a finished product or a person creating said product. No one makes salsa with gourmet onions, gourmet tomatoes, gourmet cilantro, and gourmet jalapeños. The salsa becomes "gourmet" as a finished product.

And of you ask a question on a public forum just to bait people into your stubborn point of view, don't be surprised when people become more aggressive in their willingness to help you realize you are misusing the term.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go use my gourmet eggs in my non-gourmet breakfast. :crazy:

 

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:23 AM

God damn...

It's just food, people. Imagine if this thread was about something important.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:23 AM

Is it really so upsetting that I think super hot peppers are the gourmet version of hot peppers?


Why? Because a Reaper is hotter than a Bhut Jolokia, that makes it MORE "gourmet"?
Why can't there be "gourmet" Bell Peppers? Because they have zero heat they are the opposite of "gourmet"?

You are associating "heat" with "gourmet". A "flavor profile" can be built using Bell Peppers.
And Bell Peppers can also be grown pesticide free and organically fertilized. That still doesn't make them "gourmet".

Your thought process is flawed. There are two threads and multiple people trying to explain that but you just dig your heels in.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:24 AM

God damn...

It's just food, people. Imagine if this thread was about something important.


There's stuff that's more important than food? :crazy: :rofl: :rofl:

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:28 AM

It wouldn't be the internet without someone pretending they don't get what you mean. Lol

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:30 AM

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:38 AM

No one is arguing that there is higher quality ingredients available.

There is beef and there is grass fed beef.

There are bananas and there are organic bananas.

Eggs, free range, no antibiotic eggs.

You get the idea.

The word "gourmet" is never used to describe a fruit, vegetable or any singular raw ingredient. It's ok if you want to be hard headed about it. It's ok if you want to think that putting the word "gourmet" in front of a raw vegetable makes you feel cooler about it but the fact is, there's no such thing as a "gourmet ingredient". The word gourmet refers to a finished product or a person creating said product. No one makes salsa with gourmet onions, gourmet tomatoes, gourmet cilantro, and gourmet jalapeños. The salsa becomes "gourmet" as a finished product.

And of you ask a question on a public forum just to bait people into your stubborn point of view, don't be surprised when people become more aggressive in their willingness to help you realize you are misusing the term.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go use my gourmet eggs in my non-gourmet breakfast. :crazy:

 

Would it make you feel less aggressive if I used the term "gastronomically sensational superhots"? And they are technically a fruit not a vegetable. Nonetheless, I agree that gourmet is in reference to the final product. Yet, I feel that a superhot is a gourmet ingredient. It is what I use in gourmet cooking. So there really is no reason for you to be upset about that at all. It just means that I love chile peppers that much. I want to use them always. We've already converted multiple people who would swear they do not like hot peppers. Because there is an incredible flavor to be had when it comes to gourmet superhot peppers. As well, of all the hot peppers out there, mine are the top shelf variety. No fungicides, no pesticides just deliciously plump, juicy fruits that are organically grown almost year round. So I would consider my superhot peppers the gourmet variety indeed.
 


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:46 AM


 
Would it make you feel less aggressive if I used the term "gastronomically sensational superhots"? And they are technically a fruit not a vegetable. Nonetheless, I agree that gourmet is in reference to the final product. Yet, I feel that a superhot is a gourmet ingredient. It is what I use in gourmet cooking. So there really is no reason for you to be upset about that at all. It just means that I love chile peppers that much. I want to use them always. We've already converted multiple people who would swear they do not like hot peppers. Because there is an incredible flavor to be had when it comes to gourmet superhot peppers. As well, of all the hot peppers out there, mine are the top shelf variety. No fungicides, no pesticides just deliciously plump, juicy fruits that are organically grown almost year round.

So I would consider my superhot peppers the gourmet variety indeed.

 

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I understand now. Since there's no question mark, you are just explaining it to us.

No worries.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:46 AM

I do not understand why it comes down to some folks being so rude, snarky or even downright mean sometimes? 
 
. If you do not agree with those statements it just means that you are uneducated about chicken eggs.
 
 So...I have no idea what the argument or the insults are about?

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Is it possible I may not have taste tested the two side by side making me inexperienced instead of illiterate or ignorant
 

And yes, I am fairly well versed in the English language.

 
Guess not....

The only reason I'm stopping to post is to advise your attitude & mannerisms, read that as self-righteousness, and not to get into a snake spittin' match as I've seen so many people like yourself (Referencing that link.), "Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others.".

 

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:59 AM

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Is it possible I may not have taste tested the two side by side making me inexperienced instead of illiterate or ignorant
 

 
Guess not....

The only reason I'm stopping to post is to advise your attitude & mannerisms, read that as self-righteousness, and not to get into a snake spittin' match as I've seen so many people like yourself (Referencing that link.), "Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others.".

 

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I've done nothing to indicate me being intolerant or self-righteous. I just have an opinion about hot peppers. Good grief. It seems to me that a lot of folks are just pissed for no reason then are trying to justify it somehow. Strange. But carry on.

 


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:42 AM

We like the gourmet eggs my neighbor grows for us. The bugs they eat make the yolks more orange. He charges me a dollar a dozen and we buy five dozen at the time. Our pups love them. Depending on cooked weight, they get 6 or 7 in their meals every day. The girl on a diet eats the whites. The boydog gets the yolks.



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 12:41 PM

Check out my gourmet eggs.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 12:44 PM

Now THAT is gourmet! :rofl: :rofl:

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:01 PM

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Total money shot...puts a whole new meaning to the food porn thread IMO


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:22 PM

CC, i hope this thread hasn't discouraged you, b/c i think there is a valuable lesson to be learned here....

 

I know you're making a go at selling chile-related products on a commercial level.  I have tried your sauce, and it is very good.  My wife and Los Mojones Sociedad Entusiastas de las Bicicletas also enjoyed it, as did a few innocent bystanders at the local cantina. If you're going to produce it on a large-scale and sell it, you'll need to promote it. Now, what you might be finding out here, on this thread, is that the application of the modifier noun "gourmet" to your chiles is not working out, as a marketing technique.  Maybe some ppl love it, and buy into the concept.  But, it seems like a lot of ppl despise it, with extreme passion. Do you want my advice? Just list your ingredients, and leave it up to the consumers to decide whether any of the produce in your sauces, table salsa, or meals qualify as "gourmet" or not.  

 

This thread, much like the earlier one, has quickly devolved into a linguistics discussion, which by its very nature will induce even more disagreements and arguments that, at their core, are only (at best) peripherally related to hot peppers.  You'll impress more ppl with rad pics of your aquaponics set-up, or luscious footage of your "gourmet" superhot plants, laden with delicious fruit.  Shit, I get all hot'n'bothered just watching videos of ppl putting a bunch of pods in the food processor, or hitting a pipin' hot pot of unfinished sauce with a stickblender. Very little good comes from a thread dedicated to assertions that superhots are "gourmet," followed up by several pages of "nuh-uh" and "yuh-huh."

 

If we can salvage anything from this, it might be that, right or wrong, a lot of ppl reject the entire concept.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:44 PM

I agree that gourmet doesnt work, I see the super hots as more of rare peppers. Making people believe that these arent common will motivate on a commercial level more than gourmet ever will. Theres a reason tv infomercials use the call in the next 30 min line and limited time only.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:45 PM

CC, i hope this thread hasn't discouraged you, b/c i think there is a valuable lesson to be learned here....

 

I know you're making a go at selling chile-related products on a commercial level.  I have tried your sauce, and it is very good.  My wife and Los Mojones Sociedad Entusiastas de las Bicicletas also enjoyed it, as did a few innocent bystanders at the local cantina. If you're going to produce it on a large-scale and sale it, you'll need to promote it. Now, what you might be finding out here, on this thread, is that the application of the modifier noun "gourmet" to your chiles is not working out, as a marketing technique.  Maybe some ppl love it, and buy into the concept.  But, it seems like a lot of ppl despise it, with extreme passion. Do you want my advice? Just list your ingredients, and leave it up to the consumers to decide whether any of the produce in your sauces, table salsa, or meals qualify as "gourmet" or not.  

 

This thread, much like the earlier one, has quickly devolved into a linguistics discussion, which by its very nature will induce even more disagreements and arguments that, at their core, are only (at best) peripherally related to hot peppers.  You'll impress more ppl with rad pics of your aquaponics set-up, or luscious footage of your "gourmet" superhot plants, laden with delicious fruit.  Shit, I get all hot'n'bothered just watching videos of ppl putting a bunch of pods in the food processor, or hitting a pipin' hot pot of unfinished sauce with a stickblender. Very little good comes from a thread dedicated to assertions that superhots are "gourmet," followed up by several pages of "nuh-uh" and "yuh-huh."

 

If we can salvage anything from this, it might be that, right or wrong, a lot of ppl reject the entire concept.

 

I hear you. It's actually completely ridiculous and petty to be honest. That word, which shall not be mentioned, was not the gist of the post. I was drinking whiskey last night and was thinking about what to make for our New Year party and just posted the thread on a whim with the main point being that super hot peppers belong in gourmet food. So I worded it wrong, God forbid, said the word "gourmet".

 

The only people who have ever even said a thing about it are a few folks in here. I chalk it up to too much time on their hands. For me, I make and market fresh ingredients, fresh peppers, fresh fruit, wholesome and delicious sauces. I have never made an emphasis on "gourmet" peppers (save for some of you in here). It was the fella with the egg titties that first mentioned it a while back because of a line in my video. So I explained why I believed it to be true and everyone acted like I said some inflammatory political remark. God knows, I have done it and could do that too. But I truly try to show respect to others and have no desire to create any conflict at all.

 

Anyway, all I was trying to say is that I'm proud of the chilehead community and the fact that most of us enjoy really great food. Gourmet even. I love the fact that we cook with so many chiles. And it is having an impact on our culture. So...keep up the good work and have a Happy New Year.


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