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And I thought peppers were easy to clone

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Tomatoes must be slam dunk easy. I broke the top off one of my A Grappoli D'Inverno plants when detwangling it from the others to remove it from the indoor nursery area the Friday before last. I quicklike brought it in and stuck it into a jar with a yellow scorpion branch that's been growing roots since mid-January when I cut back my OW plants.
 
Today, I pulled them to check the tomato and change the nutrient solution and found this. Haha, she gets her own jar now.
 
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Uncle_Eccoli said:
 
Tried this a few times with cayenne cuttings.  Nothing happened.  How long should it take?
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Couple weeks give or take abit
 
 
 I should add that most maters will grow alot faster then your average pepper plant and in my own experience much easier to root a cutting. I do have a couple smaller cuttings (of peppers) I will tkae some shots of when I get home in abit here for ya.
 
Uncle_Eccoli said:
What's froot mean?
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It's a type of food typically consumed by the foot.  :!:
 
Uncle_Eccoli said:
Tried this a few times with cayenne cuttings.  Nothing happened.  How long should it take?
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My understanding is that the medium has to be really damp, which is why it's often done either directly in water (the only way I've done it so far) or in rock wool. So you'd probably have to pay more attention using soil to make sure it always has enough water.
 
internationalfish said:
 
It's a type of food typically consumed by the foot.  :!:
 
 
My understanding is that the medium has to be really damp, which is why it's often done either directly in water (the only way I've done it so far) or in rock wool. So you'd probably have to pay more attention using soil to make sure it always has enough water.
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No, not that wet. Water roots are not the same as ground roots.
If you put a cutting in water it will make water roots and when you put in ground those roots will dye and new roots will have to grow.
 
here is a good way to do the cutting :
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/visual-guides/propagating-plants-by-cuttings.aspx
 
must spray several times a day if not in a mini greenhouse or plastic bag.
 
"Water roots" and "ground/soil roots" are a concept that has a very, very small Google footprint, and the resources I'm seeing aren't really supporting the idea that roots grown in water will necessarily die on transplantation (this also doesn't seem to track with the success I've had for years propagating cuttings in water and taking well when transplanted to soil).
 
Either way, that's a good-looking resource. :) Another good one on this forum is here, and another simple one from Fatalii, though both use rockwool.
 
I pulled some suckers off of a Trinidad Scorpion and decided to try to root them in vermiculite, and using a solution of apple cider vinegar and water and a little rosemary solution.  Only a couple of days so far, so I just try to keep them moist.  Used to clone alot of shrubs with perlite/vermiculite and a mister in hot weather.  Very productive.  Most of the shrubs ion my lawn are clones.
 
Chorizo857_62J said:
I pulled some suckers off of a Trinidad Scorpion and decided to try to root them in vermiculite, and using a solution of apple cider vinegar and water and a little rosemary solution. 
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Interesting; why the cider vinegar and rosemary?
 
internationalfish said:
"Water roots" and "ground/soil roots" are a concept that has a very, very small Google footprint, and the resources I'm seeing aren't really supporting the idea that roots grown in water will necessarily die on transplantation (this also doesn't seem to track with the success I've had for years propagating cuttings in water and taking well when transplanted to soil).
 
Either way, that's a good-looking resource. :) Another good one on this forum is here, and another simple one from Fatalii, though both use rockwool.
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I have been making my living for thirty years in the production and multiplication of plants. I attended several seminars given by the somities in the field of production.
 
 
 
From the Montreal Botanical Garden http://m.espacepourlavie.ca/bouturage-des-plantes-dinterieur
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Technical
Cut under a knot.
Remove the leaf from the lower node.
Plunge the base into a rooting hormone powder.
Fill a pot with a rooting mixture. Make holes with a pencil and insert the cuttings.
To prevent wilting of the cuttings, cover with clear plastic wrap.
Middle of cuttings
For plants that take root easily, a simple glass of water can be used as a cuttings medium. This method is however not the safest since the roots thus produced are fragile and not adapted to the growth in the soil. Transplant shock is therefore more important. Cutting in water is well suited to plants grown subsequently hydroponically. If you try the experiment, make sure no leaves are submerged, which will make it rot.

Previously prepared rooting mixes or commercially available peat moss potting mixes are suitable for most cuttings. If you prefer to make your own mix, use perlite, vermiculite, coarse sand or peat moss. The use of one or the mixture of two or more of these elements usually gives good results. Fill the container up to a few inches from the edge, then level and cup lightly. Watering is more difficult if the container is full. Insert the cuttings and lightly tamp the mixture around them. The first watering can be done by immersing the base of the container in water for a few minutes.
 
floricole said:
If you put a cutting in water it will make water roots and when you put in ground those roots will dye and new roots will have to grow.
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Montreal Botanical Garden said:
For plants that take root easily, a simple glass of water can be used as a cuttings medium. This method is however not the safest since the roots thus produced are fragile and not adapted to the growth in the soil. Transplant shock is therefore more important.
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This says roots grown in water are fragile and make the cutting more susceptible to transplant shock, not that they will die in soil and need to be replaced. It also says nothing about the roots being of different types or even fundamentally structurally different, only that they basically need to be hardened off for transplantation into soil.
 
If you have a source that actually backs up your claim, that'd absolutely be useful information for everyone. I'm sorry if this rubs you the wrong way professionally; perhaps you've just overstated your point.
 
internationalfish said:
 
 
This says roots grown in water are fragile and make the cutting more susceptible to transplant shock, not that they will die in soil and need to be replaced. It also says nothing about the roots being of different types or even fundamentally structurally different, only that they basically need to be hardened off for transplantation into soil.
 
If you have a source that actually backs up your claim, that'd absolutely be useful information for everyone. I'm sorry if this rubs you the wrong way professionally; perhaps you've just overstated your point.
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I can look for scientific paper but it is not in my language, here is a text from a Larry Hodgson who has many books written about horticulture
https://www.lesoleil.com/maison/horticulture/bouturage-pour-les-nuls-cf7ea56d1eaa5f00f5689ec1cfa1178b
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To avoid: cuttings in water
The following text will surprise many gardeners, as there is a long tradition in Quebec of making cuttings in a glass of water. I do not say it does not work sometimes, but usually it ends badly. The problem is that the roots produced on a cutting placed in a glass of water acclimate to an aquatic environment. When you transplant the cuttings into a pot later (and very few plants can spend their entire life in the water), the aquatic roots rot and the young plant must start from scratch producing a new batch of roots. Often she does not have enough reserves and dies. So, to ensure a good success rate, I suggest to always make your cuttings directly in a potting soil.
 
LOL. I've been cloning pepper plants by soaking branches in a jar of water for a while now. Must be some kind of miracle how the "water" roots die and the "ground" roots grow when planted in dirt. Hallelujah, I pulled it off many times over. In fact, I have quite a few of these old clones in the winter shelter right now. Funny thing is, the brand new water baby clones always set pods a lot sooner than seed babies. Go figure.
 
The douglah and scorpion clones I posted about here in the forum a couple of years ago are still doing fine.
 
I clone Vietnamese coriander in just plain water all the time. Been doing it for almost 3 years now. Transplant into a pot or ground after roots form and it hasn't failed yet. Got 6 cuttings now that have been in water all winter. Several others i put in a small pot.
 
when i search for cuttings in the water and the results of google are just sites of grandmashowyou wikihowplant and blogs I say that it is not worth reading.
  I have searched in the ipps to find the technique in the water but there is nothing, surely because it is not the best way to do
 
from Canna     http://www.canna.ca/taking_cuttings
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Rooting medium
The media for rooting should be similar to the medium that will be used for growing the cuttings in later: use an inorganic medium for inorganic systems, and an organic medium for organic systems. You must match the properties. Plants develop new roots with characteristics suited to the particular medium and the subsequent job they must do. If you are growing in potting mixes or in a soilless mix, it makes little sense to induce roots on a cutting by using a water-based rooting system. Otherwise, the plant will have to devote time and energy to converting those roots to roots that will work in the new environment, where water is scarcer than minerals. If you intend to grow your cuttings in clay pebbles, then root them in water, rock wool, or floral blocks. This will insure root compatibility from the start. Avoid sticking the cuttings in too deep - while tomatoes can handle being transplanted deep, most plants cannot. For plants that root at the node - bury the node, for plants that don’t root at the node - leave the node above the medium.
 
internationalfish said:
 
Interesting; why the cider vinegar and rosemary?
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Results on options searched on the internet for homemade rooting options.  HAS to be true......maybe.
Too lazy to go for the rootone powder.
 
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