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#1 Taj

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:33 AM

When I was last involved in this community the Butch T was just crowned king, I know that the Reaper is the current "official" king.

 

Are there any major things (developments, events) I should know about?

 

I sorted the forum by most viewed and read the threads about the Reaper in 2013 ... that was, interesting, to say the least.

 

I am curious as to what new varieties I should be looking at; especially for heat + flavour. I have just ordered a bunch of seeds from THSC that I thought were interesting from his video reviews.

 

What are Bubblegums? I understand that they bleed colour into the stem, and kind of taste sweetish but where did they come from?

 

It is a little strange being back here and reading my old posts, I am no where close to the person I was 10 years ago.

 

I am also sitting on a lot of the original (first generation) superhot seeds that I accumulated during 2009-2010, I had a habit of collecting seeds and enjoying the collection of them rather than planting them, I plan on trying to get them germinated under lights during the winter (Australia) if I can.

 

Might even start a Youtube channel or something to document the process. Would this be of interest to anyone? For nostalgia's sake of germinating old seeds?

 

Anyways, stay good, be excellent to each other.

 

It is very humbling to be back here.



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:42 AM

When I was last involved in this community the Butch T was just crowned king, I know that the Reaper is the current "official" king.
 
Are there any major things (developments, events) I should know about?
 
I sorted the forum by most viewed and read the threads about the Reaper in 2013 ... that was, interesting, to say the least.
 
I am curious as to what new varieties I should be looking at; especially for heat + flavour. I have just ordered a bunch of seeds from THSC that I thought were interesting from his video reviews.
 
What are Bubblegums? I understand that they bleed colour into the stem, and kind of taste sweetish but where did they come from?
 
It is a little strange being back here and reading my old posts, I am no where close to the person I was 10 years ago.
 
I am also sitting on a lot of the original (first generation) superhot seeds that I accumulated during 2009-2010, I had a habit of collecting seeds and enjoying the collection of them rather than planting them, I plan on trying to get them germinated under lights during the winter (Australia) if I can.
 
Might even start a Youtube channel or something to document the process. Would this be of interest to anyone? For nostalgia's sake of germinating old seeds?
 
Anyways, stay good, be excellent to each other.
 
It is very humbling to be back here.

Welcome back Taj

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:10 AM

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:17 AM

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:47 AM

a lot more money in the pepper world now. Puckerbutt is the biggest player probably. with reaper, choc bhutlah, chris' rare seed collection, etc

 

Guinness world records now requires the test to be an average heat. so it must be sampled multiple times, the variety must be stable.

This is to combat a random new crossed pepper someone tests high once changing all the time. 

But makes it a bit harder for a normal person to get the record. More tests = more $ spent. Stable variety means you must have spent years growing it.

 

dragon's breath is fake.

 

Hot Ones youtube series has helped popularize eating hot stuff.

 

thehotpepper will get a website update............ someday lol


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:57 AM

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I am also sitting on a lot of the original (first generation) superhot seeds that I accumulated during 2009-2010, I had a habit of collecting seeds and enjoying the collection of them rather than planting them, I plan on trying to get them germinated under lights during the winter (Australia) if I can.
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Hello, and welcome back. I'm too new to growing (been growing for fun/ as a hobby since 2017; started hoarding seeds and making plans in 2016) to be any real help in terms of getting you up to speed. I feel like there is such a dizzying array of SuperHots available now, many of which are questionable in terms of stability and whether or not they are actually distinct strains, that trying to keep up with any sort of hierarchy of relative heat is a fool's errand. In my opinion, anyway. There are a million different SuperHots out there that will light you up. I been trying to grow different types based on whether they look cool and whether or not ppl have enjoyed the flavor or not.

Definitely an old school choice, but my go-to come for debilitating heat that also tastes great is still Red 7Pot Brainstrain. But I've grown a bunch of different SuperHots and I find I'm more into unique and pleasant flavors plus hardy plants that produce a lot of pods. Brainstrains tend to be hardy and, although they produce late, they tend to push out a large harvest...

I really love Red 7Pot Primo. They taste awesome, heat is supposed to be higher than Brainstrains bit in my experience, the Brain hurts more... But although Primos grow well die be, I've to have a harvest from any Primo plants that can rival the Brainstrains....

I'm mostly interested in your staff of old school SuperHot seeds from a decade ago. Curious as to what you're working with, and would definitely be interested to see a video log on YouTube, especially if you linked it to a GLog on THP. Also, would be interested in getting any seeds you saved from these new efforts, bc these days, finding old school seeds can be difficult bc everyone had tried so many deliberate crosses, plus the whole open pollination thing....

Wish I could be of more help; it's good to see THP oldheads returning to the flock...

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 05:49 PM

thehotpepper will get a website update............ someday lol

 

:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

 

Welcome back again. Best of luck with your grow this season, let me know if I can be of any help.

 

Where in OZ are you?

 

Oh, and by the way, JayT quit.... :rofl:


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:01 PM

Lot's of crazy hybrids out now that are hotter then the reaper.  Growing a few i have and then a lot of old school 7 pot strains i started with or saved seeds for from the forum many moons ago.  



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Posted 15 May 2019 - 02:37 PM

Welcome back Taj. Sounds like an interesting project there with those seeds of yours and will be fun to see what happens. This spring  I started some seeds from 2010 I saved out of a couple different varieties . It is always interesting to see them come up after so long and test the limits of viability.



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Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:29 PM

When I was last involved in this community the Butch T was just crowned king, I know that the Reaper is the current "official" king.
 
Are there any major things (developments, events) I should know about?
 
I sorted the forum by most viewed and read the threads about the Reaper in 2013 ... that was, interesting, to say the least.
 
I am curious as to what new varieties I should be looking at; especially for heat + flavour. I have just ordered a bunch of seeds from THSC that I thought were interesting from his video reviews.
 
What are Bubblegums? I understand that they bleed colour into the stem, and kind of taste sweetish but where did they come from?
 
It is a little strange being back here and reading my old posts, I am no where close to the person I was 10 years ago.
 
I am also sitting on a lot of the original (first generation) superhot seeds that I accumulated during 2009-2010, I had a habit of collecting seeds and enjoying the collection of them rather than planting them, I plan on trying to get them germinated under lights during the winter (Australia) if I can.
 
Might even start a Youtube channel or something to document the process. Would this be of interest to anyone? For nostalgia's sake of germinating old seeds?
 
Anyways, stay good, be excellent to each other.
 
It is very humbling to be back here.


Welcome back!
To summarize:

- The reaper is a Primo
- Fatalii is still one of the best
- A lot of crazy, unstable crosses
- Great Habanero/Scotch Bonnet types are gaining interest (Carbonero is a bomb)

Personally I'm stepping back to the old fashioned varieties, both for superhot and mild/sweet peppers.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:57 PM

Taj, I've been away from THP for a few years, as well, but I haven't stopped growing in all that time...I do love to get nostalgic for my early days on THP, and I miss some of the guys that helped me through those formative years but don't seem to be around here any more: wayright, capsidadburn, spicegeist, romy6, and alabama jack, to name just a few. What a great bunch of guys, without whom I would not be the grower I am today...

 

I have to second what so many said about trying to chase the insane proliferation of unstable crosses. I had a horse in the "super hot arms race" for a few years myself, but finally realized the folly of it, as Bicycle808 mentioned above. Now I grow a grand total of three varieties of super hot, and all the rest are Capsicum annuum.

 

You still can't go wrong with the 7 Pot Primo. The recent generations of Troy's wonderful pepper grow into massive, pod-laden trees, and the fruit stays fresh on the plants for weeks. And if you don't mind the perceived "bitterness" of the ButchT Scorpion, that is one of the most damnably robust and productive plants one can grow in the hot and dirty South. They are so strong and vigorous that it's almost like growing poke weed....One other super hot that should get more attention is Matthew Arthur's Wartryx, a stable, firm-fleshed, bonnet-shaped red pepper, the origin of which is known only to Matthew's bees. It does very well in full sun here in Louisiana, has excellent flavor and a clean, sharp burn. The plants present much like Scotch Bonnets, with the straight stalks and large, dark green, dimply leaves. It's a very pretty, almost ornamental plant.

 

I eat Primo Pepper every day, like a good Louisiana boy, but for me nothing rivals the deep, rich umami of New Mexico Chile, a.k.a. "Hatch Chile." It takes far more of it to get the same heat levels as a half pod or so of Primo Pepper, so one must grow, harvest, process, and eat massive quantities of maddeningly delicious chile to achieve the same effect. Problem? not for me! One day I mean to bleed green chile!


Edited by windchicken, 16 May 2019 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:12 PM

dragon's breath is fake.

 

I heard this name through some videos and a podcast, what is the story regarding this one?

 

 

thehotpepper will get a website update............ someday lol

 

It is actually pretty cool. I said to my wife, absolutely nothing has changed (in terms of the website) in 10 years. It is very nostalgic.



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:18 PM

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:23 PM

I'm mostly interested in your staff of old school SuperHot seeds from a decade ago. Curious as to what you're working with, and would definitely be interested to see a video log on YouTube, especially if you linked it to a GLog on THP. Also, would be interested in getting any seeds you saved from these new efforts, bc these days, finding old school seeds can be difficult bc everyone had tried so many deliberate crosses, plus the whole open pollination thing....

 

I have the original brain strain seeds from Cappy, off the original plant. Those seeds for me personally are the ones I am most interested in, they were given to me from a mate who got them from Cappy after the ones Cappy sent me got taken out by a series of unfortunate events (fungus, rot etc). I only have a few (maybe like 5 or 6?) but it would be interesting to see how they would fair vs the current brain strains.

 

It is after this happened that I learnt only to plant half my seeds at a time which is why I have so much stock left now.

 

The fear I had coming back into the community is that everything would become hybridized (not necessarily a bad thing) over time and the "true" strains would be long forgotten. But are my seeds worth any more or less than your seeds if they are both brain strains, both have similar heat and taste levels? It is interesting situation to think about because unless they come from the same breeder's single plant, then they will diverge genetic pathways over time anyways. 

 

I haven't made a list, but I do have the original nagas (Bhut, Bih, Naga Jolokia etc) from CPI. As well as the original scorps & 7pods, as well as brainstrain from cappy etc. I imported seeds from all over the world whilst I was collecting, some are from THSC, some from CPI, some from the UK and some from the US.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:27 PM

Where in OZ are you?

 

Oh, and by the way, JayT quit.... :rofl:

 

Perth mate. Why did JayT quit?



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:38 PM

- The reaper is a Primo
- Fatalii is still one of the best
- A lot of crazy, unstable crosses
- Great Habanero/Scotch Bonnet types are gaining interest (Carbonero is a bomb)

 

I never understood how they could have crossbred the two chillis they claimed they did and stabilize it in that short of a time without using one closer to (at least physically) the end product. From the calculations I was doing in my head, 2 years would be the shortest time you could stabilize a chilli to F8, grown year round under lights and hydroponically (for the speed). Maybe, 18 months if you got really lucky with germination times and early flowering plants, but from memory back then, Superhots could take up to 40 days to germinate, even with a heat mat. What you stated would not surprise me.

 

Fatalii I always felt was an underrated chilli, I think that it holds a very special place in our world. That is one I am looking forward to growing again.

 

I always loved hybrids and I was always up for planting any that people sent me just to see what would happen. I really would like to get into my own cross breeding, but as a separate activity from keeping my current genetics intact. I have some ideas in my head of crosses I think would be interesting, not necessarily for the heat race, but rather just having a really nice to eat chilli that I myself would enjoy.

 

I have never been a big fan of Habaneros due to the lingering burn, and always preferred the much faster but intense burn of the superhots. I will have to add that to my list of chillis to look into, thank you mate.



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:49 PM

You still can't go wrong with the 7 Pot Primo. The recent generations of Troy's wonderful pepper grow into massive, pod-laden trees, and the fruit stays fresh on the plants for weeks. And if you don't mind the perceived "bitterness" of the ButchT Scorpion, that is one of the most damnably robust and productive plants one can grow in the hot and dirty South. They are so strong and vigorous that it's almost like growing poke weed....One other super hot that should get more attention is Matthew Arthur's Wartryx, a stable, firm-fleshed, bonnet-shaped red pepper, the origin of which is known only to Matthew's bees. It does very well in full sun here in Louisiana, has excellent flavor and a clean, sharp burn. The plants present much like Scotch Bonnets, with the straight stalks and large, dark green, dimply leaves. It's a very pretty, almost ornamental plant.

 

I have ordered the Wartryx from THSC, it looked far too beautiful and different to pass over and watching THSC's video, it made me fall in love with it.

 

I do not believe I have Primo seeds (I might though), nor have I ordered them in but I know of them well. Back in the day I focused my efforts on other varieties, though I wouldn't mind doing a small chilli tour the next time I am in the USA, as I need to go see a mate in Louisiana anyways. I lived in rural Louisiana (Ethel/Slaughter) for about 3 months and I find culture wise, it is very similar to being in Australia, much more so than say LA. Everyone was very kind to me, it was a very good experience ... the local Walmart stocking only a few Watermelons and Bananas as the only fresh fruit, not so much though, could only get anything else in a can ...



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Posted 17 May 2019 - 06:39 AM

The Dragon's Breath is not a fake, but may not be what it is claimed to be. See this website for a good explanation of this controversial pepper.

 

 

I heard this name through some videos and a podcast, what is the story regarding this one?

 

 

It is actually pretty cool. I said to my wife, absolutely nothing has changed (in terms of the website) in 10 years. It is very nostalgic.

 


Edited by midwestchilehead, 17 May 2019 - 06:40 AM.

Calvin's 2.0 powder, New Mexico chile seeds, other varieties and some superhots! Grow your own and taste the difference!
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 11:53 AM

 

I have ordered the Wartryx from THSC, it looked far too beautiful and different to pass over and watching THSC's video, it made me fall in love with it.

 

I do not believe I have Primo seeds (I might though), nor have I ordered them in but I know of them well. Back in the day I focused my efforts on other varieties, though I wouldn't mind doing a small chilli tour the next time I am in the USA, as I need to go see a mate in Louisiana anyways. I lived in rural Louisiana (Ethel/Slaughter) for about 3 months and I find culture wise, it is very similar to being in Australia, much more so than say LA. Everyone was very kind to me, it was a very good experience ... the local Walmart stocking only a few Watermelons and Bananas as the only fresh fruit, not so much though, could only get anything else in a can ...

 

Ah, the Florida Parishes! I love that part of Louisiana...I was down there for a retreat just a couple of weeks ago...Wonderful soil and so much rainfall! And, yes, the people are so very kind...

 

You will definitely not regret growing the Wartryx! Also, I have pure isolated Primo seed from Troy himself, if you'd like some...

 

Gary

 

Here's a video of my Wartryx plants from a couple years back:

 


Edited by windchicken, 17 May 2019 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 18 May 2019 - 03:25 AM

 

Perth mate. Why did JayT quit?

 

On the other side of the bloody continent..... :banghead: ....lol.

 

JayT didn't quit (as far as anyone knows), he just takes a hiatus from time to time. It's an running joke.


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