For those who use Neem..

I have decided to switch off of my Dr. Bronners bottle, for the sake of experimentation. It's such a discussion all the time about soap vs detergent, how much, etc, etc, etc.  There are 2 products that I've found on Amazon, and bought.  Both are certified organic (if one cares about such things) and are probably a thousand times more effective than soap.   There are pros and cons to using both.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HPQXVIK/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002I5XCK/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
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Both of these products also have potential for reducing the hydrophobic nature of things like peat, and un-aged pine bark.  
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If anyone has any experience with these products, please weigh in.  I'm most interested in this route, because it's easy, efficient, and does not have the same pH as the soap mix. (which can be on the high side for soil drench applications)

Seems like both products get good reviews.
 
I noticed that the first product says it lowers ph.  One of the reviews said;
 
"It seems to work okay but I'd rather have something with a neutral PH. This stuff is rather low on the PH scale and needs to be adjusted if you want your PH to be in the right range."
 
I'd be curious to know how much it lowers ph.  Our well water is already extremely low.
 
 

If your water is already low, you should probably stick with the soap.  Neem is also fairly low pH.  This is why it's good to have this versatility.  Makes me wonder if one or the other would be better for people in certain areas.  I could see using whatever counters the pH of the media, and letting the media be the buffer.