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#1 POTAWIE

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:01 AM

I'm thinking of doing a small chicken on the smoker today or tomorrow, and I was just wondering how some of the you "heavy smokers" do your whole chicken. I have this creole butter with an injector that's been sitting around in the cupboard for a while, so I may try that out but am also considering soaking it in a brine. I usually have good success with smoking chicken, but am really looking for some new ideas so please share your recipes or comments. Also if you have a favorite "tried & tested" dry rub recipes, please post. I'm usually a "pinch or this, pinch of that" kind of cook and am really trying to be more discipline in measurments and recording. Maybe I just need to start drinking after my prep-work is done:)
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:32 AM

Brine and inject.

The brine does more than marinate, it tenderizes and improves moisture retention.

The subsequent injection would therefore need far less salt, but can impart flavor much deeper into the meat.

Let us know how it goes!!

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:32 AM

I agree. I have had them done both ways, but I think the combo would be great. As for a rub, I use one with garlic powder, onion powder, white pepper, chile powder (I have a combo of chipotle, cayenne, ancho, and habanero), thyme, sea salt, mustard powder, all spice, and brown sugar. Good luck whatever you decide to do.
 

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 12:02 PM

Brine and inject.

The brine does more than marinate, it tenderizes and improves moisture retention.

The subsequent injection would therefore need far less salt, but can impart flavor much deeper into the meat.

Let us know how it goes!!


I agree. I have had them done both ways, but I think the combo would be great. As for a rub, I use one with garlic powder, onion powder, white pepper, chile powder (I have a combo of chipotle, cayenne, ancho, and habanero), thyme, sea salt, mustard powder, all spice, and brown sugar. Good luck whatever you decide to do.



I concurr.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 12:48 PM

And so having spoken, the Blue one departs.....

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 03:39 PM

i just used that same injection in a pork loin. i found the butter taste to be artifical. be careful not to use too much of it.

i brine all my poultry. at the present moment i have a yard bird marinating that i injected with marinade/brine. peach juice,salt,spices.

spatchcock chicken tonight on the grill, i will be using a apricot bbq sauce at the end of the cook.

as others have said, brining is great for keep the moisture in the bird. i even brine my holiday turkeys for regular oven cooking. you can over cook a brined bird and it will still be juicy.

heres some TNT rubs and marinates etc

Poultry Rub
3/4 cup Hungarian paprika
1/4 cup black pepper -- freshly ground
1/4 cup celery salt
1/4 cup sugar
2 tablespoons onion powder
2 tablespoons dry mustard
2 teaspoons cayenne
2 tablespoons zest from 3 to 4 lemons, dried and minced
Mix ingredients in a bowl. Store in a tightly sealed jar in a cool dark place.

Spicy Lime Marinade for Chicken
1/4 cup of apple juice
1/4 cup of fresh lime juice
1 1/2 tablespoon of red chili pepper paste
1 tablespoon white wine vinegar
1 tablespoon paprika

mix all ingredients together.
Marinade overnight or 4-7 hours

Cajun Marinade (For Injection)
2 tablespoons Hungarian paprika
1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon white pepper
1 tablespoon granulated garlic
1 tablespoon ground passilla chile
2 teaspoons dry mustard
1 teaspoon roasted and ground cumin
1/2 teaspoon thyme
1/2 teaspoon oregano
1 1/2 tablespoons kosher salt
3 tablespoons cayenne pepper sauce
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1/4 cup cider vinegar
12 ounces chicken stock
12 ounces beer

Place the dry ingredients in a clean coffee grinder and grind until very fine. Place the liquid ingredients in a small saucepan and add the ground dry ingredients. Bring to a boil. When it comes to a boil, remove from heat and let cool completely . Using a syringe with a large needle, inject the turkey every inch or so. Do this 24 hours before cooking. After 24 hours you can cook the turkey how you like, deep fried, smoked, roasted, etc. I think the deep fry method is best suited for this marinade.

Chicken Marinade
1/2 cup Soy sauce
1/4 cup Vegetable oil
1/4 cup Red wine vinegar
1 teaspoon Oregano
1/2 teaspoon Sweet Basil
1/2 teaspoon Garlic powder with parsley
1/4 teaspoon Black pepper

Combine all ingredients. Pour over chicken pieces in a non-metal dish. Cover and refrigerate overnight, turning pieces occasionally. Use marinade to baste chicken while barbecuing.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:26 PM

:lol:

DAMN BAM.

Thanks for sharing!

I too brine the TGiving Turkey...

Due to the freaking YUM of it, we now do turkey 3-4 times a year.

TURKEY!! IT's NOT JUST FOR HOLIDAYS ANYMORE!!!!!!!;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 02:27 PM

I concur, thanks for sharing Bam. Will have to try them.
 

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 04:10 PM

You can never go wrong with brining. If you want some extra moisture during the smoke, you can always violate the bird with a beer can as well to steam the inside...

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:58 AM

I like brined and injection, but my favorite by far is drunken chicken. Basically you pick up a stand that's made to hold a beer can and you put the chicken standing up on the stand and smoke. You first cut the top off of the beer can and drink about half of the beer and add your season / flavor to the can. As you smoke the bird the mix in the can heats up and literally steams the bird from the inside out. I usually stuff the neck area with orange / lemon so it makes a good seal on the top. Depending on what type of flavor your looking for you can get light beer, dark beer, sweet beer etc. You can also put fresh herbs and or JD in the can to add extra flavor. One of my favorites is red nectar beer, a little JD, some honey, and a tablespoon of 5 spice. I usually mix up the ingredients first microwave them until hot, then rub it over the bird and put the rest into the can for a long smoke ahead. I usually smoke birds at a lower temp say around 200 for about 3 hours. Since the can keeps constant steam on the bird it's also juicy and never dry.

Here is a pic of 2 birds on stands about to come off the grill.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:01 PM

I'm from the "always brine a bird" school of thought. That's really the only constant, other than that just make it up as I go along based on what I'm in the mood for.

And damn all of you and your smokers, mine is being neglected in my parent's garage. Stupid apartment.

Sobriety certainly is good, i try to save it for special occasions though.


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Posted 15 April 2009 - 05:55 PM

no balcony?....lol

if not, its time to go cook for the parents..lol

any excuse will to do for some Q..lol

I'm from the "always brine a bird" school of thought. That's really the only constant, other than that just make it up as I go along based on what I'm in the mood for.

And damn all of you and your smokers, mine is being neglected in my parent's garage. Stupid apartment.


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Posted 16 April 2009 - 06:17 AM

Wow Bam... those sound great!!!!! You keep givin up your recipes you not gonna have any secrets left!! LOL....I will have to try those...

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 11:40 AM

no balcony?....lol

if not, its time to go cook for the parents..lol

any excuse will to do for some Q..lol


Fire ordinance prevents using grills, smokers, etc within x number of feet from residence. Can't remember the exact # but my only option would be smack in center of parking lot ;)

I can make some ridiculous steak, burgers, and ribs inside that will rival anything off a grill.... Only downside is all my clothes/apartment smells like steak for a few days. Which is totally worth it.

Sobriety certainly is good, i try to save it for special occasions though.


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Posted 16 April 2009 - 02:24 PM

hey bam,

how are the seeds coming along ?

thanks for the recipe, will def be giving that a go...

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 02:26 PM

I like brined and injection, but my favorite by far is drunken chicken. Basically you pick up a stand that's made to hold a beer can and you put the chicken standing up on the stand and smoke. You first cut the top off of the beer can and drink about half of the beer and add your season / flavor to the can. As you smoke the bird the mix in the can heats up and literally steams the bird from the inside out. I usually stuff the neck area with orange / lemon so it makes a good seal on the top. Depending on what type of flavor your looking for you can get light beer, dark beer, sweet beer etc. You can also put fresh herbs and or JD in the can to add extra flavor. One of my favorites is red nectar beer, a little JD, some honey, and a tablespoon of 5 spice. I usually mix up the ingredients first microwave them until hot, then rub it over the bird and put the rest into the can for a long smoke ahead. I usually smoke birds at a lower temp say around 200 for about 3 hours. Since the can keeps constant steam on the bird it's also juicy and never dry.

Here is a pic of 2 birds on stands about to come off the grill.

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i had the beer can chicken thingy last year for the first time... and i have to tell you that it was the best bird i have ever had... its the only way to cook a bird IMO if you have the time..:mouthonfire:

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 04:02 PM

they are coming along good. we had an unexpected move so things go delayed a bit. will post pics when they get further on.

i just smoked some habs w/ cherry/alder that i am going to make a hot sauce out of. you will be gettting one of those as soon as i can find some caps for my woozies.

hey bam,

how are the seeds coming along ?

thanks for the recipe, will def be giving that a go...


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Posted 16 April 2009 - 04:02 PM

Wow Bam... those sound great!!!!! You keep givin up your recipes you not gonna have any secrets left!! LOL....I will have to try those...


i have a few TNT trade secret recipes that i wont give up..lol
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 04:27 PM

i had the beer can chicken thingy last year for the first time... and i have to tell you that it was the best bird i have ever had... its the only way to cook a bird IMO if you have the time..;)


Yeah I almost always beer can my chickens. The only thing I haven't tried yet is putting the bird in an overnight brine before I beer can and smoke it. Not sure if it will help or not. We shall see one day! :lol:

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 09:38 PM

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those birds look great, so do those steaks! I'll take the steak on the right :P:drooling:




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