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#1648621 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on Yesterday, 08:49 PM

I started building a new shit sandwich to serve to the garden the next year. I actually started it three weeks ago with the grass clippings from the far front yard, horse poo and the last of my conveniently procured oak leaves for the year.


I let the grass go three weeks before cutting it yesterday and scored a big pile of stuff. About 2 yards of very finely chopped hay. I mow and throw to the middle so it's cut and recut many times over. Made for a big pile. My fertilizer guy Cadi eats his fill but that's only fair since he provides the rest of the mixture. I think it will make some good compost. The pile appears to be blessed by light beams from above :surprised:



#1648618 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on Yesterday, 08:42 PM

Just like trimming the hedges... ;)


Incredible growth there buddy!


The aerial growth shot from this week looks nicer with some air between the rows. I considered bringing out a hedge trimmer but did it the old fashioned way with shears. This will be yet another ongoing addition to my picking routine. Pick a pod, pull a weed, trim a branch. Will only thicken the impenetrable mass and make picking even more difficult but at least I'll be able to move through there without breaking stuff.



#1648616 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on Yesterday, 08:36 PM


Damn, like the lowlands of the 'Nam...Watch for Mr. Two-Step....hangin' in the canopy....


No Mr. Two-Step around here but I definitely watch for Mr Eastern Diamondback. I've never seen one of them up a tree but I know they climb. One was up in the rafters in an open pole barn and fell onto the windshield of one of my cars. Screwed him up bigtime. He had a prolapsed cloaca, went septic and died before  I could find a vet (or anyone else) who had the stones to help me fix him. I was at least one hand short for doing the job of tubing him, holding him, stuffing his insides back inside and putting in a stitch. A shame.

#1648397 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on 16 August 2019 - 11:24 AM

I'm clearing the jungle roads. Slow because it rains everyday but I'm getting there.


I put a lot of plant on the floor this morning. Gotta get that out and shred it for the compost.



#1648121 SKULLBIKERS 2019 Container and Kratky GLOG

Posted by DWB on 14 August 2019 - 07:44 PM

Sorry you're out of plants but I'm happy the moving is finished and you're safe and secure.

#1647721 BDASPNY’s 2019 GLOG

Posted by DWB on 12 August 2019 - 09:42 AM

Those "fatalii" do look wicked. A lot of oil in there.

#1647475 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on 10 August 2019 - 06:51 PM

We decided to try one of the butternut squash to see how they're coming along. I picked one with a nice dry stem.




I whacked it in two and the smell was heavenly. I saved the seeds while my wife roasted it. I almost blew it on this shot. Too anxious to get it in the bowl with the butter, brown sugar, salt and pepper.




I did blow it on the money shot but this will give you an idea of how delicious this thing was. At least I remembered the last picture before I finished it off.



#1647446 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on 10 August 2019 - 03:06 PM

Naked plants. Lets see how they like the full sun. Shade cloth is now removed for the duration and that was a job. The strings and cloth were all twangled up in the plants. I tried to minimize the damage but really, I can't even crawl around in there without tearing up stuff. It's like a 1000 ft² uniplant. I wonder if I should prune back to create some walkway working space? Although it's still making major poddage at ground level, pretty soon the huge action is gonna be at mid level and above. There's major flowering going on up high.



#1647440 2019 Hay Bale Pepper Patch

Posted by DWB on 10 August 2019 - 02:28 PM

I also just read the first 20 pages, wow some great work here DWB.





Also, is that a Moluccan Lory that I spot in the top right?



Good eye Spork. I never saw that bird when I took the picture or looked at it ever since. It looks like a cardinal. We have a lot of them around here.


Thanks for the kind words.

#1647171 BDASPNY’s 2019 GLOG

Posted by DWB on 08 August 2019 - 08:59 PM


I've been getting a lot of similar damage.  I haven't found the culprit yet either.


I'm not even sure if something is eating its way in, or if something hatched inside and is eating its way out.

I've run across some references to something called a pepper weevil, which sounds like it might fit the profile.  But I haven't caught one in the act yet.


Funny, I found this damaged pepper on the ground today. Looks pretty much the same but older damage.



Hey DontPanic, you think these may be pepper weevils? I found some of these on poke sallet late in May. I never saw any in my garden but that poke sallet seemed to be the epicenter of my armyworm infestation.



#1647163 CaneDog 2019 Hirsute Pursuit – Rocotos, Wilds & Moar

Posted by DWB on 08 August 2019 - 07:52 PM


Yeah, I hate losing those old good varieties that I remember did so well.  Never intend to let it happen, but the growing gets so busy at certain times together with everything else it just seems to happen.  Good that you have those seeds and hopefully they produce another winner.


I'm going to be watching your glog to see what the patch looks like when you pull the shade cloth.  If you could somehow get an aerial type shot...


I started removing the shade cloth today. One thing is for certain, it will never be any easier than it is right now and the longer I wait, the more damage I'll do to the plants. Man, I found pods that started growing through the shade cloth  when they were small and now they're big pods on the wrong side.


Should I bring out a bigger ladder for the aerial shot or do you want me call google and tell them to get a pic from the satellite? The one they have in Google Earth last time I looked was shortly after I laid down the bales.


I guess I better start unbagging my iso plants if I want to save the bags. This one is getting kinda tight.



#1647131 Do Bushy Plants Retard Pepper Maturity?

Posted by DWB on 08 August 2019 - 05:11 PM

No secrets. I've documented every bit of it here.


#1646959 CaneDog 2019 Hirsute Pursuit – Rocotos, Wilds & Moar

Posted by DWB on 07 August 2019 - 09:06 PM

So wait, I think I got mixed up and this is even weirder than I first thought.  It sounds like the plant was started in Nov 2016 then produced yellow pods in 2017 and 2018, but now it's producing red pods in 2019?!  And you took a cutting from it in Jan 2019 that is currently producing a yellow pod?  Is that the situation?  That definitely doesn't make any sense. You know, the logical thing would be plant mix-up, especially with the taste and heat differences and what-not, but I hear you saying "no way" on that.  Just weird stuff.  Can't think of any other logical way that would have happened.  I can tell you this though, I've had some weird stuff happen before too and sometimes I remember later and it makes sense and sometimes it just goes in the WTH file to be a mystery forever.


So, for the tulle, I have 48" and was using duct/gorilla type tape with glue and staples and it's just too heavy.  At 48" it's also kinda tight to get around plants. I made a little structure to rotate a few plants through, but mainly i'm just using the "million monkeys" method with the 4x6 organza bags and repeating attempts until something takes. I might try the glue method. I'd just have to run the tulle the other way so I can get a wider diameter and stick with plants < 48" so it covers..


Hey, one other question for you.  How do you get your cuttings to root so well?  I have always struggled with pepper cuttings.


I just drop cuttings into a pitcher of water and wait for the roots. Sometimes it takes a long time. I change the water every week or so and just leave them in the windowsill all winter.


Yes, this stuff is weird as a $17 bill with a trumpy picture on the front. I started the yellow scorpion plant from seed Nov 2016. It produced the same UFO looking yellow peppers through 2017 and 2018. I cloned a cutting off the plant when I hacked all my plants mid-January and downsized the pots so they'd all fit in the hillbilly winter shelter. The clone grew roots, flowers and small yellow pods and was ready to rock and roll. Unfortunately, I was getting burned out with planting around about mid- April and rather than taking proper care, I simply dropped it into one of the new hay bales I hauled in to use in the isolation area and a garden annex. The yellow scorpion, three sharpei, two douglah and a fatalii keeled over with the pythium root rot that apparently came in these bales.


None of that hurt me bad at the time but now I am very sad that I've lost my yellow unless the old OW decides to come back to the right side of life. I do still have seeds from the same pod that gave me the Nov 2016 start so I guess I'll start over again next year.


My OW plants are all goofed up this year. My 2015 model reaper that gave me the very cool "bad girl" pod is coming back huge this year but still hasn't popped a flower. Usually by this time of year that plant is producing like there's no tomorrow.



#1646932 CaneDog 2019 Hirsute Pursuit – Rocotos, Wilds & Moar

Posted by DWB on 07 August 2019 - 07:15 PM

Well, that worked. Here's the rest... I hope.


The link leads back to the April story about the transplanting here on THP.


No, the red peppers off this plant are hugely different from the yellows. The yellows were fruity, sweet and delicious. Plenty hot. Maybe like an 800k snacking pepper and wonderful sliced up on a salad or sandwich. The red off this plant is violently hot. I ate a piece off the bottom about the size of my little fingernail and it hurt me. Very hot with the typical flowery scorpion taste. I think at least 500-600k hotter than the yellows  were. More like meh, just another redhot.

I have 54" tulle. I cut the stuff to length, fold in half, mate the long edges, fold over by a half inch or so, stretch and weight to immobilize and squirt a large bead of hot glue from end to end. Move my weights and glue those places. Same across the top. I'm kinda surprised but the seams are holding up well even with some of the plants trying their best to grow their way out of the bags.

#1646931 CaneDog 2019 Hirsute Pursuit – Rocotos, Wilds & Moar

Posted by DWB on 07 August 2019 - 07:15 PM



Jeez, DWB.  How about an easy one next time?  My first reaction is to say I don’t think this can occur without the introduction of new genetic material. However, it's harder to prove things can't happen, so I’ll think it through more and maybe lay out my understanding of the genetics in better detail when I have a little more time.  This is a really good question to think through the related genetics and hopefully understand them better.
Here’s my quickie answer.  The reason I tend to think it can’t occur in a controlled self-pollination scenario is that a red-pod pepper requires either 1 or 2 dominant alleles at each genetic location that controls (carotenoid-based) mature fruit color. To have a yellow requires 2 recessive genes at one of the locations – the “y” locus.  Once you have identical recessive genes on the “y” locus, there’s no way to get a dominant "red" gene/allele on the “y” locus again so it shouldn’t be possible to get a true red pod without new genetic material contributing a dominant allele at the “y” locus.
A little more detail - and if anyone wants to contribute to the discussion jump right in. A dominant red allele can hide a recessive "yellow" allele that can appear later, because if there’s both a dominant red and a recessive yellow allele at the “y” loci the pod will show red (this would be an “unstable” red pod that you’d grow out to F9 or so to make it highly likely that no recessive allele were hiding). That plant would be able to self-pollinate in the future and pair up 2 recessive yellow alleles because it has the recessive yellow allele in its genetic code.  Because both alleles must be recessive at the “y” allele to cause a yellow pod, there’s never going to be a red allele “hiding” in the genetic code to appear in a future generation.  There’s no way to “hide” a dominant allele.  This is why when you select for recessive phenotype(s) your plant can be stable at F2.   If even 1 dominant red existed at the “y” locus, it would cause the pod to be red and you'd see that you weren't yet stable. 
This is a bit of a simplification because there are multiple genetic loci controlling carotenoid-based mature pod color - there aren't actually "red" and "yellow" alleles - but it’s probably good for the basics.
Great looking pods by the way.  How is the flavor with the red pods?  Is it good?  Is it at all similar?  Is the heat similar?  Also, I like the full plant bags and bought a bolt of 48" wide tulle for building them, but I'm not finding a great method for taping/gluing them into shape.  Can you share how you do it?



Thanks for your help with trying to figure this out. It's been driving me bugshit since I watched the first iso pod, and every one thereafter, go straight to red.  No comprendé. The only logical answer is it's impossible, but there it is.


I remembered something else. When I did all the cutting back on the OW plants in January, I cut a special branch off the yellow scorpion to bring in the house and clone rather than put it in the 5 gal ripening buckets with all the other trimmings. As they always do, the cutting did well in the south kitchen window where it spent the winter growing roots and flowers and tiny pods.


Here it is getting ready to be planted. See the lil yellow pod? Click to enbiggen a whole bunch. It's definitely a scorpion.




Ah jeez, the old post failure go to forum index just hit me again. Saved by the auto save. Try again after a CTRL-C and now try splitting the post in two parts.