Posted by cloudhand
on 08 September 2017 - 01:19 PM
I am sad to report that my chunpepe plant will not produce any pods this year. It actually stopped growing in June and hasn't progressed any since... very strange. It is good to see that yours is producing. Let us know how the pods turn out.
Edit: any pics of the 7JPN x Moruga F5?
Not to derail this chunpepe thread too much, but actually after looking up my notes... the plant I have this year is an overwintered F4, not an F5. The F5 seeds I saved from last year turned out to be nonviable for some reason (most likely due to selected pod not being ripe enough.... timing issue with frost). Anyway, here are 2 pics of my plant from several weeks ago.
I got mine from Nigel. Didn't know they were crossed. They tasted so good. That's unfortunate, but it might be worth stabilizing. Were your pods also erect?
No, like Zackorz, the pods on my plant started erect but ended up being too large to stay erect. I sent Zackorz some of the original seeds you sent me (which apparently are an F1 cross) as well as some of the F2 seeds from my plant. Last year he had some very nice phenotypes.
I did not try regrowing from the F2 seeds due to limited grow space and being cut from the grow list (too many other varieties to try).
By the way, I am still selectively growing out your 7JPN x Moruga cross and have a very nice pheno that has dark leaves and almost black pods that ripen to red. It is currently at F5. The plant is gorgeous and the pods are very good... both fresh and in powder form... definitely one of my favorite peppers.
They were erect, but turned as they are getting bigger.
Im curious about this years fruits.
It took a long time for my plant to get the first flower and i wonder if it will fall off or the first fruit will set.
Are you talking about the cross or the USDA chunpepe seeds I sent you last year. This year I started 4 plants from the USDA seeds. 1 was culled early on because it was way behind the other seedlings. I gave 2 away to coworkers and kept 1 (the largest). After hardening and planting out in late May, it stopped growing and has not gotten any bigger than it was at the end of May. For what ever reason it is not growing and has not even begun flowering. All of my other plants have set pods and some even have ripe pods on them. My coworkers have reported back last week that their chunpepe plants are similar to mine... not growing and not flowering yet. If it is still alive at the end of the season, I will over winter it... but it is unlikely to produce any pods this year at the rate it is going... I'm hoping it will kick in and take off soon...
I agree with the Brazilian Starfish... an awesome pepper... but it does not have the chinense flavor profile.
2 peppers come to mind for a lower heat habanero with strong chinense flavor.
Galapagos Island Habanero - a red habanero, thick walls, great habanero flavor, about half the heat of a standard habanero.
Habanero Mayan/Maya Habanero/Maya Red Habanero - this pepper is most likely a cross between a cayenne and a habanero. Has less heat than a standard habanero with an interesting flavor profile... not as strong of a habanero/chinense flavor, but still pretty good flavor.
I would recommend an Aleppo pepper to satisfy your #4 point.
I don't think I have had any red pods that I would consider having the same earthy flavor as some of the brown pods.
With that said, I have grown the red pheno version of the Douglah the past 3 seasons and I think it is fantastic! To me the flavor is not similar to the brown as it is missing that earthiness of the brown, but I do agree it is one of the most savory of the red pods. It is blazing hot and has a very complex, rich, pure flavor without any bitterness. I like it better than the red brain strain or moruga scorpion, and depending on the day better than the primo. The powder I make from the pods is one of my favorites!
The Albanian Red Hot is OK... I grew it last year and wasn't that impressed with it. I like the Aleppo far better. The heirloom version from Fords is fantastic!
To me one of the most smokey, savory, and maybe even a bit earthy of the red pods is the pequin. Heat wise they are not habanero hot, but still produce quite a punch. The tepins that I have grown are maybe a bit hotter than the pequin, but do not have as rich of a smokey flavor.
Maybe mixing pequins with the Douglah red will get you close to what you are looking for? I have seeds for both if interested.
Posted by cloudhand
on 21 February 2017 - 12:59 PM
I tried growing them a few years ago but it turned out that the seeds were crossed with a chinense. Another member here, Zackorz, tipped me off to the USDA seed bank which had them in stock. I sent him some of the seeds and we are both growing them this year. I'm expecting better results this year... the seeds should not be crossed.
Posted by cloudhand
on 07 February 2017 - 08:59 AM
Tom, I sent you a few pods of the Chuck Norris Moruga at the end of last season in a box of pods and seeds. I purchased the seeds from the Hippy Seed Company. Personally I think this is a hybrid. Every pod on the plant was different in shape and size, no consistency what so ever. Compared to my TSMs, there are some significant differences other than shape and size that makes me think this is a hybrid. The aroma is not the same as the standard TSM, but more importantly how this thing hits is much different. The Chuck Norris Moruga hits hard and fast, whereas the TSMs I have grown the past 4 years have a delayed hit that gradually builds up to a very high level. CNMs are quite hot, maybe more so than the standard TSM, but how they hit and taste leads me to believe they are likely a cross with something. To me they are more similar to a brain strain than a moruga scorpion.
Posted by cloudhand
on 07 February 2017 - 08:49 AM
West Indies is currently my favorite hab and is nothing like the red savina, at least in my experience. The West Indies hab is larger in size, is not shaped the same, has thinner walls, is more aromatic, has a more complex and better flavor (in my opinion), and is at least as hot (if not more) than the red savina. If I had to choose one, it would be the West Indies. I am growing the CARDI version this year to see how it compares with the version I had last year.