The Hot Pepper

For those that don't work in petrochem industry, you should know that more Chinese made pipe here fails catastrophically than any other foreign made pipe.

Jeff, The quality standard of work is greater for applications involving Silver Solder & strong soldered joints. Same thing with welding. The weld tests for Level 1, 2, 3 practical application & inspections are much more difficult to pass in the united states. I had two welders come here from Russia who couldn't pass basic weld tests, but had full time gigs in Russia. The tests are more intense. Is that the case everytime? No.

Heckle, they have a greater % of...

I do agree with that^ It's true, to a point. That things have value is inherent. How highly they're valued is variable

Inherent value = A value that is permanently tied to an object. How to view it is tied to your perception of said object. Therefore it's value changes with your perception. Perception is everything.

If there was 1 dollar in the world. Is the dollar menu still a good deal? That is inherent value. No matter what monetary sum is tied to something, it is only worth what you view it to be worth. Therefore, the amount of money that is in a system is void because of some thin...

I think you have your definitions mixed up:
•inherent: to hang on something, adhere to s., stick to s., (lat. inhaerens)
•intrinsic: to come from the inside, immanent (lat: intrinsecus, "within")

Inherent is an add-on to the item (per its latin definition) not from within, as intrinsic definition states

Cheers. Time to drive home.

Right, but it isn't from its substance as with Intrinsic.

Value = Worth
Intrinsic = In and of itself
Inherent = Characteristic

Not going to argue further. Have a nice day

A person's time and effort are of inherent value... that's why you get paid to work. The variable is what you spend your time and effort working on. I can get anyone to cut my grass, or I can do it myself. Valued low. I can't paint my own portrait, and I can't hire just anyone to do it because it's a limited skill so the value of the work just went way up.

"...it hinges on your belief that a welder is worth more than a burger flipper." The person is no more or less valuable than the other. The skill, however, is. Welding is a more specialized skill that less people are capable of doing well. And no... I am not a welder, by any means

Ohhhhh. Heckle deleted all his posts. Sad.

I was so confused with the one sided argument

Okay. I'll go delete some of mine so they don't keep polluting Vex's status

Actually
Inherent definition is this:

adjective

1. existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute
2. vested in (someone) as a right or privilege

It took me a lot of time and effort to get through this string of comments. How do I get my three minutes and free admission back?

Vex, I guess level 1, 2, and 3 welders are a classification for some government job??? In our line of work, we either have welders that are certified to do the job and ones that are not. All of our welders are certified through vertical 1" cjp welds in D1.1 and most through D1.5.

I was making the comparison with China because of all the building they are doing, there certainly has to be a welding standard over there. They can't just be winging it.

I would HATE to be in one of their high rises in an earthquake... Not China, but you get the idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_L_S9TOPM

Human labor has always been the most in demand, yet undervalued commodity.

Depends on who's doing the evaluation. But yes, it's intentionally undervalued. There are almost 93 million Americans not participating in the labor force right now, according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics... nearly a third of the country. American workers have become "too expensive" and are being replaced. TPP looks to expand that. But I'm breaching into politics here, and that's clearly against the rules

Funny thing is, wages have been static for YEARS. It's the cost of doing business on top of the wages that has increased that prices most American labor out of the market.

See: Austrian School of Economics