Certified Naturally Grown Ghosts, Scotch Bonnets, and Scorpions

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We just received our official certification-----we are now one of the only Certified Naturally Grown hot pepper farms in the country, and our peppers are kicking it out! Pesticide and chemical-free. We are taking orders for our scorching hot ghost peppers, scotch bonnets, lemon drops, and scorpion peppers for sale here:
 
http://homesweethomegrown.com/collections/fresh-peppers
 
And, we have amazing wholesale rates for sauce makers (starting at $10/pound and up depending on quantities).
 
Feel free to email me at robyn@homesweethomegrown.com or call 610-780-3756
 
We ship all over the country too.
 
Happy sauce making all!
Robyn 
 
Out of curiosity, why did you choose Certified Natural over Organic? What do you see as the difference?
 
ETA: and also,   :welcome: to THP!
 
Homesweethomegrown - Welcome to THP.  Please do not get all grumpy, but the certification requirements for Kate and Rons 501c3 are greatly exceeded by the Certified Organic program headed by the USDA.  So to claim you are the only hot pepper farm that meets those lesser requirements is a bit misleading as many farms meet much, much, much stricter standards. 

Heathotsauce, the organic certification program is an International effort with government oversight.  In the United States, the program is overseen by the United States Department of Agriculture.  Various certifications and tests are conducted by independent businesses, but the program is administered by the USDA.
 
Certified Naturally Grown is overseen by Kate and Ron who started the thing about a decade ago.  The thing is run from Brooklyn, NY (I just heard the Pace Salsa commercial in my head: New York City?) as an alternative for people who want to brag about a certification but do not want to meet the standards of operation and / or testing that the USDA insists upon to be called Certified Organic.  Last time I checked, Kate and Ron use a declaration and pier review system.

You declare that you grow your stuff organically and then if one of their members is within an hour they come look at your crop.  I guess that means if their are weeds they figure you are not using herbicide, bugs they figure you are not using pesticide.  I also understand if there is not a volunteer within an hours drive, then you are exempt from the pier review and your word is good enough.

My personal opinion of this certification is it is bragging that someone does not want to meet the USDA requirements for the officially recognized organic program.
 
ajdrew - Thanks for the info about the CNG program.  I'm very familiar with the Organic standards because my step-dad has been an organic farmer for 20+ years (as well as working as an organic certifier in the 90s), and he grows all sorts of hot peppers organically. I definitely agree with the points you make.
 
Heathotsauce, by any chance is he online or interested in mentoring me on some issues?  Not sure I have the process right and our AG guy kind of rolls his eyes at the term organic.  I am in Kentucky, a big Ag state but not so big into organic, so the advice is sparce.
 
ajdrew said:
Heathotsauce, by any chance is he online or interested in mentoring me on some issues?  
 
He's not online really, but if you have particular questions I could relay them to him. I'm sure he'd be happy to help, or at the very least refer you to someone who could help. He's in Southern California now, but he started in Texas, where I figure there was a similar amount of eye-rolling going on. PM me any questions you have and I'll see what I can do.
 
I don't trust the crap that is pulled by the USD(uh)A. Their standards for organic are laughable. Sewage sludge is organic. Conventional seeds can be organic. Typical government bullshat, designed to benefit the highest donor.
 
Myxlplyk said:
I don't trust the crap that is pulled by the USD(uh)A. Their standards for organic are laughable. Sewage sludge is organic. Conventional seeds can be organic. Typical government bullshat, designed to benefit the highest donor.
 
While I agree that the USDA's standards have been watered down by industry influence, what you are saying is mostly wrong. 
 
  • Sewage sludge is not allowed in organics - in fact, the USDA organic seal is your only surefire way to avoid foods grown in sewage sludge. Source
  • Non-organic seeds can only be used in USDA certified organic agriculture when there is no viable alternative organic seed stock (which is rare because organic seeds are widely available now). Additionally, under no circumstances are GMO seeds allowed organics, even if there are no alternatives. Source
 
heathotsauce said:
 
 
While I agree that the USDA's standards have been watered down by industry influence, what you are saying is mostly wrong. 
 
  • Sewage sludge is not allowed in organics - in fact, the USDA organic seal is your only surefire way to avoid foods grown in sewage sludge. Source
  • Non-organic seeds can only be used in USDA certified organic agriculture when there is no viable alternative organic seed stock (which is rare because organic seeds are widely available now). Additionally, under no circumstances are GMO seeds allowed organics, even if there are no alternatives. Source
 
 
I misread the stuff about sludge then. Maybe I was just pissed that they allow it at all. Do people care at all what the Duh allows in their food?
I knew about the seeds. That's still allowing conventional to be organic, regardless of how rare the occurrence is. It should be like any other conventional turning organic... what is it? 3 generations?
 
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