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yes, one thing is unripe peppers (which IME have a bad, too grassy flavor, except for C. annuum and some C. baccatum), another thing are those that genetically ripen to a certain color (olive, mustard and permagreen). I suppose I will check the matter as soon as the mini olives ripen. I also have a couple of permagreen chinenses to test. I will probably have to arm myself with patience to understand when to harvest them