F1 Mushroom Dragon

MadDog

MadDog

Last year was my first grow, being new to this I thought crosses were somewhat of a rarity. I kept my different types of peppers a couple of feet from each other. I grew this year from my best first fruits' seeds from last year.
 
A couple of days ago while doing my nightly "pepper plant patrol", I took a double take and thought I must have jumbled some of my seeds. Upon closer inspection I realized I am now the proud owner of the elusive...
 
F1 Jamaican Mushroom Yellow / Thai Dragon Red
 
The seeds came from the Mushroom plant so I guess that makes her the Mommy?
 
First photo is from fruits last year, next two are of this year's hybrid. They are "ripply" like the Mushroom but long like the Dragon. Can't wait to see what these turn into.
 

 

 
 
The mushrooms were about half the heat of the dragons last year, but they had an awesome flavor. Even stranger, when I dried and ground them, their powder was twice as hot as the dragon powder that I made during the same time. This year this hybrid plant is my tallest and fastest growing. I've had a love hate relationship with this mushroom variety because the seeds were sold to me as Scotch Bonnets, but when I tasted the flavor I fell in love with them.
 
UPDATE:  They're red, and extremely tasty. They have the heat of the dragon but the awesome flavor of the mushroom. I've decided to grow these out and see what I can come up with. So now I've got a lot of reading to do. I understand the F2 is where I'm gonna see all the crazy variations, my question is will each seed from a single pod exhibit these variations or do I have to save seed from multiple pods in order to promote this?
 
 
Every seed in the pod is from a separate fertilization event, so different pollen and different ovule. So each seed should be an individual with a different mix of the parental genes. 
 
As for how many you grow, it depends on how many genes are involved in the traits you are wanting to stabilize as well as how many traits you want to stabilize.
 
If you have the space, you should grow out as many plants as possible of the F2 generation. 
 
Check out this link: 
http://www.plbr.cornell.edu/psi/Pepper%20Breeding.pdf
 
I think you will find it pretty clear, and while it may over simplify things, it is a good way to get started.
 
Keep it up!
 
Ryan
 
Thanks for the link Ryan! I appreciate it. That's good info, I wish I had the resources to handle a grow like that. I only grew 39 plants this year (not counting the one's I gave away) and that's about all I can handle taking care of. I save seeds early on from a couple of the best first fruits and am debating cloning this bad boy because it's so tasty and I know it's pot luck what I'll get from seed next year. This plant is in a large rectangular container with 3 others and wouldn't be easy to transplant into something I could overwinter.
 
I have named it the "Mushgon".
 
Update on Mushgon Project
 
Started late, bad grow season, but managed to get 4 F1 and 7 F2 into production.
 
Plot thickens, after learning about hybrid growth, I noticed last year my supposedly "pure" Thai Dragons were quite varied. Some erect, some pendant, some normal size, some giants. They were grown from pods of original plants the prior year. I thought I must just be a master grower because of the gigantic size of their pods. I'm now thinking the seeds sold to me originally were likely crossed with jalapenos. So the Dragons I were growing year 1 were F1 Thai/Jalapeno and year 2 were F2 Thai/Jalapeno. This would explain all of the variation between my Dragon plants and why my Dragons tasted like Dragons but some of them were the size they were.
 
So... my "Mushgons" likely are Mushrooms crossed with an already crossed Thai/Jalapeno.
 
Back to the present, my 4 F1 all look like standard mushroom, was hoping they'd look like their sibling from last year.
 
My 7 F2 all look like hybrid (yea!), 5 very similar to parent (some erect, some pendant), 2 much more squatty and both pendant.
 
Here are photos of the F2 variations.
 

 
 
MadDog said:
I thought I must just be a master grower because of the gigantic size of their pods. I'm now thinking the seeds sold to me originally were likely crossed with jalapenos.
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Excited to see how this cross develops. 
 
D3monic said:
The "mushroom" looks like a nice bonnet to me
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Yeah, that's what it was sold to me as, and they are often mistaken, but they are delicious and have a unique flavor. Trust me, they taste nothing alike and the mushrooms are annuums. Luckily I scored some MOA Bonnet seeds off of Judy last year so I've got the real deal growing alongside these.
 
I hope to stabilize the mushgons over the next few years.
 
D3monic said:
The "mushroom" looks like a nice bonnet to me
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Only way to be sure is fruit per node, Yellow Mushroom is annuum/single and Scotch Bonnet is chinense/multiple. Here's my Yellow Mushroom from last season....
 
 
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The_NorthEast_ChileMan said:
 
Only way to be sure is fruit per node, Yellow Mushroom is annuum/single and Scotch Bonnet is chinense/multiple. Here's my Yellow Mushroom from last season....
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Wow, those are gorgeous. Could you please expound more on what you just wrote in layman's terms, what do you mean by...
 
Fruit per node?...
 
Differences between single node and multiple node?...
 
Thanks!
 
"Wow, those are gorgeous." Thank-you..

" Could you please expound more on what you just wrote in layman's terms, what do you mean by.." Sure!
 
"Fruit per node?..." A node is each place on a pepper plant where the stem branches or a leaf forms, see 1st pic, one - two or multiple fruit grow from the nodes.
"Differences between single node and multiple node?..." In my above post Yellow Mushroom is C. annuum species which generally have one fruit per node, 2nd pic, but there are a few that grow multiple fruit per node such as Rooster Spur. > https://www.chileplants.com/search.aspx?ProductCode=CHIROS. Most C. baccatum are single fruit per node but it is not uncommon to see two fruit per node in this species, 3rd pic. C. chinense  generally grow four fruit per node, 4th pic.

Hope this helps!


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