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Big Subject, I know. But a very interesting Thread, Yes?

Maybe the Best Growers can pitch in with their Best Rules, all in one place.

My personal Bias is Total Organic. What is yours?

Let us help each other with some Key Questions; Maybe you have others.

1) In the Perfect Environment (85f / 30c Mini Greenhouse) do the 1st Sprouts turn out to be the Strongest Plants?

1b) When is it time to toss the Runt Sprouts? Seedlings, or Plants?

2) Is it better to baby the new plants in Shade to grow Short plants with thick Core & Wide Leaves - or - get them in Sun with Small Leaves right away?

3) Transplant in Small Pots or Large Pots, and When?

4) Feeding - oh gosh - I only feed Organic -- but when? and how much?
4b) Hydro? OY

5) Water - When and How Much?

6) Light, Heat, Cold, Country

7) Flowers & Fruit - Nutrition & Flower Drop

8) Harvest - Date of Season, Color of Pod, Environment

Again, very Big Subject :mouthonfire:


Here are my own Growing Rules:

I am totally Organic, and I live in the Desert of S. California. My Rules obviously will differ from many other growers, but it should be interesting to see what works in various locals.

Here are my Rules for growing Chillies.

SPROUTING SEEDS - My best success sprouting seeds has been with Jiffy Pellets. I soak them until they are sopping wet, then I roll them around in my fingers until all the hard parts break down and they are very loose. I place the seeds dead center and lightly cover. I set the pellets in a mini greenhouse on top of a heating pad with a constant temperature of 30c, and place my thermometer atop more of the same pellets to get an accurate read. I usually don't have to keep them moist, as they evaporate from totally wet and maintain a nice dampness until they sprout. At least once a day I lift the cover to give them air and to drain water drops forming atop the underside of the cover.

ADDENDUM - I live in farily hot summers and mild winters. But overall, I think seeds can be sown anytime for the coming season if you can provide the right conditions for keeping them safe until the Growing Season.

I am currently sprouting Bhut & Bih seeds for next spring. I plan to keep them inside in 3" cups as long as possible during winter, and strenthen the leaf, stem, and root systems during that time with organic fertilizers. Organic is for the soil, not the plant, so things in the plant happen slower and more naturaly, which is good during a fairly long stretch of time when you don't have room for large plants. By the window, and surrounded by relective foil, the leaves should get nice and fat, and stems short and stout.

Temperature should be warm enough for plants, since its warm enough for me. I keep temp between 66-68 during winter (yes, what a whimp, lol).

BTW, there are times to pull the seedlings away from the window, or open the window for air, depending on the weather. If you cannot open the window, I like to shake the tray or hit seedlings with a fan to toughen up their stems. I like to keep stems short as long as possible to build thickness. OY, some of my tomatoes are taller than me. There will be plenty of time for getting tall plants once Spring comes. A good solid foundation early will provide huge rewards later.

SEEDLINGS - Once sprouted, I take the pellets out and into a white tray surrounded by aluminum foil, then set the tray by a big window. I do not allow the sun to hit the seedlings until they get a good set of second leaves, and then I slowly/gently harden them to getting used to the Sun. With a Spray Bottle, and water them once in the morning and once in the evening, being sure to mist the leaves, as they seem to like that. I also make sure they get good air flow to avoid fungus and to toughen up the stems.

LIGHT, COLD, & HEAT – Less Sun keeps the stems short and makes the leaves broad. Over time I have found growing plants in Shade gives me thicker stems. As my plants grow, I give them Sun each day, but mostly Shade. Once they look more like real plants than delicate little seedlings, it's time to toughen them up with more Sun, until they can handle Full Sun most of the day. I've certainly lost a few by being too aggressive, so now I keep as close a watch as possible, and as soon as I see serious Wilting I bring them back into the shade and give them a good mist. Chillies love mist, but unfortunately, so do the bugs. One reason I love to harden my plants to full Sun is because Aphids aren't much of a problem then. OY, bugs are a whole 'nother Thread, lol.

WHEN TO PLANT SEEDS – I used to start seeds indoors January/February, but now am experimenting with starting them in Summer for Over-Winter. Why not? I live in S. California where there really isn't any Frost. Even so, I will keep my best plants inside by the window, and the remainder of my seedlings/young plants in a 4X4 ft greenhouse outside. My idea is to get them big and healthy as I focus on building strength and foliage. Come Spring I will have a good head start with my best new plants.

CONTAINERS – I have no choice but to grow in Containers. I have had lots of success with Self-Watering Containers – with Caveats. My favorites are from Gardeners.com, but I drill holes in the middle tray for air. Tomatoes love them, and Chillies love them too, BUT, Chilies need more control over water then this type of Container affords, from my experience. Self-Watering draws water from the bottom, up into the soil, and they say to never allow the Water Reservoir to go dry. Unfortunately, the lower soil can get very wet. I have learned to allow the to go dry, or very low for Chillies before filling again. But now I prefer good old fashioned Pots. And with Pots, I take a long weeding tool and push down all around the plant to aerate. That also allows me to see how compact the soil has become, and its another way to see if its too wet down deep.

WATER & FERTILIZER – I'm totally Organic, so I take basic potting soil and mix with a 5-5-5 Organic Fertilizer. Come bloom time I augment with an Organic Phosphate, like Bat Guano 0-7-0. With Containers, I make sure I have plenty of Drainage Holes, and on the outer sides, I drill lots of holes for air, and to stick a screwdriver into in order to test how wet the bottom soil is. It gets very hot here in Summer, so the bottom can be wet while the top 4 inches can be bone dry. In that case I slowly dribble water onto the top surface slow enough to absorb, but not fall to the bottom portion of the Container.

FLOWERS & FRUT – There are many opinions regarding Flower & Fruit problems. The important Rules seem to be:
Nighttime temperatures 66f or above.
Too much Nitrogen can cause Flower Drop.
Augmentation with Epsom Salt and/or Phosphate can quickly halt problems.
Extreme heat can halt Pollination.
In my case, Organic Phosphate (Bat Guano) seemed to do the trick – to a point. Several Days of higher heat and maybe not enough water, caused some flowers to drop. Still watching/working on that one.

RIPENING & HARVEST – My Cayenne took a month to turn color once they began. My Habenero took only a few days. I always leave them on the vine for awhile longer to make sure they are really ripe. I have tried stressing my plants to increase heat, but I'm not so sure that really works. At least not for me.

I'm still learning and experimenting, but I hope my Rules encourage others to formalize their own, and share with the group.
 
SanSoo said:
STRENGTH - Seed to Pod - How to Grow a Strong Plant

Feed them viagra, sleep with them and tickle their fancy. :D

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Plant with a full erection. :lol:
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I do quit a bit of research and I'm always interested in the science behind why plants do better than others. Unfortunately this is only my first year growing so I don't have any controlled experiments on what works better. Hopefully some of the vets that have been growing for years will give some useful insight. Welcome to the forum by the way! If your anywhere near Redondo I trying to setup a last man standing wings contest if you have a high tolerance for heat.
 
Interesting thought, but I think nature handles the vast majority of this on it's own. My(rather limited) thoughts on the matter.

1) In the Perfect Environment (85f / 30c Mini Greenhouse) do the 1st Sprouts turn out to be the Strongest Plants?

I have with very few exceptions never seen the "first to sprout" be the strongest/healthiest plants, though far more rarely do I have just one plant in the Jiffy pots I use to germinate them to begin with. This invariably is a process of culling the "weaker" plants so that the "strongest" can grow.

1b) When is it time to toss the Runt Sprouts? Seedlings, or Plants?

This is a matter of some debate; and it depends on a variety of factors. I use Nature's criteria: "If it looks like it's not doing well, pull it." But you don't really HAVE to kill them off. You could simply move them to a different pot.

2) Is it better to baby the new plants in Shade to grow Short plants with thick Core & Wide Leaves - or - get them in Sun with Small Leaves right away?

I harden mine off fairly brutally all things considered. moderate sunlight at first and a fair amount of wind due to where I live. My peppers get about 13-14 hours of straight sun daily as adults, about 8-10 for the first few weeks.

3) Transplant in Small Pots or Large Pots, and When?
I step up from small 4" to medium to large 12-24" as they start to outgrow them. Fairly easy to tell when that happens.


4) Feeding - oh gosh - I only feed Organic -- but when? and how much?
(I'm gonna get yelled at for this) Miracle Grow Tomato fertilizer once every four weeks or so.
Weak solution of Shultz 10-15-15 plant food in between.
As well as a tablespoon of epsom salts at the very beginning of the season.

4b) Hydro? OY
Cool stuff, but never done it.

5) Water - When and How Much?
A matter of GREAT debate. Peppers do NOT like to be soggy. Root rot IS a problem. My guideline has always been to wait for them to get slightly wilted, then water. Seems to work Just fine.
(I'm gonna get yelled at for this too) I personally use Miracle grow's moisture control potting soil, which is more or less universally reviled. But to be frank, in a hot climate like mine it works well, and they start out in decent soil until they get to 10" pots. I really wouldn't use it with young plants as I'm pretty sure it will stunt their growth from being too wet.

6) Light, Heat, Cold, Country
About 2-3 for the first 2 days, then about 5-7 for the next 2, then 8-10. After that they want as much as they can get. Which for my area is about 13-14 direct per day and about 16 indirect.
Lots and lots of heat. Heat is good. It's been about 95-100 degrees steadily here for the last few days and mine are loving it.

7) Flowers & Fruit - Nutrition & Flower Drop
See above.

8) Harvest - Date of Season, Color of Pod, Environment
As they ripen generally.
Red this year, though purple twilights are actually delicious.
Hot, humid.


This is a hugely broad topic.

And that is one SERIOUS stem amigo.

YMMV

-T
 
my answers are not gospel...they are just the way I do it...

SanSoo said:
1) In the Perfect Environment (85f / 30c Mini Greenhouse) do the 1st Sprouts turn out to be the Strongest Plants?

not that I have found...to me, it is a question of genetics of the seeds...some are superior to others but no way to tell until you plant them and they start growing...

SanSoo said:
1b) When is it time to toss the Runt Sprouts? Seedlings, or Plants?

I use 72 cell seed starting trays with Hoffmans seed starting mix...for varieties that are new to me or plants I am sure are big producers like the Super Cayenne II or Super Chili, I plant 6 seeds per variety and keep the best three or four...the weakest links get discarded when they are transplanted to 3" containers...

SanSoo said:
2) Is it better to baby the new plants in Shade to grow Short plants with thick Core & Wide Leaves - or - get them in Sun with Small Leaves right away?

I have a growing system that works pretty well for me...I start chinense first since they grow slower than annuums...I have a home made germinator that has two 2' X 2' X 4' chambers. Each chamber will hold four 72 cell seed starting trays. I use a lights for heat and aremote bulb thermostat to keep the temperature at a constant 30C. After the seedlings are about 3 inches tall I move them to the seedling grow area...three 8' long shelves that are 16" wide...I can put 180 plants per shelf in 3" containers...they are lit a mixture of 4100K and 6500K shop light bulbs...16 per shelf. When they start to "outgrow" the seedling grow area, I transfer them to my 4' square grow box that is 6 feet tall...this grow box has eight 6500K 4' 40 watt fluros, twelve 42 watt 6500K CFLs and 6 42 watt 3000K CFLs...when they are large enough, they go into my green house outside where the temps will vary...I never let it get below 50F once the hardening process starts...I will leave them in the greenhouse for a couple of weeks before I start transplanting to 5 gallon containers then another week after transplant before moving them outside to their permanent homes.

SanSoo said:
3) Transplant in Small Pots or Large Pots, and When?

see above

SanSoo said:
4) Feeding - oh gosh - I only feed Organic -- but when? and how much?

I try and stay organic but to begin with I like using superthrive and Botanicare ProGrowon my seedlings from seed starting until transplant to 5 gallon containers...once they get to the 5 gallon containers, I drop the superthrive and use only Botanicare products for soil. They get fed everytime they get water. When the plants are moved outside for good, the Botanicare products are no longer used and I use a straight 10-10-10 or 13-13-13 peletized fertilize (I grow too many plants to use the Botanicare products all year long - too expensive)...once the flowering/podding starts, I will switch to a 7-14-7 with micronutrients I get from my local nursery that also has 7% calcium...

about every two weeks, I will give each plant in 5 gallon containers a tablespoon of epsom salts...

SanSoo said:
4b) Hydro? OY

I am a dirt farmer...

SanSoo said:
5) Water - When and How Much?

I water only when the plants wilt...and then sometimes if the soil at the bottom of the containers is still wet, I won't water then....just depends on what the plants and soil are telling me...

SanSoo said:
6) Light, Heat, Cold, Country

I use artificial lights until they move to the greenhouse..

SanSoo said:
7) Flowers & Fruit - Nutrition & Flower Drop

I don't pay much attention to flower drop...pod drop is another issue...I figure the plants will produce when they get good and ready...see above for nutrient regimen...

SanSoo said:
8) Harvest - Date of Season, Color of Pod, Environment

I harvest usually from the last week of May/first week of June through the first week of December...and now with the greenhouse, I can extend my season even further...

The color of the pods when I pick them depends on what I am going to use them for...for fresh eating...I like the pods that are just starting to turn...for dehydrating and making purees for canning, I like them full ripe color
 
AlabamaJack said:
I use 72 cell seed starting trays with Hoffmans seed starting mix...for varieties that are new to me or plants I am sure are big producers like the Super Cayenne II or Super Chili, I plant 6 seeds per variety and keep the best three or four...the weakest links get discarded when they are transplanted to 3" containers...

Great post AJ. Just wanted to confirm, do you plant 1 seed per cell?
 
I don't grow a lot of peppers, maybe 40 plants a year, all started from seeds. I'm more of a dirt farmer than AJ - he uses containers, this year I used the yard.

My MO is to sow several seeds in a premium potting mix (not potting soil) and once they germinate and grow to about 3" tall, transplant them into 3" containers. Bottom water weekly, using Tomato-tone ferts every other week.

No matter how tall the seedlings get, I plant to the bottom leaves, or even the heart of there is significant internodal length. I have found that if temps are kept lower, the IN length can be much smaller.

I learned that once plants start growing, at least in a garden, that adding ferts (compost tea may be an exception) is an exercise is wasting money, especially if the ground has been amended with compost.

This winter, I am growing toms in a GH, in containers, but they are for the most part buried to the tops. It's completely new to me so should be a good experiment.

Mike
 
wordwiz said:
Bottom water weekly, using Tomato-tone ferts every other week.

How do you apply the Tomato-tone when you bottom water? Do you mix it with the water? I've always top dressed and watered in.
 
Zander,

Yes I do. But, I add it a couple of days before and aerate the mixture. The Tomato-tone has a fair amount of nitrogen that is not water soluble, but for seedlings I really do not want much nitrogen.

When using it for growing plants (as in the greenhouse) I add a bit of fish emulsion to the water.

The reason for bottom watering, especially for seedlings, it to avoid damping off. The top stays completely dry so the roots tend to grow toward water. I get a nice and solid root ball to transplant.

Mike
 
wordwiz said:
Zander,
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The reason for bottom watering, especially for seedlings, it to avoid damping off. The top stays completely dry so the roots tend to grow toward water. I get a nice and solid root ball to transplant.

Mike

Ok so is bottom water key to having a good root system. Is it possible to add fertilizer to plants this way. I've never tryed this,
 
pepperman,

It works for me. Our guru (AJ) passed it on to me, and he got the advice from Pamela, a wonderful lady who no longer graces this forum with her advice.

As I posted, I add the fertilizer to the water (rain water brought inside when possible) and let it "work" for a couple of days. I now have air pumps (for hydro units) I can use, but before I would just stir the mixture a couple times a day for a couple of days. I would even drop a multi-vitamin in for every two gallons of water.

Mike
 
Thanks for the clarification Mike. I've made a similar tea with worm castings and Tomato-tone. I used it as a foliar feed and also watered from the top. I hear you about the bottom watering, but since I've switched to coco coir for seedlings I have less to worry about. This season seedlings went from peat pellets to coco coir. Next season I'm trying 100% coco from the start. It's clean, easy to work with and transplants well into soil.
 
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