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The Grove Pepper Project

I think a little history may be required so you understand why this is important to me. Florida supposedly has a few types of wild peppers. One of them is a monster of a pepper called a Calusa Indian Mound.  It is supposed to get huge. I have never seen one in the wild nor in cultivation. The state of Florida recognizes Tabasco peppers as being a wild pepper down in a couple of counties in South Florida. Again, I've never seen one in the wild. The third one is called a Grove pepper. Growing up in Central Florida in the seventies, we use see them in some of the smaller citrus groves. From my understanding, grove peppers were common throughout most of the groves in Florida. workers would snack on them while working in the hot Florida sun in the groves. As a kid, I got my introduction to hot peppers from these wild grove peppers.The peppers were hot, harsh and would make you feel cooler.
 
Grove Peppers are really hard to find in the wild these days. I personally think that whatever this pepper is, it thrived only in citrus groves. It's not hard to figure out why, all Grove Peppers I saw grew in partial shade. Citrus groves provided this, with the pepper getting some mid morning or mid afternoon sun as well as some high noon sun. I knew a couple of people that grew them in 5 gallon buckets or in large pots.They only did well getting just three or four hours sun in the summer. Many of the grove owners hated the peppers because they felt they robbed a lot of the fertilizer the trees were supposed to have. Once a grove pepper became established, they were hard to get rid of. They grew a big, thick, and long tap root that made them hard to pull up. Nowadays, all groves spray herbicide under their trees that ensure nothing grows under them.
 
I personally think the grove pepper got so common for all those years because the works would snack on the peppers and the seeds would end up where they worked, in the groves. I'm sure the birds spread them to some extent. I was told the blue jays and the scrub jays both loved to eat the peppers. Nowadays, many of the farm and grove workers still snack on hot peppers. The two biggest differences is, they have much better tasting peppers they bring with them to snack on, and any pepper plant they may come up from seed, will never get established before a worker sprays it with herbicide. Until a month ago, I had not seen a grove pepper since the late seventies or very early eighties. I figured they still existed in the wild, but how and where they existed was a mystery to me.
 
A month ago, I spotted what appeared to be a grove pepper in a wooded lot near my house. It was growing in undisturbed soil in a partly shaded area.  None of the peppers were ripe yet, but the plant had the right shape, height and the peppers looked right for it to be a grove pepper. I showed the picture to a few of my friends and they agreed I had probably found a grove pepper. i wanted to go dig it up and move it to my house, but i wasn't sure if the lot belonged to the person next door, and the pepper did look like it had it's lower branches removed. I wasn't sure if someone was taking care of it or if something had bitten off the lower branches. 
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Once I was sure I had a real grove pepper, I went back and took a cutting. all of the branches had a few peppers on them so I could not help but get a few peppers with my cutting. I did taste one and it was how I remembered them. Hot and a little bit of a harsh taste. You won't get any fruity undertones from this one.
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Peppers are easy to root from cuttings. I prepared this one and it's sitting a mix of pine bark fines, peat, and perlite. I will move it to a one gallon pot next and on to a five gallon bucket later. I have a greenhouse, so I will move it into that if it gets cold this winter.
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The original pepper plant seems to be well isolated from any other peppers. I think I should have pure seed from it once some of the pods get ripe. I will collect some and share the seeds later on.
So far, my cutting is doing well and should be well rooted within a month.
 
my friend grows them just about every year they look alot like Piri Piri (aka African Devil) they havethe same shape and growing habit but the Piri has a sweeter flavor and not harsh
 
yeah keep us up to date on this one im interested
 
thanks your friend Joe
 
I have a couple of plants producing a lot of pods as we speak. I will post pictures in the future. It's pouring right now.
 
Looks just like the one in your pic. You got the real deal.
 
Nice find!
In my understanding Calusa Indian Mound should be the same as Florida Wild Bird (c. annuum var. glabriusculum) while Grove Pepper is a c. frutescens like Tabasco (seems compatible with your pic).
 
Cya
 
Datil
 
Datil said:
Nice find!
In my understanding Calusa Indian Mound should be the same as Florida Wild Bird (c. annuum var. glabriusculum) while Grove Pepper is a c. frutescens like Tabasco (seems compatible with your pic).
 
Cya
 
Datil
 
 
Anyone have any extra info on this. I am not sure myself if the names all equal the same peppers. I have seen slight variances in pictures online. I think you are right.
 
PepperDaddler said:
Anyone have any extra info on this. I am not sure myself if the names all equal the same peppers. I have seen slight variances in pictures online. I think you are right.
I've seen big variances online with grove, wild bird, and calusa peppers. Someone is selling grove pepper seed that doesn't look anything like what I have, and that adds to the confusion. I'm sure there is pepper variations in the wild, but what I have as a grove pepper is what I remember that actually grew in the groves. That is all the proof I can offer that is the correct pepper.
 
PepperDaddler said:
Everything was looking great until a week straight of rain. Now all of my plants are yellowing and dropping leaves. Aside from that, I have peppers on mine:
 
sorry bout this man i can relate :tear:  nice thing though it should bounce back with new foliage and may even end up being bushier
thanks your friend Joe
 
Is my pic a good example of how they look when overwatered? That is the only thing that has changed since they were green with all of their leaves. They have never had nutes, so I thought it might be time to give them some. I have not done it yet. I did not want to give them anything that would stop them from producing pods. I have MG tomato...would it be alright to give that to them even though they are flowering? Or should I just hold off.
 
-I do mean giving them the nutes after they have dried out a little and bounce back some.
 
PepperDaddler said:
Is my pic a good example of how they look when overwatered? That is the only thing that has changed since they were green with all of their leaves. They have never had nutes, so I thought it might be time to give them some. I have not done it yet. I did not want to give them anything that would stop them from producing pods. I have MG tomato...would it be alright to give that to them even though they are flowering? Or should I just hold off.
 
-I do mean giving them the nutes after they have dried out a little and bounce back some.
im thinking you should give it a half does and not the full, this way it wont be too much nitrogen thats usually the big offender when it comes to pod and flower drop, im sure this will not hurt seeing its never had any before and im sure if its been in that same spot as long as it has its prolly a little depleted anyway go for it
 
thanks your friend Joe
 
PepperDaddler said:
I should wait for recovery though right? Or would doing it now boost recovery?
it would boost recovery but fisrt give it an epsom salt shot
 
about 1 tsp to a gal of water around the base roots of the plant this will get the ball rolling, then lightly water every two days at the base waiting about a week from application of Epsom salt to give the fert, all at once may not be a good idea, i have brought a few sickly plants back this way over the years
 
hope this helps
 
thanks your friend Joe
 
davidestesfl said:
It's been two weeks since I took this cutting. I checked the root system today and it seems to be developing nicely.
 
The wild plant doesn't have any red peppers yet but there was several orange
I think this is fascinating. I didn't realize there were wilds in Florida like that. I think you have an awesome project going and wish you great luck with it!
 
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