Sawyer '15 - Killing frost 11/22 + pics

Devv · Mar 22, 2015

Over a thousand plants?

I'm sure they have a pepper rehab out there John somewhere

Pulpiteer · Mar 22, 2015

Sawyer said:
Good find on the link. I'm going to plant mine in pots and put them in the germination stand, maybe on top of the lights. After a couple of weeks there, I'll put them outside for the last of the cold weather, or if that doesn't happen (I hope, I hope), I'll stick them in the fridge for a couple of weeks. Then I'll put them outside in the shade on the North side of the house and forget about them. This is the main reason I bought some bulbs in addition to the seed. I need to post a new picture of those, because they are growing like crazy. They're not taking anymore orders for this spring, but I got them from Ramp Farm.

More good news on the AR Reaper front. I had one germinate in PF3-27 from the 3/11 resowing. Either that or a Charapita germinated after more than a month. I guess I'll find out as it grows.

I'll post a more comprehensive update soon.

That's an interesting idea. Maybe I'll try that with some and put some others in a spot in the ground and just see what happens. The seed was cheap at Tradewinds, so I thought I'd give them a shot. To be honest, I have had little success germinating much beyond peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers and squash from seed, so it's a learning experience.

PaulG · Mar 23, 2015

Way to tread the territory of the cool and unusual, fellas!

Sawyer · Mar 26, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
Thanks John the peach Reapers are 2014 so I think they will grow fine it seems I am digging the peach color this season.
I am going to be doing sowing this week the capsicum annuum's ,some more capsicum chinense & some capsicum baccatum plus one Capsicum Frutecens .
Also going to sow some giant red mustard ,tomatoes /tomatillos/tamarillo's .
I will be moving the stuffing scotch bonnets in plant room 2 along with the other blunder transplants .(I think the stuffing scotch bonnets are going to make it will end up being more bushy in the long run but not too pretty now)
going to transplant the moa's and some datils all &all things are moving along.
I have peach congo's coming up it certainly been a learning experience .
Spring started out with spider mites took care of them I think and some kind of black ants that over stayed there welcome think I took care of them as well.
Best of luck as always to your season John

Thanks, Jason. I'm a big fan of Peach <anything> myself. It's just such a cool color. I planted a flat of veggie seeds and a few random other things yesterday and radishes and lettuce in the ground. Still haven't started my tomatoes. Good thing they're fast growers.

Sorry to hear about the mites; I hope you got rid of them. And don't be too hasty about killing ants. The aphid farmers aren't good and the little black pissants don't do much good or harm, as far as I can tell. Some ants, though, are good pollinators and with the bees in trouble, that can be a benefit.

Devv said:
Over a thousand plants?

I'm sure they have a pepper rehab out there John somewhere

I got plans, man; I got plans. Or maybe I'm just :crazy:

Pulpiteer said:
That's an interesting idea. Maybe I'll try that with some and put some others in a spot in the ground and just see what happens. The seed was cheap at Tradewinds, so I thought I'd give them a shot. To be honest, I have had little success germinating much beyond peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers and squash from seed, so it's a learning experience.

Vegetables are definitely among the easier seeds to start. I've started some things that didn't come up for over a year. I hope these ramps don't take that long. The ramps bulbs I planted (in pots) were a little too far out from under a tree and got zapped by some bright morning sun the other day. Some of them look a little burnt... I hope they recover.

PaulG said:
Way to tread the territory of the cool and unusual, fellas!

Wait 'til you see what I put in my first "veggie" flat.

Okay, I've been a little concerned about the rate of growth of my seedlings, so I mixed up some Peter's STEM (soluble trace elements and minerals), 1 tsp to 2.5 gallons of water and have used that for the last couple of waterings. It's not really all that soluble in my calcium-rich water, but I can shake it up long enough to water. I also mixed up a sprayer-full of seaweed extract and Epsom salts and have misted everything once. They're looking good enough now for a portrait, but that'll likely have to wait until this weekend.

In the meantime, check out this albino sprout. It's a Jalapeño "M". I know it won't survive, but it is interesting. It was a helmet-head and lost part of its cotys in the removal attempt.

If there were a green sprout right next to it, I'd try to graft the two together. And I've also wondered if I could mix up some sort of foliar spary to keep it going. Or maybe an IV drip. Something to provide the sugars it can't make for itself without chlorophyll. I wonder what kind of pods it would make if it could be kept alive.

More harbingers of spring. These are all in my backyard. First up, three views of some Trout Lilies aka Dogtooth Violets (which are neither lilies nor violets):

The May Apples are just starting to pop up. The large shoot on the right is from well-established rhizomes. I think the one on the left may be a seedling, but I didn't realize any fruit made it to maturity last year or the year before.

The Bloodroot blooms aren't quite open yet. I really need to get a DSLR; this point and shoot crap isn't working for me. On the other hand, you can see the seedlings just starting at ground level.

Finally, I think this is a two year old Trout Lily seedling on the left and the shoot to the right of it I believe is a Large-flowered Bellwort.

jcw10tc · Mar 27, 2015

Nice you are seeing some life outside. Everything still dead in my yard. I had a few albinos maybe last year. 2 7 Pot whites were pefect miniature plants and almost white in color, probably a very light green. Leaf shape and everything was find just extremely tiny. Tried to let them grow but they both died off early.

Sawyer · Mar 27, 2015

Thanks, Justin. Spring is getting here slowly, though things have taken a turn for the cooler at the moment. Warm weather returns on Sunday and I hope to start potting up then.

I think I've had one albino previously. It just occurred to me, I bet one could tissue culture one of these and eventually succeed in grafting one of the resulting plantlets onto a normal plant. It would be sort of an extreme version of variegation.

I meant to mention yesterday, my hops are coming up. All but one of the in-grounds is showing life. These are Sterling, Fuggle, Brewer's Gold, Glacier, Nugget, Mt. Hood, Zeus, Magnum, and Teamaker. The only one that isn't is Liberty. Liberty may be at risk. In pots, I have Alpharoma, Chinook, Columbia and Perle coming to life. For one reason or another, I've lost Newport, Crystal, SuperAlpha, Cascade, Centennial, and Willamette.

PaulS · Mar 27, 2015

Nice garden photos. The may appples are nice looking plants.

Plantguy76 · Mar 27, 2015

Hi John not going to be able to grow the AR Reaper this season I reached my maximum capacity last night was planing on 3 more flats & ended up with 4 flats instead .
Its not the only one I could not grow this season maybe I can start a few seeds this winter or a little later next season.
My peach congos are doing well I have ten now would of been eleven but one died do to helmet head
So out of 16 seeds that's good germination rates.
The peach BJ S S are doing well too.
It looks like things are coming along for you as well John best of luck to you this season you sure have a lot of plants and that is going to keep you busy but its all worth it.

Devv · Mar 27, 2015

Glad to see the early spring action John, it won't be long now!

stickman · Mar 29, 2015

Nice pics of the wildflowers John... you got me Jonesin' for warmer weather! The snow and ice is about half gone on the yard and my wife's flower beds are beginning to emerge into the light. We should begin to see the first bulbs make an appearance in another week or two. I'll be curious to hear how using STEM ferts works for you in the long run... I found a small box of water soluble 15-30-15 ferts at Wally World, and that's what I've been adding to the water jugs @ 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. That and the electric heater seem to be helping the seedlings along here.
Cool albino plant... will you cull it to make room or see how long you can keep it going?

Sawyer · Mar 29, 2015

PaulS said:
Nice garden photos. The may appples are nice looking plants.

Thanks, Paul. The May apples really are cool plants, one of my favorites. I have a pretty decently-sized patch as future photos will show, but I've yet to harvest a single ripe fruit. Those were always a special treat when I found them as a kid.

Plantguy76 said:
Hi John not going to be able to grow the AR Reaper this season I reached my maximum capacity last night was planing on 3 more flats & ended up with 4 flats instead .
Its not the only one I could not grow this season maybe I can start a few seeds this winter or a little later next season.
My peach congos are doing well I have ten now would of been eleven but one died do to helmet head
So out of 16 seeds that's good germination rates.
The peach BJ S S are doing well too.
It looks like things are coming along for you as well John best of luck to you this season you sure have a lot of plants and that is going to keep you busy but its all worth it.

Hey, Jason, no worries on the AR Reaper. Out of 38 seeds planted, I got 5 plants, so they were definitely not very good seed. But I do have 5 plants, so I'll be able to refresh my seed stock and take better care of them this time around. You should throw away the seeds you have now. (If you're like me, if you have seeds, you feel obligated to plant them to see what happens.) Come this fall or winter, I'll trade you some fresh seeds for some Peach Congo seeds (and maybe some Peach BJSS if you're willing to part with any).

Helmet heads suck. I've had a scattering of them this year. Some survive, some don't.

Devv said:
Glad to see the early spring action John, it won't be long now!

Hey, Scott, thanks for stopping by. Yep, spring is nigh. It's sunny today and will likely touch 70ºF. I planted some radishes and lettuce several days ago, before the last round of rain. It's too wet to get out there now, but maybe I can tomorrow or Tuesday before the next round of rain.

stickman said:
Nice pics of the wildflowers John... you got me Jonesin' for warmer weather! The snow and ice is about half gone on the yard and my wife's flower beds are beginning to emerge into the light. We should begin to see the first bulbs make an appearance in another week or two. I'll be curious to hear how using STEM ferts works for you in the long run... I found a small box of water soluble 15-30-15 ferts at Wally World, and that's what I've been adding to the water jugs @ 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. That and the electric heater seem to be helping the seedlings along here.
Cool albino plant... will you cull it to make room or see how long you can keep it going?

Thanks, Rick. Sorry to hear you're still dealing with snow and ice. This last cool snap we had here, when it got down to 40ºF at night, put me in a funk again. I'd be bouncing off the walls if I had to deal with what you've got.

I've used the Peter's STEM successfully in the past and the plants are looking pretty good now (if over-crowded). It's expensive at over $60 for a 25 pound bag 3 years ago, but at 1 tsp per 2.5 gallons of water, a bag lasts a long, long time. I imagine that 15-30-15 will work well for you. I've been using Peter’s 10-30-20 @ 1/4 tsp/gal with almost every watering, but felt there was something missing. The starter mix I'm using is recycled Sunshine #1 and pine bark that had been rain-flushed in pots for over a year, so I imagine just about all the nutrients were leached out. I've also misted everything once (time for another round) with a dilute seaweed/Epsom salts mix. That seemed to help, too.

I'll leave the albino as long as it hangs in there, but I don't think that will be long. It isn't growing at all, just sitting there. I imagine once the cotys are depleted, it's a goner.

Okay, this afternoon I begin potting up, at least a few. Stay tuned for developments.

Plantguy76 · Mar 29, 2015

Sawyer said:
Thanks, Paul. The May apples really are cool plants, one of my favorites. I have a pretty decently-sized patch as future photos will show, but I've yet to harvest a single ripe fruit. Those were always a special treat when I found them as a kid.

Hey, Jason, no worries on the AR Reaper. Out of 38 seeds planted, I got 5 plants, so they were definitely not very good seed. But I do have 5 plants, so I'll be able to refresh my seed stock and take better care of them this time around. You should throw away the seeds you have now. (If you're like me, if you have seeds, you feel obligated to plant them to see what happens.) Come this fall or winter, I'll trade you some fresh seeds for some Peach Congo seeds (and maybe some Peach BJSS if you're willing to part with any).

Helmet heads suck. I've had a scattering of them this year. Some survive, some don't.

Hey, Scott, thanks for stopping by. Yep, spring is nigh. It's sunny today and will likely touch 70ºF. I planted some radishes and lettuce several days ago, before the last round of rain. It's too wet to get out there now, but maybe I can tomorrow or Tuesday before the next round of rain.

Thanks, Rick. Sorry to hear you're still dealing with snow and ice. This last cool snap we had here, when it got down to 40ºF at night, put me in a funk again. I'd be bouncing off the walls if I had to deal with what you've got.

I've used the Peter's STEM successfully in the past and the plants are looking pretty good now (if over-crowded). It's expensive at over $60 for a 25 pound bag 3 years ago, but at 1 tsp per 2.5 gallons of water, a bag lasts a long, long time. I imagine that 15-30-15 will work well for you. I've been using Peters 10-30-20 @ 1/4 tsp/gal with almost every watering, but felt there was something missing. The starter mix I'm using is recycled Sunshine #1 and pine bark that had been rain-flushed in pots for over a year, so I imagine just about all the nutrients were leached out. I've also misted everything once (time for another round) with a dilute seaweed/Epsom salts mix. That seemed to help, too.

I'll leave the albino as long as it hangs in there, but I don't think that will be long. It isn't growing at all, just sitting there. I imagine once the cotys are depleted, it's a goner.

Okay, this afternoon I begin potting up, at least a few. Stay tuned for developments.

A trade during the fall or winter would be good I've got red moa seeds germinating along with some other pepper varieties .
My tomatoes are coming up in there trays now.
I decided that I need to get another small swimming pool cut the bottom out and plant the yellow moa's in them.
I have 13 of the yellow moa's so four in each raised pool bed.
I am basically trying to figure out where to put everything now and wondering what I got myself into lol
How did the potting up go?

Plantguy76 · Mar 31, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
A trade during the fall or winter would be good I've got red moa seeds germinating along with some other pepper varieties .
My tomatoes are coming up in there trays now.
I decided that I need to get another small swimming pool cut the bottom out and plant the yellow moa's in them.
I have 13 of the yellow moa's so four in each raised pool bed.
I am basically trying to figure out where to put everything now and wondering what I got myself into lol
How did the potting up go?

Yea Have a red moa hooking out of the 3 seeds wicked mike gave me at lest it looks like I will have one and that's better than nothing :dance:

Plantguy76 · Mar 31, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
Yea Have a red moa hooking out of the 3 seeds wicked mike gave me at lest it looks like I will have one and that's better than nothing

My new red moa scotch bonnet may you grow strong and produce lots of pods :dance:

Just had to share John glad I have at lest one

Sawyer · Apr 1, 2015

Good going on the Red MoA, Jason! What's the story on that? Where did it come from?

I got sidetracked by a ton of paperwork, so potting up has been delayed. PF1-PF4 are getting very crowded. PF5-7 somewhat less so.

Plantguy76 · Apr 1, 2015

Here a link that tells a bit about them I dugged up for ya there also a red moa community grow glog
http://thehotpepper.com/topic/51230-sasbe-offer-red-scotch-bonnet-moa-closed/#entry1069257
Here the red moa community grow link
http://thehotpepper.com/topic/51859-red-moa-scotch-bonnets-community-grow/page-4#entry1141107
I was kinda wonder if a SB7J (scotch bonnet x seven pot Jonah) crossed with a moa scotch bonnet what would it be like bonnet shape and more bonnet flavor but what about heat and what would the seven pot Jonah bring to the stronger bonnet genes
The reason I am wondering is I have some sb7j seeds form wicked mike geminating and with all the flowers I am going to have its a good possibility (just some thoughts)
I was kinda wonder if a SB7J (scotch bonnet x seven pot Jonah) crossed with a moa scotch bonnet what would it be like bonnet shape and more bonnet flavor but what about heat and what would the seven pot Jonah bring to the stronger bonnet genes
The reason I am wondering is I have some sb7j seeds form wicked mike geminating and with all the flowers I am going to have its a good possibility (just some thoughts)

Sawyer · Apr 1, 2015

It'll be interesting to see how the Red MoA SB turns out this year. I don't know about the cross you mention. I think unless you intentionally cross them, or have a ton of bees at your place, you're less likely, rather than more, to get the cross.

Sawyer · Apr 4, 2015

I've updated the germination numbers in Post #56. I'm well over 1,000 plants now in seven 72-cell flats. Have one more pepper flat to plant. It seems late, but it's still close to a month until plant out. In case you are wondering what 1,000 plants crowded into such a small place look like, take a look at these photos. PF1,2,6,&7 are planted according the 24-section scheme shown in Post #41, while PF3,4,&5 are planted according to the 36-section scheme shown in Post #44. The specific varieties in each section can be seen in the aforementioned Post #56.

Pepper flat #1:

Pepper flat #2:

Pepper flat #3:

Pepper flat #4:

Pepper flat #5:

Pepper flat #6:

Pepper flat #7:

Essegi · Apr 4, 2015

Sawyer said:
More harbingers of spring. These are all in my backyard. First up, three views of some Trout Lilies aka Dogtooth Violets (which are neither lilies nor violets):

Those are exactly like dente di cane (that means doog teeth) that there are here and you saw on my glog, leaves are the same too. Nice.

4 digit number here, lol, probably i don't reach 3 even if i sum peppers, basil and tomatoes.

jcw10tc · Apr 4, 2015

Over 1000 plants. Don't know how your going to do it unless you have some help. I did some inventory the other night, have 283 hot peppers. Still havent counted sweets and tomatoes. Yours are looking good. Ever have issues separating them? Looks like you have multiple per cell, and they are getting pretty big in some of them.