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Wild, Indeed, Community Thread

Just getting this started so I can get a url.
I will post more about this in a couple of days.
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Happy New Year, 2021!
 
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I have been tossing around the idea of a community thread
devoted to wild pepper varieties. I know there have been
various wild pepper grow logs, but I am looking for a place
in which anyone who is interested or is growing wild peppers
as part of their grow can post. Hopefully it will become a place
where some good information about growing wild peppers can
be found. Similar in scope to the more focused Purple Thunder
and Trippaul Threat community grows, but more general.
 
With all the crossing going on in the chili pepper world, both
intentional and accidental, it is sometimes hard to find some
of the good old varieties in their original form. Yellow 7 comes
to mind. In that light, I think it is important to preserve the wild
pepper lineages. I am interested in isolating and producing true
to variety stock. I already know some of the 'wilds' I grew in
2020 were crosses.
 
I hope anyone who is interested this topic will chime in.
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CAP1141 c. praetermissum, Brazil
 
Just to get the ball rolling, here's a list of wilds I'm
considering for next season. Blue are OW's. 
If they don't make it, I won't grow again this
season, except for the CGN22795.
 
Wild variety choices so far:

Cumari Pollux,  c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019
Cumari Flibu, c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019
Cumari do Para, c. chinense, Brazil, PtMD989
Cumari, wild collected x 2, c. chinense (?) Brazil, 2019
CAP 1141, c. praetermissum, CaneDog, 2019
CGN 22795, c. praetermissum, Brazil, OW, SemiLlas la Palma, 2019
CGN 24360, c. chinense, OW, ‘BB Habanero’, Catchthebear, 2019
Chiltepin Rojo, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, OW, 2019
CGN22875, c. Annuum, Yemen, ‘Bisbas’,
Yellow Pequin, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, F2
Chili ‘Seguin’, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, Devv, wild collected 2020
Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semilla la Palma, 2019:
CGN 22835, c. chacoense, Brazil, catchthebear, 2019
CAP 1446, c. chacoense ‘Hunziker’, PtMD989, 2019
c. lanceolatum, n=26, isolated, CaneDog, 2019 - 2nd try
Wiri Wiri, c. chinense, true strain, wiri wiri via Cane Dog, 2019
 
Later, I'll post a list of wild seeds I have on hand, 
besides the ones above.
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c. chacoense 'Putapario', Argentina
 
Siv said:
My reluctance with wilds is that the pods are tiny and generally full of seeds so for a lazy grower like me its a bit of a struggle. Are there any that have larger pods?
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skullbiker said:
^^^ I agree 100% with that comment! ^^^
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Most have small pods alright.  I find it easiest to just
wait 'til the end of the season, cut the plant down and
take off the pods all at once.
 
I'm not into wilds for the production, although most
make fine powders. My interest is more along the
lines of keeping some of the wild varieties in circulation.
Hopefully by comparing notes, the true specimens can
be identified by the group and seeds banked and shared,
as CaneDog stated above. I will be trying to isolate as
much as I can with my limited space and resources.
 
Even if you aren't into growing them, I hope you will
follow along, and chime in with comments and
suggestions/ideas..
 
Hi Paul...first off 'Happy New Year' ...Thou' it has not started out good at all...esp., yesterday....shocking/shameful!!!!
 
Have been occupied with the unexpected...but I do have a few "new"(to me) wildies to get going.
 
Definitely not to grow for sauce...the production is not up for that...lucky if you get some to bear fruit in yr #1.
My most productive plant was the Galapagoense of all wilds...that was extremely gratifying.
I've shared seeds with many so I hope to keep the "LINE" going..so Paul if you're looking for anything in particular give a shout...
 
The number one criteria for growing wilds is Patience...did I say Patience....as in many weeks/months..then the fun begins when that
special seed "POPS" :dance:
 
Good Luck this yr with all the grow Paul & stay safe! ;)
 
PaulG said:
Most have small pods alright.  I find it easiest to just
wait 'til the end of the season, cut the plant down and
take off the pods all at once.
 
I'm not into wilds for the production, although most
make fine powders. My interest is more along the
lines of keeping some of the wild varieties in circulation.
Hopefully by comparing notes, the true specimens can
be identified by the group and seeds banked and shared,
as CaneDog stated above. I will be trying to isolate as
much as I can with my limited space and resources.
 
Even if you aren't into growing them, I hope you will
follow along, and chime in with comments and
suggestions/ideas..
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Well I'd be happy to give a few a go - I have plenty of space! 
 
Paul, Im planning on growing a few wilds this season.  Should I post their progress here instead of my glog?  
 
wiriwiri said:
Hi Paul...first off 'Happy New Year' ...Thou' it has not started out good at all...esp., yesterday....shocking/shameful!!!!
 
Have been occupied with the unexpected...but I do have a few "new"(to me) wildies to get going.
 
Definitely not to grow for sauce...the production is not up for that...lucky if you get some to bear fruit in yr #1.
My most productive plant was the Galapagoense of all wilds...that was extremely gratifying.
I've shared seeds with many so I hope to keep the "LINE" going..so Paul if you're looking for anything in particular give a shout...
 
The number one criteria for growing wilds is Patience...did I say Patience....as in many weeks/months..then the fun begins when that
special seed "POPS" :dance:
 
Good Luck this yr with all the grow Paul & stay safe! ;)
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Yes, Happy New Year, indeed. Apart from yesterday's
debacle in DC, it has been a good first week  :rofl:
I hope you are okay with all that is going on. Will you
be able to get vaccinated? I hope so.
 
Glad you had good luck with the galapagoense. I have
only grown on one occasion w/o much success other
than foliage. That being said, I am searching for both
galopagoense and rhomboidium seeds, as somehow
I never really got any decent seeds from mine, and lost
track of the ones I had :oops:  Thanks for your offer. Same
for you - I'm posting everything I have in a post or three. 
 
I am really looking to a wiriwiri Grow Log 2021! Can't wait
to see your 'newbies'.
 
Tybo said:
Paul, Im planning on growing a few wilds this season.  Should I post their progress here instead of my glog?  
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You are most welcome to post them here all you like, Ty. 
The more the merrier. Your input is appreciated.
 
For myself, I post some Purple Thunder pics, for example,
in my Grow Log, but the majority  go in the dedicated
community thread. You can suit yourself. I look forward
to seeing your results.
 
Siv said:
Well I'd be happy to give a few a go - I have plenty of space! 
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Appreciate your willingness to join in, Siv.
 
I am strapped for space this season but I would definitely be interested in helping out for the future grows. With the industry focusing on the latest and greatest hybrid or the new hottest pepper, I agree that many of the lesser known varieties are at serious risk of either being lost or bred into oblivion.
 
Edaxflamma said:
I am strapped for space this season but I would definitely be interested in helping out for the future grows. With the industry focusing on the latest and greatest hybrid or the new hottest pepper, I agree that many of the lesser known varieties are at serious risk of either being lost or bred into oblivion.
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That is, sadly, a general problem in agri/horticulture. Focus there is mainly on production and economical aspects dominate variety selection. The problem is being increasingly recognized, however, and there are some interesting and worthwhile initiatives. Some vendors prefer to sell heirlooms, there are dedicated seedbanks, ... In the end, preservation of historic varieties is important to improve (and guarantee) genetic diversity. I believe that wild tomato species even form an important genetic pool for the creation of new disease-resistant tomato cultivars.
 
My personal motivation to grow wilds is "general interest and curiosity". I prefer to have 50 different chile varieties, rather than 50 plants of the most delicious variety.
 
This my inventory of wild varieties. I would
be up for some swaps for other wild seeds.
 
Wild Seeds/pods, dates and sources:
(Source PtMD989 represents ‘PtMD989 via Bhuter via fiogga’)
 
2013-15:
Wild Brazil 2013 - GaGrowhead
Wild Brazil 2014 - c. baccatum var. praetermissum - Stc3248 2012
Yellow chiltepin 2014 - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - CPI
*Goat’s Weed 2014 - c. annuum - Venezuela, Stc3248 2012
c. chacoense 2014 - ?
 
2019:
CAP 212 - c. chacoense L. - catchthebear seed train
Cumari Pollux - c. praetermissum - Brazil,  “         “ purple flower
CGN 22835 - c. chacoense - Brazil, catchthebear
CGN 24360 - c. chinense - BB Habanero,     “          “
SSE 2090 - c. chinense - Yellow Jellybean, PtMD989
c. chacoense - ?
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - orig. CPI 2012 my pod
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989
CAP 1446 - c. chacoense - PtMD989
CAP 1478 - c. praetermissum - CaneDog purple flower iso
Wild Texas Tepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Crafty Fox seed train
*African Devil Piri Piri - c. frutescens - Crafty Fox seed train
*Goat’s Weed - see 2013-15 above
Pequin - Chihuahua Mexico - ? seed train
 
2020 - all my pods - some seeds from 2019 list,
  others new varieties, a few of orig. seed left. All OP:
Chiltepin Rojo - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989
CAP 691  - c. chinense - Red Fire, PtMD989
Texas Tepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Crafty Fox
Rocopica Brown - c. praetermissum F2 - CaneDog
c. cardenasii USDA - CaneDog
c. chacoense v Exile - PtMD989
c. chacoense PutaPario - Argentina, CaneDog
c. eximium - CaneDog
PI260501 - c. chinense - Yellow Jellybean, PtMD989
CGN 24360 - c. chinense - BB Habanero, catchthebear
Capucinno Chiltepin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - Semillas la Palma
Yellow Pequin - c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989, orig. Smokemaster
CGN 22795 - c. praetermissum - Semillas la Palma white flower
PI 238061 - c. baccatum v Baccatum - Bird Aji, PtMD989
Amarillo Chiltepin -  c. annuum v Glabriusculum - PtMD989, orig. Romy6
CAP 1141 - c. praetermissum - Brazil, CaneDog 
*Wiri-Wiri - c. chinense - true, wiriwiri via CaneDog
 
*Not really sure if these qualify as ‘wilds’, but I think of them that way and    
 store the seeds together because they seem unique to me.
 
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c. eximium
 
Edaxflamma said:
I am strapped for space this season but I would definitely be interested in helping out for the future grows. With the industry focusing on the latest and greatest hybrid or the new hottest pepper, I agree that many of the lesser known varieties are at serious risk of either being lost or bred into oblivion.
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Anytime you decide to grow some wild varieties,
feel free to post here, J.P. Hopefully the thread
will be here for at least the near future.
 
ahayastani said:
My personal motivation to grow wilds is "general interest and curiosity". I prefer to have 50 different chile varieties, rather than 50 plants of the most delicious variety.
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That is a great reason, Dieter! I really hope you will
post some of your wilds grow progress this season.
 
CaneDog said:
Great idea Paul.  It's harder to find true seeds and would be great to confirm, bank, and share varieties along with sharing information. 
 
Plus cool pic's too, of course  :)
Some repeats from the 2020 season
just to provide some color to the pages
of text!
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Thanks, CD. If people decide to list and post
on this thread, we could do something like
that starting right away. Pics to help identify,
and isolated seed swapping for extra fun. 
 
Going to try to ramp up my isolating game if
I can. Be great to have a Pepper Guru type
set-up! Going to have to put some thought
into that. Maybe using much smaller pots to
create bushes easier to encase in isolation
bags.
 
Hope to see you here a lot, mister!
 
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