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2018 - The Farm

Well, I've been gone a few years from the board, and away from growing peppers, but looks like life is pushing me back that way again. 
 
I recently (last month) closed on a 25 acre farm in Central Illinois with some primo soil, and I'm going to give a commercial grow a test run. 
 
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From up on the roof, when I was doing some roof repairs on the outbuildings. Not much as far as the eye can see, but cornfields...
 
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Has a 4 stall garage and a horse stable on the property
 
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Probably do my grow room upstairs here after I insulate it
 
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Built some doors for the horse barn and patched the roof last month
 
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Anyway just dropped a cold grand on seeds from pepperlover and buckeye, going to hit a greenhouse supplier up for other materials next week.
 
Have plans to build a 30x72' greenhouse in the spring, and a ~1200 sq foot dedicated grow room. Too late really to help with this year's grow, but next year it'll save me a lot of hassle on hardening off. 
 
The greenhouse, I am going to do a piped infloor heat slab, with a horizontal loop geothermal system (I own a mini excavator) that is solar powered. So heating should be nice, uniform, not create heat / cold bubbles, and not dry out plants like forced air would. I build circuit boards in my day job, so I will also build a microcontroller to handle the automated watering system with soil moisture monitors and actuated plumbing valves on the water supply.
 
Also plan on building a "deep winter" greenhouse for year round production. Got blueprints I made from a couple of years back, those are walled on three sides with heavy duty insulation, with the glass wall side angled to face winter solstice, so you can grow in the deep freeze months of the north. In the summer, those get hot enough to use as a natural dehydrator, replace the tables with racks for bulk drying.
 
Only doing a half acre or so of peppers to start with this year, the balance will be put in corn. I can't manage more than that with the labor I have available. (When you start talking thousands of plants, simple tasks like up-potting grow in to hundreds or thousands of man hours...)
 
Going to hire some local kids to help, school has a good ag co-op program for high schoolers, they can get school credit working on local farms. Since the plant out and harvest doesn't conflict too badly with corn, shouldn't have a problem finding labor around here.
 
Anyway, that's the plans.
 
We'll see how it goes.. er.. grows.
 
 
Man, it’s great things are finally coming together for you guys [emoji16]
It sounds like doing watermelon is worse than doing firewood [emoji6]


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PtMD989 said:
Man, it’s great things are finally coming together for you guys [emoji16]
It sounds like doing watermelon is worse than doing firewood [emoji6]


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Dude, yeah. You aren't kidding. I damn near passed out today at one point. Had to take a break. 
 
Harvesting watermelons on this scale when you don't want to damage the vines and keep them producing is a BITCH. I mean, a STONE COLD BITCH.
 
This isn't a little patch. This is a 120' wide by 220' long patch. About 2500 plants.
 
No walkways. Forget about even TRYING to do that. I had vines grow 20' long and put melons in the middle of my CORN. We had vines reach down and put melons in the DITCH. These things.. they are like that alien plant movie thing.. you walk out there, and all you hear is the field yell "FEED ME SEYMORE"
 
I said "Yeah, we'll leave 6' wide walkways between rows."
 
The plants .. well, they saw my plan, and they said "UHH, Yeah, sure thing dipshit, we'll leave you some walkways."
 
No, they didn't say that. They didn't even hear me when I said "there shall be walkways." In fact, you could leave TWENTY foot walkways and they'd still become part of the watermelon patch.
 
Anyway, so you tiptoe through this field, picking *each* footfall so you don't step on a vine (not trivial), inspect *every* melon to check the spoon leaf and tendril on the node it's attached to. If both have died back, melon is ready; so you cut the stem and pick it up. 

Well, hell, now you gotta walk BACK OUT OF THAT DAMN FIELD to the closest border. 50, 60 feet, some times tiptoeing so as not to break a vine or trip on a melon.
 
I kept the girls on the borders of the field, and would run a melon or two over to them, so they could run it back to a line-up on one edge or the other. One side we gotta load in to a cart and haul over to the road. The others are lined up on the road side of the field. 
 
The melons weigh an average of 14.25 lbs (at least that was today's average), with the heavier end being 25 lbs, and the smallest being 10-11. (Lots in the 12.5-13lb range today)
 
Well, the first few are no big deal. 
 
A few dozen in, you are getting tired of bending over to check melons, and even more tired of tiptoing the damn things through the field.
 
Lift enough 12.5-25 lb weights, long enough (2x each trip, that's 25-50 lbs per trip, and each trip can take a few minutes as you navigate the field)
 
BURNS the biceps man.
 
I can't even hardly lift a coffee cup tonight. Back is yelling at me, legs are shaky from all the kneeling and standing w/ weight, and my biceps were torched after the first hour and a half; by the three hour mark of doing this continuously, I was about done.
AND I STILL HAD TO PICK ALL OF THEM UP AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
 
Each melon you gotta pick up once after you cut it off the vine. 
 
Then half of them you pick it up again to load it in to a cart to get it out of the field to where there's a vehicle.
 
Then you pick 'em up to load in the vehicle, and drive the vehicle back to the wash building.
 
Then you pick them up AGAIN to bring them in and put them on shelves.
 
Then you pick them up AGAIN to wash 'em.
 
Then you pick them up AGAIN to put them on a drying rack.
 
Then you pick them up AGAIN to load them on to a pallet or in to a truck for market.
 
If you are going to a market, you gotta pick them up AGAIN to get them out of the van/truck and put them in to a cart.
Then you gotta pick them up YET AGAIN to put them on the table at the market.
 
And if they don't sell?

OOOOOOH BUDDY YOU GOTTA PICK THEM UP YET *AGAIN* to load them back in the truck!
 
And then drive to the farm, WHERE YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP AGAIN TO BRING THEM INDOORS AND RACK THEM!
 
And if they don't sell there?
 
YOU GOTTA PICK THEM UP *YET AGAIN* TO LOAD THEM IN THE TRUCK FOR THE FOOD BANK RUN!
 
And when you get THERE?
 
Yup, you got it. You gotta pick them up YET AGAIN to take them in to their holding area at the food bank so they can distribute it.
 
I AM SO MOTHER-EFFING TIRED OF PICKING UP WATERMELONS.
 
OH OH OH I FORGOT YOU GOTTA PICK THEM UP AGAIN TO WEIGH THEM AND PRICE THEM! THEN YOU GOTTA PICK THEM UP AGAIN AFTER YOU TAG THEM TO PUT THEM BACK ON THE SHELF!
 
Help me I'm in watermelon hell.
 
This was the FIRST big pick of the direct sow crop.
 
In two weeks we will have EIGHT TIMES this many to harvest.
 
 
The guy that sells watermelon at the farmers market here has all of his melons and corn on a car trailer and backs it up next to his easy ups. I imagine that saves him some of the lifting. They definitely aren't washed either.
 
Walchit said:
The guy that sells watermelon at the farmers market here has all of his melons and corn on a car trailer and backs it up next to his easy ups. I imagine that saves him some of the lifting. They definitely aren't washed either.
 
Neither of the markets we go to are set up so that I could do that, one is indoors, we have to pack everything in and out of the building by hand. The other is in a lot in a downtown area and there's no parking nearby, everything has to get hauled a hundred yards or so. And with it being in downtown area, there's homeless around constantly, I'd have to put a guard on my truck if I left it full of watermelons. One of the other vendors threw away some of their stuff after the last one, and before my wife left she took this;
 
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Wasn't our melons, we don't toss our stuff in other people's dumpsters. But no sooner did that other vendor toss out some stuff, some homeless guy dove in and pulled it back out.
 
Along with (apparently) every single one of a hundred legal textbooks that a lawyer had thrown out. No idea what the guy is gonna use 'em for.  
 
Genetikx said:
You could price them all the same to save 2 lifts :)
 
Not when their weight varies > 200%! I've got some $4 melons and some $10 melons. :)
 
Early on we priced our melons the same as they were pretty consistently sized - I hadn't yet learned to pick by "visual cue" but rather was thumping on them and picking them after they got to a certain size. All of the smaller ones got thrown away.
 
Now I look for the spoon leaf and tendril on the node to die back, and harvest. So now we get varied sized melons anywhere from 10lb to 25+ lb which are perfectly ripe.
 
If I get tired from work, I come home and read your thread. 
 
Then I realize I'm not tired 'cause I'm not a farmer!
 
Your breed works so hard but loves every moment (well... maybe not when you are in the moment... and carrying a watermelon).
You do everything right and are still at the mercy of so much over which you have no control.
 
Best of luck to you. Trent.  
 
My biceps and back are sore. VERY sore.
 
I went to sleep after work today, fell asleep about 6 PM, before dinner, woke up at 11:30 PM, body and brain both think I've had a full night's sleep.

So I'm going to be dog-ass tired all day tomorrow. "What time you get up? Uhh... 11:30 last night..."
 
Going to go cook myself a meal now, try not to wake everyone in the house up.. 
 
 
 
PodHopper said:
you're going to stock that pond with frogs?
 
They already stocked themselves! 
 
Since I dug that we have had an explosion of frog population in the organic pasture. And dragonflies. DAMN we got a lot of dragonflies now.
 
Once I expand it to 60x100' x10' deep, I'll stock it with something that likes to eat tadpoles. :)
 
Ok, bass for sure? Any concern for unwanted creatures...idk what kind of snakes or whatever are in your area. Weird that just a few hours south of me seems like a tropical crocodile safe haven lol
 
Genetikx said:
Ok, bass for sure? Any concern for unwanted creatures...idk what kind of snakes or whatever are in your area. Weird that just a few hours south of me seems like a tropical crocodile safe haven lol
 
Not really, we're kind of in a good place as far as animals go. No venomous snakes in our neck of the woods. Timber rattlers aren't in this area, neither are water moccasins. We get helpful snakes, big black rat snakes that can grow 10-12' long; some hognose pythons, garter snakes, etc. All great for rodent control. 
 
Bass and bluegill are the likely candidates, catfish won't breed in a pond, although they can be stocked. This little pond won't support much, even after I'm done digging it out, it'll only be .17 acres.
 
The bigger pond will be dug later, once I can get some bigger equipment in, probably over the course of several years. I was planning on (around) a 3.5 acre pond in the south part of the field that's prone to flooding. That'd let me stock thousands of fish.
 
One thing I've gotta figure out next year on the peppers; how to help mitigate flower abortion mid summer.
 
We got hit with some pretty high temps frequently between June-Aug, and the black ground cover didn't help matters much. 
 
Above 4th or 5th node, there's virtually ZERO pods - barren forks all the way up the plant, until you get to the brand new growth, which is starting to set some pods finally - like 8 or 9 forks in. I'm missing about 2/3 or more of the production on most every plant.
 
The earliest plants I put out, they're pretty well loaded, they developed *just* a little faster than the big rows of peppers. 
 
It sucks looking at these plants which are "loaded up to a point" then there's zero green pods on any forks for the next 3 feet of plant growth. Every last flower dropped off aborted. 
 
In the past I've got 4 or 5 picks off of every chinense, these? I've got two, and then there's nothing left to pick - the flowers that are on the plants, IF they set, I MIGHT get before first frost. 
 
Maybe. But it's very possible I'll get one big pick then "done" for the year?
 
 
Wow what a read...
I only joined THP a few weeks ago and read a couple of Glogs, some posts on making sauces, some other bits and bobs... THEN I hit this Glog! Good Lord what a massive effort you have invested into this whole venture. I literally haven't read anything else for the past week and have only just finished. Inspiring stuff indeed!
 
I guess I connected with this Glog from the start as I too am in construction (in South Africa). Your stuff has inspired me too and helped me with my little grow this year.
I transplanted my germinating seeds into a coco, perlite, vermiculite and manure fertiliser mix. Your diagnosis of the vermiculite not being pre-wetted and / or the fertiliser decomposing seems to have saved my peppers and tomatoes as I suspect I was getting root burn / rot. All sorted now and the plants are bouncing back after I changed it to a +- 60:40 coco peat : perlite mix (however I'm not going the organic route and I'm using hydroponic ferts now - going to give Kratky a go this year for both peppers and tomatoes).
 
It has been a thoroughly enjoyable read and I need to thank you for:
Always being honest and showing the good with the bad,
Giving us the details of all your experiments - I'm sure many of us have learnt a heap through this!
Showing us that hard work pays off
Plus a whole lot more!
 
Questions for you:
How is Scrawny doing? We haven't seen any pics of it in a while? Did it eventually bear fruit?
We need more gun pics (when you have time).
Are you going to get time to finish off the isolation sheds?
What happened to the 2nd well being drilled?
 
Damn I wish I was closer to you to order some of your produce. It looks amazing! Our choices here in South Africa are probably 1/10 of what you have over there.
 
Keep going and don't give up! Each time you almost threw in the towel - something good happened. Stay positive and plan towards next year. If this year was tough, next year will be tough for a whole bunch of different reasons (labour and harvesting issues with the up-scaled volume).
 
Best of luck!!
 
HydroPepper said:
 
 
Questions for you:
How is Scrawny doing? We haven't seen any pics of it in a while? Did it eventually bear fruit?
We need more gun pics (when you have time).
Are you going to get time to finish off the isolation sheds?
What happened to the 2nd well being drilled?
 
 
 
Thanks for the complements! 
 
Scrawny passed away without bearing fruit, unfortunately. It's life ended after it went fully determinate without any pods being set. 
 
I'll get on the gun pics thing.
 
The isolation sheds are cancelled, what I'm doing will be a little different. I have a high tunnel built (the one in this thread I showed, there will be 2 more going in this fall). That 24x96 high tunnel will be *exclusively* dedicated to hardening off plants in the spring, and growing isolated peppers. I'm designing it so that I can roll up the sidewalls on the plastic, and expose screen underneath, as I dual-tracked the sidewalls with wiggle wire track. The endwalls will likewise be dual purpose, so I can pull off the plastic and install screen. Using 50 micron screen which is good even to keep thrips, whiteflies, and aphids out. By ventilating it in such a fashion I should be able to control the heat without as much of an issue, and ideally, leave the plastic on (with the ends and sides having screen, should let a fair amount of heat exchange happen.)
 
So next spring, I will have a hothouse early on for hardening off plants while it's still cold out, letting me get them out faster, and after those go out I leave the ones I want to isolate in there and pot them up to bigger pots.
 
It's already plumbed with irrigation so that part is done.
 
Second well was drilled, we hit the top of the aquifer at 80' and the well extends another 40' down in to the aquifer. We haven't put it in service yet; still gotta trench electric to it, etc, but it will be completed and functioning this year.
 
Hard working ladies
 
Took a couple hours to lug them all out of the field, we were pretty wiped out so I brought the skid loader around to move 'em all back to the barn
 
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Oops
 
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Gave Jerika (future daughter in law) some driving lessons after
 
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She didn't kill any vehicles or people so good deal!
 
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