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2018 - The Farm

Well, I've been gone a few years from the board, and away from growing peppers, but looks like life is pushing me back that way again. 
 
I recently (last month) closed on a 25 acre farm in Central Illinois with some primo soil, and I'm going to give a commercial grow a test run. 
 
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From up on the roof, when I was doing some roof repairs on the outbuildings. Not much as far as the eye can see, but cornfields...
 
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Has a 4 stall garage and a horse stable on the property
 
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Probably do my grow room upstairs here after I insulate it
 
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Built some doors for the horse barn and patched the roof last month
 
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Anyway just dropped a cold grand on seeds from pepperlover and buckeye, going to hit a greenhouse supplier up for other materials next week.
 
Have plans to build a 30x72' greenhouse in the spring, and a ~1200 sq foot dedicated grow room. Too late really to help with this year's grow, but next year it'll save me a lot of hassle on hardening off. 
 
The greenhouse, I am going to do a piped infloor heat slab, with a horizontal loop geothermal system (I own a mini excavator) that is solar powered. So heating should be nice, uniform, not create heat / cold bubbles, and not dry out plants like forced air would. I build circuit boards in my day job, so I will also build a microcontroller to handle the automated watering system with soil moisture monitors and actuated plumbing valves on the water supply.
 
Also plan on building a "deep winter" greenhouse for year round production. Got blueprints I made from a couple of years back, those are walled on three sides with heavy duty insulation, with the glass wall side angled to face winter solstice, so you can grow in the deep freeze months of the north. In the summer, those get hot enough to use as a natural dehydrator, replace the tables with racks for bulk drying.
 
Only doing a half acre or so of peppers to start with this year, the balance will be put in corn. I can't manage more than that with the labor I have available. (When you start talking thousands of plants, simple tasks like up-potting grow in to hundreds or thousands of man hours...)
 
Going to hire some local kids to help, school has a good ag co-op program for high schoolers, they can get school credit working on local farms. Since the plant out and harvest doesn't conflict too badly with corn, shouldn't have a problem finding labor around here.
 
Anyway, that's the plans.
 
We'll see how it goes.. er.. grows.
 
 
/\  I'd like to "like" that post a couple extra times!    Thanks for taking so much time with this thread.  Very interesting read, Trent.
 
Well, all of the plants are officially dead as we had widespread freeze overnight. 
 
We're still working until midnight every day getting pods prepped for freeze or dehydration, and we've been busy harvesting seeds. I'll do some test germs next month then stick some up for sale on our store once germ rates are known (and send those who sent me seeds some back, if they want them!)
 
The really hard work begins soon as the plants desiccate a little; field clean up. Going to be a rough couple of weeks pulling posts, irrigation, ground cover, etc. 
 
Last of the bounty pics and a pic of 'destructive harvest' from last week
 
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Rows of pulled out plants stacked man high, will cart them off with the skid loader later to the compost pile.
 
Amazing how much went unharvested this year. We harvested *maybe* 10% of the crop? If that? 
 
 
Oh man, look at all those chilis not being picked :neutral:
But when you come to this amount of pods, there's nothing you can do. Another season, another grow.
Great glog Trent. Been reading with my jaw down almost every time :eek:
I hope the cleaning up will go according to plans. Good luck.
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TrentL said:
 
Oh man, I dunno. We had 10x as many as we actually harvested hit the ground. The vast majority of 2500+ plants never got picked, once. When I was ripping out numex there were plants with hundreds of pods on them.
 
Based on a rough estimate of 150 pods per plant (which might be very much on the low side since some plants had 500+ pods on each one, criolla sella, orange thai, etc) we had north of 375,000 peppers in the field. I'd wager it was closer to 1/2 million peppers.
 
That is a staggering amount of peppers to get our home / hobby gardener minds around.

Thinking forward... this was a test year and the following years you were planning on ramping up production. Given the amount spoiled peppers and volume that didnt get picked this year, I hope you have a plan B for how you intend to cope with bigger volumes going forward.
I know you can increase staff numbers easily but that comes at a cost and it already sounded like you were battling to find quality labour this year.

Good luck for the final drying etc this year. Its been a hell of a ride following you. Kudos to you for sticking it out!
 
We managed to get everything in that last truckload processed before spoiling except for 1 bushel of habanero. Amazing how long it takes to process by hand. 
 
My deep freeze is stuffed to the gills, and the small dehydrators are still running 24/7. Definitely need bigger equipment to do this at any reasonable scale. Too labor intensive to do it on a small scale (e.g. grinding powder - killed off my 2nd coffee grinder motor, need bigger equipment built to the task).
 
The Chinese BCS180 hammer mill for making powder (40 mesh) was quoted at $2700. 
 
Their BCS300 for doing flake (100kg/hr! jeez that's a lot of flake) was quoted at $4000.
 
Their dryers range in price from $3900 (for a 1 cart model) to $15,900 (for an 8-cart model, that is 14.8 feet long)
 
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Note you roll the carts of prepared trays in to the oven dryers.
 
They can be set from 20-160C (ambient to 320F). I prefer drying peppers at no greater than 140F because any higher you lose flavor and coloration.
 
The trays are 25" l x 18" w x 1.7" deep. Would be able to fit whole pods on them, instead of slicing in to chunks as we do now with our smaller dehydrators.  Pretty much figuring 2 bushels per cart. 
 
HydroPepper said:
That is a staggering amount of peppers to get our home / hobby gardener minds around.

Thinking forward... this was a test year and the following years you were planning on ramping up production. Given the amount spoiled peppers and volume that didnt get picked this year, I hope you have a plan B for how you intend to cope with bigger volumes going forward.
I know you can increase staff numbers easily but that comes at a cost and it already sounded like you were battling to find quality labour this year.

Good luck for the final drying etc this year. Its been a hell of a ride following you. Kudos to you for sticking it out!
 
Well many peppers went to waste because we started picking to fill orders, vs. picking to stock inventory. We didn't have a high volume of sales so many peppers went unpicked. 
 
With proper drying / processing equipment, rather than rely upon on-demand sales of fresh produce for a 8-10 week stretch in August-September we could instead plan on harvesting everything and drying / processing as we go. That way we can still do fresh pod sales (pulling from inventory) and process everything else in to flake / powder on an ongoing basis. We could have (easily) harvested 100 more bushels this season than we did. 
 
One person can keep up with 4,000-5,000 row feet of peppers in a standard work week (picking), and effectively pick 8,000-10,000 row feet because you need to let the plants 'rest' a couple weeks between picks (for more ripe pods...)
 
This year we effectively only harvested peppers 1 1/2 days a week; half a day Monday morning for internet orders, half a day Tues morning for wholesale / wednesday market orders, and half a day Friday for the Saturday market. So very little time was actually spent picking peppers (30 man hours a week, maybe?) The balance of the time was tomatoes, okra, cucumbers, beans, watermelons, and so on.
 
If I had one person dedicated to picking they could easily pick every ripe pod in the field at the scale we had today. Another person would be required for processing (loading dehydrators, running the mills, and processing / packing the powder & flake).  
 
So really the entire pepper operation on that scale is a 2 man /woman job if I had the right equipment in place for processing. 
 
Deep freeze (a walk in freezer) will turn the pods to mush when they are removed from the freeze. Then they effectively mush when loaded in to the dehydrators. No need to "cut" anything as the cell rupture will do that *for* us. We'd be loading frozen pods on to trays and sticking in to the ovens, no processing required at all. Just wash, freeze, load on to trays, stick in to the oven @ 150 for an hour or two (depending on pod size) to pasteurize, reduce temp to 140 until dehydrated, take dried pods out, then grind and pack.  
 
So much less labor intensive than slicing pods up. Plus far less risk because the less you handle produce the less chance there is of introducing a pathogen.
 
That, and it was VERY F'N UNPLEASANT slicing up reapers / brainstrain / etc. Even with a respirator on ... 
 
ETA: 
 
A more efficient process would be wash / load on to trays / freeze / take frozen trays and load in to oven. Would take a little longer to heat up to 150 but it's going to be a several day process anyway to dry whole pods.
 
 
Well, one final setback for the year, we're losing our only remaining experienced employee. Our daughter-in-law is moving to Chicago with my son as he accepted a job offer up there. 
 
So we're back to square one, just me and the wife. 
 
We'll need to scale back some next year to keep a handle on it all.
 
 
Well you just have to train your little one on how you need things done[emoji16].
It kinda sucks, you teach your kids to be independent, then they actually do it and move away [emoji853].
How much longer before your grand baby makes his/her grand appearance?


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PtMD989 said:
Well you just have to train your little one on how you need things done[emoji16].
It kinda sucks, you teach your kids to be independent, then they actually do it and move away [emoji853].
How much longer before your grand baby makes his/her grand appearance?


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Dunno, there was talk of daughter coming back home for Christmas, but now sounds like she's going the other direction up to her moms in Wisconsin.
 
Still haven't actually seen my granddaughter. Just a couple of pictures my wife got over text.
 
My daughter didn't leave on good terms, wasn't at all happy with the tattoos, facial piercings, lying, etc last year and tossed her out.  She went off to college, moved in with her boyfriend, and got knocked up right off the bat, ending her 4 year university plans before she was even 19.. 
 
So don't know if / when I'll ever see the grandbaby.  Parting ways wasn't on the best of terms and .. yeah. It's complicated.
 
Looks like I have some free time to catch up on your posts I've missed. THR is offline migrating the database. :shocked:  I already feel withdraws. :D 
 
Trent,
Thanks for the fantastic read and peppers I ordered from you were off the charts.  Let us know when you have seeds available.  I'm looking forward to ordering some new favorites.
 
m1hagen said:
Trent,
Thanks for the fantastic read and peppers I ordered from you were off the charts.  Let us know when you have seeds available.  I'm looking forward to ordering some new favorites.
 
I'll be doing test germinations starting this weekend, should have seeds up for sale in a couple weeks, depending on how that goes!
 
Would those seeds be stable? By those I mean the ones up for sale and the ones that you're testing

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SpeakPolish said:
Would those seeds be stable? By those I mean the ones up for sale and the ones that you're testing

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They're open pollinated, so no guarantees! 
 
I'll be planting them out myself next year at the farm. 
 
In others, lots of fun!
 
Let us know when the seeds are in your store.
TrentL said:
 
They're open pollinated, so no guarantees! 
 
I'll be planting them out myself next year at the farm. 
 
 
Orekoc said:
In others, lots of fun!
 
Let us know when the seeds are in your store.
 
 
Yeah we know what the mother is, father will be unknown in each. 
 
They *should* be pretty stable given the cucumber blocks drew away all of the bees.

But we'll see.
 
Right now I'm trying to wrap my head around cannabis sativa seeds being $21,500 per pound. (!!!!!!) 
 
(Illinois passed industrial hemp and I'm looking at a CBD crop next year, if I can get a research program approved)
 
Cbd... I'm not convinced on the health benefits. Rick Simpson was curing cancer with his extract, and his recommendation was to get the strain with the highest thc you could get. It seems like these cbd products are gimmicks to me.

I was in Missouri the other day and my friend bought some cbd chocolates that looked like little buds. Pretty cool, but like 50 bucks for a little jar, and I didn't notice feeling any better lol. They also had 230g bags of flower for 1200 bucks. And extracts that you could dab.

Definitely some money to be made, but I just don't think its the miracle its said to be. I could be wrong.
 
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