CaneDog 2025 Indoor/Outdoor Glog

Seems like it's been forever since I made a glog post, but 2025 is right around the corner and as someone once said, it's never too early to get started! Last year was a tough year with aphids getting into my early season starts and generally cool sucky weather, so I'm hoping for better in 2025. I'll kick things off with some pic's of my current indoor grow, which I've taken over the past couple/few weeks.

First up is a Scarlett's Chili x Poblano. They're cool looking plants with great tasting mild peppers. I'm doing a lot of work with Jalapenos and planned maintain this variety going forward while also backcrossing it a bit toward its jalapeno roots.

Another Jalapano type I have growing inside is Chile Rayado. I like how fuzzy these guys are. In addition to needing more true seeds, I want to cross it with both zapotec and orange spice jalaps.

Farmers Market Jalapeno. Another fuzzy type. Somehow I've gone forever without growing these before. I'm impressed with how vigorous and robust they are.

Mayan Cobanero. Another first time growing for me. I've been keeping it in a solo to rein in its growth, as I often do indoors, but shortly after this pic I saw it start to bud/fork so I moved it up into a 5.5" pot to fill out.

Baccatum Fragilis, with its rather unique mutated look.

Rhomboidium. After my OW finally died, I had only old-ish seeds to start again so I planted a bunch. I ended up with almost a dozen of these guys so had to cull them back. This guy was one of the lucky few that made it.

Rocoto Manzano Amarillo Ollantaytambo. Some of the rocotos haven't been too happy being restricted in solo cups, but they're looking good and still staying fairly small after getting upped to 5.5's. This guy still shows a little chlorosis on its lower leaves, but seems happy enough.

Anyhow, enough for now.
Cheers!
CD

 

[CaneDog]

Hey CD. It's been quite a while. Glad to see you still growing these PollenNut peppers. Looks like you have a nice grow coming along.
And those Galapagoense at 90+ days to germinate! I don't know if I would have had the patience.
I wish you a successful grow this year.

Hey, Tybo - it has been while. Hope things are good with you and you're having a merry Christmas.

 

[CaneDog]

Quick update and some photos.

I've had a few recent additions to the indoor crew. I planted 2 each of the Jalapeno Zapotec x Chile Rayado and the Jalapeno Zapotec x Orange Spice Jalapeno. All 4 showed themselves yesterday and are hooking nicely today.

Zapotec x Rayado F1

Zapotec x Orange Spice F2

I'd been having hard luck germinating the Jeromin (no sprouts despite some patience over two attempts) when finally a little helmet head popped up at 31 days. I managed to work the seed coat loose and, though it's looking pretty ugly from the rapid dehydration, I think it's going to be fine.

Last of the new additions I'll cover are these Kanthari. I grew this last season and it was a beautiful plant, but late and as soon as it got chilly out it shut down and died. This higher cold sensitivity is something I see more often with frutescens varieties. Anyhow, I'll have an early start this one this year.

This is an cross of two hotter Hatch varieties - Lumbre XXX x Rattlesnake. Thanks to @Voodoo 6 for the Lumbre seeds. I took the other flowers off the Lumbre XXX when I crossed it since it's a small plant and I didn't want the crossed flower to have competition setting. It's blooming again now so the plan is to let it set two more pods so I'll get true seeds.

This is the Rattlesnake. I let it set 3 pods when it flowered and will likely prevent any more from forming to keep these bigger. Both the Lumbre and Rattlesnake are in Solo cups and I'm not planning to transplant them up anytime soon unless I have to.

Kinda cool looking rattlesnake pod

I noticed my Lesya is just about ready to flower. I'm planning to cross it with the ADD x TD F3, which are also just about to flower. Lesya is a really good sweet pepper, so I just through I'd throw it into the mix with the ADD x TD's and see if it did anything spectacular.

I culled the Verde tomatillo, but the Malinalco has been getting after it lately so it's getting another chance. It's been hidden in the back behind a few rocotos and it seems to like it there. Nice new pod and one or two of those flowers look like they're setting. It's interesting, I read everywhere that tomatillos don't self-pollinate, must be planted in pairs, etc., but they seem to produce fine for me inside and even if I have only one plant.

Many of the rocotos are starting to blossom and flower. That's a Puno Pica Orange in the photo above - blossom on the far left. The Ollantaytambo, below, just opened its first flower. The Giant Yellow and San Pedro Orange are getting busy, too. In additional to those, I have an Aji Largo and an Orange Arequipa (which are growing back again after post-production pruning) and a couple brown varieties, which are younger and probably still a few weeks from flowering. I used to have a terrible time getting pubescens to set pods indoors, but since I've changed my lighting to the HLG 100 Rspec's they set with no reluctance at all.

Manzano Amarillo Ollantaytambo

Last photo for today is this Vera Cruz Frutescens. This one seems well-suited to an indoor grow, producing lots of small red pods that are hot and tasty. I got the seeds for this one from Indiana_Jesse (thanks Jesse!) along with a few really cool Indian varieties, including the Kanthari in the photo above.

Cheers, CD

 

[ahayastani]

I culled the Verde tomatillo, but the Malinalco has been getting after it lately so it's getting another chance. It's been hidden in the back behind a few rocotos and it seems to like it there. Nice new pod and one or two of those flowers look like they're setting. It's interesting, I read everywhere that tomatillos don't self-pollinate, must be planted in pairs, etc., but they seem to produce fine for me inside and even if I have only one plant.

Tomatillo requires cross-pollination for fruit set, but not all members of the genus Physalis are self-sterile. Perhaps Malinalco is not a Physalis ixocarpa cultivar or variety, but rather a different Physalis species.

 

[Marturo]

Tomatillo requires cross-pollination for fruit set, but not all members of the genus Physalis are self-sterile. Perhaps Malinalco is not a Physalis ixocarpa cultivar or variety, but rather a different Physalis species.

Last year our Chupon de Malinalco was loaded with fruit & flowers by plant out date. this is the last year I will start Tomatillos early.

I will start them in ground from now on, once they get a foot tall they start to set fruit. Why start them early?​

 

[CaneDog]

Tomatillo requires cross-pollination for fruit set, but not all members of the genus Physalis are self-sterile. Perhaps Malinalco is not a Physalis ixocarpa cultivar or variety, but rather a different Physalis species.

A quick search suggests the Malinalco is Physalis ixocarpa, but I didn't confirm that. I may have to pay more attention to this going forward. I've grown or at least started the verde, amarylla, and malinalco varieties indoors and all three have set fruit before going outside. I don't remember which ones were totally isolated at the time they set fruit, but at least one was grown totally alone. I don't see evidence of cross pollination growing inside, so I think occurrence would be low. They're quick producers. Maybe I'll grow some single plants inside and see if they produce and the seeds is viable, etc.

Last year our Chupon de Malinalco was loaded with fruit & flowers by plant out date. this is the last year I will start Tomatillos early.

I will start them in ground from now on, once they get a foot tall they start to set fruit. Why start them early?​

About the first things I learned growing tomatillos was they don't need to be early and just a few plants go a long way

 

[ahayastani]

A quick search suggests the Malinalco is Physalis ixocarpa

Which is exactly why your result is so interesting . Either everyone is copying wrong information, or the Malinalco variety has developed self-compatibility. Interesting either way.

 

[CaneDog]

Yep. Despite that a lot of gardening websites do merely copy/rewrite from the one(s) before them, I think I'd better track this process a little better to have confidence in my results. I remember there used to be a lot of misinformation about c. cardenasii being self-incompatible, despite that it will produce viable seed in isolation.

 

[SatanicFlatIron]

I remember there used to be a lot of misinformation about c. cardenasii being self-incompatible, despite that it will produce viable seed in isolation.

This is interesting. Is it possible that different C. cardenasii from different accessions differ in that trait? I also remember different opinions heard when we were talking about crossing ulupicas (also C. eximium) or getting rocopicas. Unfortunately until now my ulupicas didn't set flowers to try that in practice. I'm just curious.

Anyway, I'd like to try to plant a couple of tomatillos, still don't know if I'll be able to do that this year.
Is it a plant that may self-grow well in the garden? I mean, in raw soil, with rain waterings?
I like plants that are mainly autonomous, don't know if tomatillos can be a choice.

 

[CaneDog]

Perhaps. I've grown the USDA and the CGN 20497 cardenasii . I've bagged each of the varieties and had viable production, including this last season. My experience is that each is predisposed to out-cross with other purple clade varieties, if not isolated. I suspect this is influenced by the long style that extends the stigma well beyond the anthers reducing the likelihood of self-pollination without assistance. I've crossed the USDA variety with several rocoto varieties and an Eximium (CAP 1491). Interestingly, the curved willow-like branches were apparent in the eximium cross F1, but not in the rocoto crosses. I never experienced that any of these varieties or any rocopicas wouldn't self or cross within the clade.

Tomatillos might be a great choice. They're vigorous, quick-growing/producing, drought resistant, and don't suffer from the many maladies that seem to affect tomatoes. They'll benefit from support though, as the stems tend to be brittle and they'll load up with pods pretty heavy.

 

[SatanicFlatIron]

I've grown the USDA and the CGN 20497 cardenasii . I've bagged each of the varieties and had viable production

Good to know! I have the USDA one. I won't go crazy if only one plant grows.

Tomatillos might be a great choice

You convinced me thanks!

 

[CaneDog]

Here's a few photos from the indoor grow. Currently, it's rocoto season with 4 varieties flowering and 2 that have just started to bud.

Puna Pica Orange, growing very much out, not up. This variety is one of a couple I have with interesting off-orange colored pods.

Puna Pica Orange Flower

Manzano Amarillo Ollantaytambo

SLP's Giant Yellow Rocoto

I noticed a pod set on this Stuffing Scotch Bonnet. This guy's one a few plants that have suffered some edema after I reconfigured the grow.

I'm curious to see just how big the SSB pods will get on the small indoor plants. This one's off to a good start.

Lastly, the ScarPo is coming along fine and blooming again. I can't seem to get it to bloom in concert with any jalapeno I want to back-cross it with though, and I don't really want to hassle with storing pollen right now. Hopefully the stars will align soon.

Cheers!

 

[CaneDog]

Another quick update.

The indoor baccatum fragilis is forking (and looking fuzzy and bubbly). These guys are really slow developing and especially so in small containers with limited root room. I have it in a 5.5" now and had been wondering whether I'd have to move it up to a 1n size container to get it a little more depth. Looks like it's doing okay, so I'll see how this works for the time being.

The Jeromin sprout from post #22 above seems to be rebounding well. Despite that they're tiny, it has a healthy looking set of true leaves forming

Also, the Lesya started to flower, so the time was right to cross it with one of the Antep Aci Dolma x Tekne Dolmasi F3's. F3 might be a little early to throw another variety in the mix, but we'll see what happens.

Flower petals trimmed off. Short styles on these, with the anthers and stigma packed down tight. I don't see any pollen grains showing.

Anthers removed and ready for pollen.

I finally found some small paint brushes I like for pollination. I can no longer find the ones I used to use, but these work great and come in decent sized bags, cheap.

All set and ready to go back under the lights to (hopefully) set. I removed all the competing buds, leaving only this one and the one flower that already opened so I'd get some fresh true seeds for the Lesya.

 

[Plantguy76]

Seems like it's been forever since I made a glog post, but 2025 is right around the corner and as someone once said, it's never too early to get started! Last year was a tough year with aphids getting into my early season starts and generally cool sucky weather, so I'm hoping for better in 2025. I'll kick things off with some pic's of my current indoor grow, which I've taken over the past couple/few weeks.

First up is a Scarlett's Chili x Poblano. They're cool looking plants with great tasting mild peppers. I'm doing a lot of work with Jalapenos and planned maintain this variety going forward while also backcrossing it a bit toward its jalapeno roots.

Another Jalapano type I have growing inside is Chile Rayado. I like how fuzzy these guys are. In addition to needing more true seeds, I want to cross it with both zapotec and orange spice jalaps.

Farmers Market Jalapeno. Another fuzzy type. Somehow I've gone forever without growing these before. I'm impressed with how vigorous and robust they are.

Mayan Cobanero. Another first time growing for me. I've been keeping it in a solo to rein in its growth, as I often do indoors, but shortly after this pic I saw it start to bud/fork so I moved it up into a 5.5" pot to fill out.

Baccatum Fragilis, with its rather unique mutated look.

Rhomboidium. After my OW finally died, I had only old-ish seeds to start again so I planted a bunch. I ended up with almost a dozen of these guys so had to cull them back. This guy was one of the lucky few that made it.

Rocoto Manzano Amarillo Ollantaytambo. Some of the rocotos haven't been too happy being restricted in solo cups, but they're looking good and still staying fairly small after getting upped to 5.5's. This guy still shows a little chlorosis on its lower leaves, but seems happy enough.

Anyhow, enough for now.
Cheers!
CD

Great glog ive always wanted to do my own cross have had ideals just haven't got to it.
I decided on a Jalapeno cross can only do one project due to limited space going with Zapotec X Mucho Nacho F1
I will call it Fajra it will be a long journey but worth it in the end .
I am glad your going to cross the Rayado with Zapotec & orange Jalapeno those should be great crosses
Do you know anyone growing or crossing goat weed anymore I used to see it around but not much anymore
Anyway very interesting glog best of luck this season

 

[CaneDog]

Hey PG. Zapotec x Mucho Nacho F1 sounds awesome! If I were to have a knock against the Zapotec it's the smaller size, and the Mucho should bulk that up some, maybe like a Zapotec on steroids. It'll be cool to see what comes of it. Plenty of good eating to be had during the process as well.

You know, I don't remember hearing about goat's weed so much recently either. I remember PaulG was growing it maybe a couple seasons ago. Around that time I tried to grow a couple, but the seed I received was crossed out and neither grew true. Give it a year or two and it will probably be popular again.

Good luck this season!

 

[MarcV]

The Jeromin sprout from post #22 above seems to be rebounding well. Despite that they're tiny, it has a healthy looking set of true leaves forming

I have several jeromín pods growing right now, all isolated, so I should get lots of fresh isolated seeds soon. Just in case things go wrong...

 

[CaneDog]

I have several jeromín pods growing right now, all isolated, so I should get lots of fresh isolated seeds soon. Just in case things go wrong...

That's great. Sure am glad you did the work to wrangle these seeds and make them available!

 

[CaneDog]

Here's a little update on the Zapotec crossings. All 4 sprouts (2x Zap x Orange Spice and 2x Zap x Rayado) have been up for 12 days. I can see that each set of 2 resemble one another and are distinct from the 2 in the other set, so I think the chances are good that each of the 4 crossed properly. That should make me comfortable culling the lesser one of each at pot-up and saving some much-needed space, but realistically I don't see that happening.

Here's a side-by-side from the front. Zap x Rayado (right) are taller with more wispy stems and more downward drooping cotyledons.

Here's a top down side-by-side. The Zap x Rayado (right) have winging cotyledons versus the more evenly opposing ones of the Zap x Orange.

The last of the 3 pods on the Zapotec used in these crosses was hybridized with pollen from a Hidalgo Serrano, a pubescent serrano I'm fond of. The timing lined up well and I haven't had a jalapeno / serrano cross before, so I thought it might be interesting. It first started showing color yesterday and looks like it should be ripe soon. Once I get this last pod off the Zapotec it's going to get a good pruning, then I'll let it grow in peace for a while to reestablish itself.

 

[Plantguy76]

Hey PG. Zapotec x Mucho Nacho F1 sounds awesome! If I were to have a knock against the Zapotec it's the smaller size, and the Mucho should bulk that up some, maybe like a Zapotec on steroids. It'll be cool to see what comes of it. Plenty of good eating to be had during the process as well.

You know, I don't remember hearing about goat's weed so much recently either. I remember PaulG was growing it maybe a couple seasons ago. Around that time I tried to grow a couple, but the seed I received was crossed out and neither grew true. Give it a year or two and it will probably be popular again.

Good luck this season!

True guess I should got some then .
Thanks CD same to you

 

[Plantguy76]

Sorry double post

 

[Plantguy76]

Interesting crosses you got going on CD look forward to seeing your progress.
I have some old seed may be dead or not can't hurt to sow a few ....