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ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)โŒ16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)๐Ÿคž ๐ŸŒฑ 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)๐ŸŒฑ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)๐ŸŒฑ16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)๐ŸŒฑ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)๐ŸŒฑ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)โŒ16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)โŒ16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) ๐Ÿคฉ๐ŸŒฑ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)โŒ16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) ๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)โŒ16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)โŒ16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)โญ๐ŸŒฑ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)๐Ÿคž16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)๐Ÿคž16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.



A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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Just for fun, seen worse F1 seeds, C.chacoense x C.tovarii
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Chacoense x tovarii is a cross I've been considering for a while. I'm curious to see how it pans out for you :)
I've got a few more crossed pods waiting to ripen, so should have more F1 seeds on the way.

I noticed in the underlying dataset on the Reproductive Compatibility study last year that they got 40% (2/5) germination on their F1 seeds, no indication in the dataset if they were healthy F1 plants or not.

If of interest, I'm using CAP 1445.
 
Update on attempted C.rabenii x C.flexusoum crossing project. I'm staying positive and my odds might have just improved.

Possible F1 Plant 1 (37 days to emerge) - seeds from crossed pod 1
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Possible F1 Plant 2 (67 days to emerge) - seeds from crossed pod 1
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If it makes it up OK, now have Possible F1 Plant 3 (38 days to emerge) - importantly, seeds from crossed pod 5
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Longer odds of me failing to do the cross correctly on two different buds performed on two different dates. That's me being positive :lol:
Still very stacked against this having flexuosum in it but....
 
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First ripe pod from a few backcross plants I'm growing (#stripeystarfish F1 x Brazilian Starfish Yellow)
No other ripe pods on this plant yet to see if striping was inherited or not, same goes for the other plant.

I still intend to do #stripeystarfish project selection from the F2s I'm growing but ran this in parallel to give myself options. Again, I'd be happy to take this backcross line as an additional route to a Peach Starfish if things pan out that way.

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Bou

Extreme Member
Very thick flesh on this one!
 
Some better examples of hidden striping in the F1s on the orange breeding line of my #stripeystarfish project. An unripe pod on one of my F1 plants, it'll end up red but the underlying striping characteristics are more clearly visible. Should be good for non-red F2s although this specific F1 pod is one of the non-starfish shaped ones.

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As expected, those underlying stripes on the F1 of my orange based line which ripened to red are now revealed in the F2 population.

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The X005.B F2 plant that I overwintered, because of late ripening pods last year, is now repaying me for my efforts. I didn't grow on any of the other F2 lines.

Once past the initial pods it's now throwing pods at least twice the size of last year. They are also closer to my original idea of being like Fidalgo Roxa but with bigger pods. Really looking forward to seeing these bigger pods ripen up across the plant.

Looks much nicer in real life than my photos, it's lost the darker foliage as I moved it into a more shady spot.

Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero F2

Last years output from the the same plant for reference:
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Photos of the same plant a various points this year:

Awakening in April'22
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Back of flower in early July'22
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but plant still not branching much in early July'22
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By end of July'22 we have lift-off and the dark foliage returning
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Today, plenty of bigger pods now formed, better shape and could get even bigger. Colours looking nice as things start to ripen:
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Bou

Extreme Member
Looks promising ๐Ÿ‘Œ
 
Another unripe pod with heavier markings
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Now starting to ripen, liking the retained anthocyanin and distinct separation. Could I end up with anthocyanin striping and red striping in later gens?!?! I'd guess not as the red striping from Sugar Rush Stripey seems to be dominant when present based on my other crosses. That said, it did make it into some of the other F1 plants on this cross.

Should finish a nice light peach with purple markings, a week or two to go I think:

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Ended up with 3 separate F0 pods for this cross, healthy seeds in all of them. As of 14/8/21 have F1 seeds from each pod in germination to see if they are viable. If viable they will be a step forward in my attempt to get something stripey across into a Chinense.
Youโ€™re a freaking force of nature! Iโ€™m fascinated by these projects! Your attention to detail and complete documentation of everything is crazy impressive! - I will likely fall asleep tonight on page 19-20 of this GLOG.
 
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