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ChilliCrosser Crosses

I've opted to keep details of my crossing projects in this dedicated thread rather than include it in my 2021 Glog

Edited this post to summarise what crosses I've got and where they are at, I will try and keep it current. Dates in status column reflect when I've updated the information not when the cross was actually made. I've not included every historic cross I've ever made and ignores anything where I haven't got at least F1 seeds unless I thought it was useful to record. Information might be useful to someone at some point.
ChilliCrosser CrossCurrent Status
X001 : Bolivian Rainbow x Cheiro Roxa (C.Annuum x C.Chinense)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X002 : Fijian Bongo x Cheiro Roxa (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Only had a single F1 seed even though this was an intraspecific, strange result and the seed didn't germinate. End of cross project.
X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞 🌱 16/8/21: Had plenty of F1 seeds from the original F0 pods. First attempt to grow an F1 was ended when weather finished off the plant before any fruiting. Currently growing four F1 plants outdoors in the 2021 season. All looking healthy but concerned I've not seen any fruit setting yet. Possibly sterile but reserving judgement until the end of the season.
X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, no pods set yet.
X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)🌱🌶️16/8/21: Growing F2 plants, some initial pods setting.
X008 : Fijian Bongo x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds.
X009 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x C.Flexuosum (C.Baccatum x C.Flexuosum)❌16/8/21: Very small F0 pod set but zero F1 seeds. Inside of pod looked healthy. Lack of F1 seeds could have been due to pod size. One for me to try again at some point I think.
X010 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x [CGN21500 x Grao De Bode] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had 4 F1 seeds from a single F0 pod, only 1 germinated. F1 plant taken out by a storm. End of cross project.
X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🤩🌱🌶️16/8/21: Summary of wide range of phenotypes from F2 here. Currently have F3 seeds for all phenotypes and have been growing a batch of F3 plants for the red phenotypes outdoors this season, waiting on F3 pods from these so hope to have F4 seeds this year. Most likely to also grow forward the Apricot Peach phenos to stabilise.
X012 : Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Tasmanian Habanero (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)❌16/8/21: Had an F0 pod but no F1 seeds. End of cross project.
X013 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Variegated Jalapeno (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X014 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sweet Apple Kambe (C.Chinense x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: Single F1 seed, not grown on yet.
X015 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Scotch Brains XCP Chocolate (C.Chinense x C.Chinense) 🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X016 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Brazilian Starfish Red (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X017 : White Bhut Jolokia JW x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)❌16/8/21: Had 2 F1 seeds from a small F0 pod, both failed to germinate. End of cross project.
X018 : Brazilian Starfish Red x Peppacream (C.Baccatum x C.Baccatum)⭐🌱🌶️16/8/21: Started as an accidental cross. Starting to get ripe F1 pods with F2 seeds. Super tasty!
X019 : Clavo Peach x Sugar Rush Stripey (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🤞16/8/21: Had 3 F0 pods, each with healthy looking F1 seeds. Started germination for some F1 seeds from each of the F0 pods on 14/8/21, waiting to see if viable.
X020 : Scarlett's Chilli x Indian Chilli Bullet (C.Annuum x C.Annuum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X021 : Sugar Rush Stripey x White Bhut Jolokia JW (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)🤞16/8/21: First F0 pod was unhealthy inside, only 1 F1 seed formed which still looked non-viable, tried to germinate it anyway but no surprises when it failed. Have another F0 pod ripening, waiting to see if that's any better.
X022 : Clavo Peach x Brazilian Starfish Yellow (C.Chinense x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.
X023 : [BOC x Aji Pineapple] x Sugar Rush Stripey ([C.Chinense x C.Baccatum] x C.Baccatum)🅿️16/8/21: F1 seeds, not grown on yet.

FAQs
- Why so many crosses? Please check my username.

- Seriously, why so many crosses? I like to have plenty of F1 seeds available to pick from at the start of a growing cycle. For me personally it stops me wishing I'd made some more crosses 6 months ago and when a particular cross project hits a dead end or doesn't look interesting I have something else I can quickly switch to. You'll see quite a few interspecific crosses in my list, they are often doomed to failure so having a Plan B helps.

- Are you attempting to stabilise all of these? No, only ones which head in a direction I like.

- How many plants do you grow? 90% of my crosses are started on indoor plants grown in mini-hydro kratky jars, 240ml/8oz. Plants are kept really small and I typically only get one or two F0 pods to get F1 seeds from. So far I've normally grown two F1 plants if possible, plant numbers in subsequent generations depend on how much space I have available in each growing cycle.

- Isn't it better to just focus on a single cross? If you like all your eggs in one basket and you're not concerned with sequentially growing projects over a very long time period then yes. This is just a hobby for me so I like to keep it varied and fun whilst still attempting to stabilise my favourites.

- Why haven't you given your crosses silly names? That time will come as is traditional in the chilli pepper world. I likely won't bother until I have something vaguely stable and predictable, possibly F4 onwards.



A summary of my live projects where I'm growing plants as of June 2021 are:
  • X003 : Brazilian Starfish Red x [CGN21500 x 7 Pot Barrackpore] (C.Baccatum x C.Chinense)
  • X004 : Tasmanian Habanero x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X005 : Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X006 : Fidalgo Roxa x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X007 : Fijian Bongo x Aji Jobito (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)
  • X011 : Giant White Habanero x Fijian Bongo (C.Chinense x C.Chinense)

More details of where I'm at with generations, phenotypes, plants and photos in subsequent posts on this thread. Everything is early on and ranges from F1 to F3. I've also attempted some new crosses already this season so will also mention those.
 
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Starting to get a few more ripe pods on various F2s. This is another from my alternative orange based line on #stripeystarfish
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First F1 flower on one of my projects where I'm attempting to manipulate flower colours and patterns.
This is X047 F1 Plant 1 : (Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Sugar Rush Stripey) x C.rabenii
Nice and unstable, just need it to be fertile and give me some variation on flowers in the next gen. Growing more than a single F1 on all of these projects.
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First F1 flower on one of my projects where I'm attempting to manipulate flower colours and patterns.
This is X047 F1 Plant 1 : (Brazilian Starfish Yellow x Sugar Rush Stripey) x C.rabenii
Nice and unstable, just need it to be fertile and give me some variation on flowers in the next gen. Growing more than a single F1 on all of these projects.
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Slightly different flower on the other F1 from this cross, purple more widespread.
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Update on attempted C.rabenii x C.flexusoum crossing project. I'm staying positive and my odds might have just improved.

Possible F1 Plant 1 (37 days to emerge) - seeds from crossed pod 1
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Possible F1 Plant 2 (67 days to emerge) - seeds from crossed pod 1
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If it makes it up OK, now have Possible F1 Plant 3 (38 days to emerge) - importantly, seeds from crossed pod 5
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Longer odds of me failing to do the cross correctly on two different buds performed on two different dates. That's me being positive :lol:
Still very stacked against this having flexuosum in it but....

Update on the C.rabenii x C.flexuosum attempt :
- The seed that germinated from crossed pod 5 didn't make it, left it's seed casing in the rockwool and decapitated itself in the process. No more emerged from that batch as yet.
- No flowers yet on the oldest plant from the crossed pod 1 seed batch but getting close. However, there has been a sudden rush of seeds germinating from this batch which was started on 26th June 2022. I now have 10/10 germination on that batch.

Waiting on anything else germinating and seeing the first flower on the oldest plant for hints.
 
The X005.B F2 plant that I overwintered, because of late ripening pods last year, is now repaying me for my efforts. I didn't grow on any of the other F2 lines.

Once past the initial pods it's now throwing pods at least twice the size of last year. They are also closer to my original idea of being like Fidalgo Roxa but with bigger pods. Really looking forward to seeing these bigger pods ripen up across the plant.

Looks much nicer in real life than my photos, it's lost the darker foliage as I moved it into a more shady spot.

Fidalgo Roxa x Giant White Habanero F2

Last years output from the the same plant for reference:
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Photos of the same plant a various points this year:

Awakening in April'22
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Back of flower in early July'22
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but plant still not branching much in early July'22
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By end of July'22 we have lift-off and the dark foliage returning
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Today, plenty of bigger pods now formed, better shape and could get even bigger. Colours looking nice as things start to ripen:
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First of the bigger pods on this F2 plant now starting to ripen up
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I've now got my first pods from my small X034 F2 grow out : Sugar Rush Stripey (C.baccatum) x Pimenta Da Neyde (C.chinense).

F2 Plant 7 - this one doesn't have dark foliage or stems unlike some of the other F2 plants
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One pod ripened to full on red, the other pod showing a wide band/stripe. Both pods are fully ripe, so I think the lower is just exhibiting the same trait as the mother where some pods revert to solid red.

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Hotter than a Sugar Rush Stripey, nearer the PDN end of the scale. Some initial sweetness but then reverts to PDN type flavour with a salty hint to finish. Perhaps not as bitter as the F1 was, possibly as less anthocyanin on this plant. I think the pods would be bigger normally as well, these were from a small plant in a 1L square pot. Waiting to see if any of the other F2s give me anything in time.
 
Update on the C.rabenii x C.flexuosum attempt :
- The seed that germinated from crossed pod 5 didn't make it, left it's seed casing in the rockwool and decapitated itself in the process. No more emerged from that batch as yet.
- No flowers yet on the oldest plant from the crossed pod 1 seed batch but getting close. However, there has been a sudden rush of seeds germinating from this batch which was started on 26th June 2022. I now have 10/10 germination on that batch.

Waiting on anything else germinating and seeing the first flower on the oldest plant for hints.
On the wild goose chase, flowers opening on oldest F1(?) plant now.

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Flower from mother plant earlier in the year for reference
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I can only see subtle differences on the stamen colours, likely within normal variation. Same on the flower, where the next-gen plant seems to have more elongated buds than the mother. Can't convince myself the corolla pattern is that different. Plant growing habit, leaves and calyx all look like the mother. Smart money is still on this being my first F1 that's actually a self.
 
Now have a ripe pod.

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Barely visible striping on this F1 but, as with some of my other crosses, it is there and should be revealed in the F2s. The remaining anthocyanin on this pod also seems to be highlighting some underlying striping structure.

As with the reciprocal F1, which was peach, the flavour has improved versus the father as the bitter/salty PDN tones are not present in this F1. This red F1 is slightly hotter than the reciprocal peach F1.
A few more F1 pods from the same X044 plant as above.

Some more antho striping visible
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