Do I have another bacterial infection?

[Mildfruit]

Hi all, 
Last year I had to kill of all my plants due to a bacterial infection which had spread to all my plants in my grow tent. 
 
This year I have been very careful with both seeds and plants. I inspected one of my plants today and saw something I could only recognize as bacterial infection. 
 
Backstory, during cleaning I accidentally pushed this plant down and broke the stem about 80% through. With some remedies I got it upright and it seems to have survived. Now a small week later I see these spots: 

And from the top

 
The reason I mention the backstory, is I have a hope that maybe the stem break could be the reason for limiting some of the nutrients. Resulting in yellowing and necrosis as seen on the back of the leafs. 
 
Or is this a bacterial infection? As of now I have currently removed the plant from the tent.  

 

[CaneDog]

Hey MF.  Was sorry to hear about your plant breaking (edit: which variety is this guy?), but it looks like it's doing reasonably well - not like it went into instant wilt mode.  It seems to be showing other signs of deficiency, so that leads me to think it's most likely not bacterial, but I suppose a broken stem might be the kind of thing to give opportunistic bacteria a foothold.  It does seems wise to isolate it for a while if possible.  Seems logical as you say that a break could lead to deficiency, as water transportation of nutrients is impacted.  I don't recall a deficiency after breakage from my person experience, but it's easily the type of thing that could have happened temporarily and been forgotten.
 
Anyhow, hard to tell from my chair here, but it just doesn't look like a bacterial thing to me, at least not at this point.  Hope you got your bad luck out of the way and it's smooth sailing for you.  And certainly no bacterial resurgence!

 

[Mildfruit]

Hey MF.  Was sorry to hear about your plant breaking (edit: which variety is this guy?), but it looks like it's doing reasonably well - not like it went into instant wilt mode.  It seems to be showing other signs of deficiency, so that leads me to think it's most likely not bacterial, but I suppose a broken stem might be the kind of thing to give opportunistic bacteria a foothold.  It does seems wise to isolate it for a while if possible.  Seems logical as you say that a break could lead to deficiency, as water transportation of nutrients is impacted.  I don't recall a deficiency after breakage from my person experience, but it's easily the type of thing that could have happened temporarily and been forgotten.
 
Anyhow, hard to tell from my chair here, but it just doesn't look like a bacterial thing to me, at least not at this point.  Hope you got your bad luck out of the way and it's smooth sailing for you.  And certainly no bacterial resurgence!

'Thanks for the detailed response! 
It was a c. chinense Murupi amarela. Im glad you don't think this is caused by bacteria, at least that's a giant relief for the rest of the tent. Unfortunately I couldn't find an isolation spot without it getting to close to other peppers. I couldn't afford the risk, and ended up tossing it out :/ 
 
However, while it is a shame, the tent would have ended up getting cramped so I try to see it in a positive light. More room for the other plants  

 

[CaneDog]

'Thanks for the detailed response! 
It was a c. chinense Murupi amarela. Im glad you don't think this is caused by bacteria, at least that's a giant relief for the rest of the tent. Unfortunately I couldn't find an isolation spot without it getting to close to other peppers. I couldn't afford the risk, and ended up tossing it out :/ 
 
However, while it is a shame, the tent would have ended up getting cramped so I try to see it in a positive light. More room for the other plants

 
Shoot, that Murupi is a cool one.  But like you say, more room now.  If you decide you might to fill up some of that room with a rocoto start (I saw your post in the pube's thread, but couldn't think of a good answer as to why I like them so much; I just do) I have a good selection and would be happy to send you some seeds.  Feel free to PM me if you'd like.  I've had no problems with sending seeds internationally.

 

[D3monic]

I tend to get leaf spot while they are indoors and it typically goes away once I plant out. Looks like bls to me

 

[Pr0digal_son]

'Thanks for the detailed response! 
It was a c. chinense Murupi amarela. Im glad you don't think this is caused by bacteria, at least that's a giant relief for the rest of the tent. Unfortunately I couldn't find an isolation spot without it getting to close to other peppers. I couldn't afford the risk, and ended up tossing it out :/ 
 
However, while it is a shame, the tent would have ended up getting cramped so I try to see it in a positive light. More room for the other plants  

While I don't think this is a virus,I'm glad that you tossed this plant in the garbage. I've come to believe that growing is more about making less bad decisions than making more good decisions. It's a very basic process.

There are hundreds of threads on this forum dealing with diseases and also pests brought in from outside. The solution is as simple as starting a new seed! If seeds were limited for this variety I could understand sticking it out.

It's not even March yet,so plenty of time left. By the looks of that plants framework,you are more than capable of starting over and getting ripe pods. Good luck!!

 

[Blister]

The good news is that it's not a bacteria infection.

I had a look at your GLOG and see that you're using General Hydroponics Flora series. I use the same line and had the same issue. I've also been contacted by others using GH Flora that asked me about the spots, so it is reproducible with these nutrients.

I'm not sure why the nutrients cause this, but I have found that I can prevent the spots from happening by giving the plants a good flush every few waterings. You can use plain water, or buy an actual hydroponics flush.

The only thing I can guess is that the plants are experiencing a lock out and the issue is temporarily corrected by periodically flushing them.

As you can see in the picture I've attached, I have the same thing. The spots don't seem to affect the overall growth or production of the plant, but it does bruise my growers pride.

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[Mildfruit]

 
Shoot, that Murupi is a cool one.  But like you say, more room now.  If you decide you might to fill up some of that room with a rocoto start (I saw your post in the pube's thread, but couldn't think of a good answer as to why I like them so much; I just do) I have a good selection and would be happy to send you some seeds.  Feel free to PM me if you'd like.  I've had no problems with sending seeds internationally.

 
Thanks man, im always up for a seed swap! I was actually inspired by the pubes, so I went ahead and planted a variety from semilias called Mini Rocoto, so exited!  
 

I tend to get leaf spot while they are indoors and it typically goes away once I plant out. Looks like bls to me

It was my understanding that the infection was chronic, but nevertheless im in a position were I don't have a garden. So I couldn't risk anything .
 
 

While I don't think this is a virus,I'm glad that you tossed this plant in the garbage. I've come to believe that growing is more about making less bad decisions than making more good decisions. It's a very basic process.

There are hundreds of threads on this forum dealing with diseases and also pests brought in from outside. The solution is as simple as starting a new seed! If seeds were limited for this variety I could understand sticking it out.

It's not even March yet,so plenty of time left. By the looks of that plants framework,you are more than capable of starting over and getting ripe pods. Good luck!!

I appreciate your advice, and actually went ahead and replanted the seed. I agree with your way of thinking, and when I think about "starting a new seed vs risk a spreading infection" the choice is easy. 
 
 

The good news is that it's not a bacteria infection.

I had a look at your GLOG and see that you're using General Hydroponics Flora series. I use the same line and had the same issue. I've also been contacted by others using GH Flora that asked me about the spots, so it is reproducible with these nutrients.

I'm not sure why the nutrients cause this, but I have found that I can prevent the spots from happening by giving the plants a good flush every few waterings. You can use plain water, or buy an actual hydroponics flush.

The only thing I can guess is that the plants are experiencing a lock out and the issue is temporarily corrected by periodically flushing them.

As you can see in the picture I've attached, I have the same thing. The spots don't seem to affect the overall growth or production of the plant, but it does bruise my growers pride.

 
That picture is something I can easily recognize from some earlier plants I've had. Glad to know it's not something to worry about. I still think there might be a small difference in your picture and mine. With the "holes" in your plant being almost transparrent where mine seemed more "water soaked". Maybe we should reconsider our nutrient supplier 

 

[Blister]

 
Maybe we should reconsider our nutrient supplier 

I've been looking around at different nutrients, but there's so much out there that's snake oil, and a few that just plain work. I've mainly stuck with GH Flora because it's available nearly everywhere and it's cheap. I tried the 3 part system, but frankly have just as good results with using

4L RO water
1ml silica blast
2ml calmag+
6ml micro
9ml bloom
PH holds at 5.7

I mix in that order. I use silica blast in place of pH down since it does the trick and is something the plants can use anyway.

I have tried other nutrients, but none performed as good as plain old GH. The other nutrients were:

Canna Coco A+B
Botanicare CNS17 grow and bloom.


Neil




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