water hard well water or rain water for my peppers

It's a really simple question to answer.
 
1) if you're growing organically, never knowingly use any form of salts to water with (microbe death occurs)
2) if you're using synthetic ferts, salt away with your well water.  Your synthetic ferts are loving crafted from salts, anyway
 


chile_freak said:
my red clay, sure as hell isn't as mineral and nutrient rich as a jungle or rain forest floor, but I'm working on it!
 
Forest floors are rich in humus, but clay soils are incredibly mineral rich and fertile.  Loosening them up is the first step that's required.  I'd rather have a clay based soil than just about anything else. (clay is mineral particulate broken down to its smallest particle size) Get some humus in there and loosen it up.  Make sure that you have enough calcium for proper uptake. You really can't ask for a much better garden bed.
 
ikeepfish said:
I use well water when the plants need it.  As of right now they are getting rain water.  Probably too much of it.  We're having a very rainy late spring here and some of the plants aren't taking it well.  Looks like baccatum really enjoys it though more than the rest of them.  We are already in surplus of I think 9" for the year here and hurricane season hasn't even started.
 
its been raining here for 3 days, tomorrow will make 4, so far this spring we have gotten 512mm which is a little over 20 inches of rain. its getting to be ridiculous, but i have 8, 90 gallon barrels full lol. i have had to cover all my plants with trash bags, they are all in pots. 
 
solid7 said:
It's a really simple question to answer.
 
1) if you're growing organically, never knowingly use any form of salts to water with (microbe death occurs)
2) if you're using synthetic ferts, salt away with your well water.  Your synthetic ferts are loving crafted from salts, anyway
 

 
Forest floors are rich in humus, but clay soils are incredibly mineral rich and fertile.  Loosening them up is the first step that's required.  I'd rather have a clay based soil than just about anything else. (clay is mineral particulate broken down to its smallest particle size) Get some humus in there and loosen it up.  Make sure that you have enough calcium for proper uptake. You really can't ask for a much better garden bed.
Right you are sir, the red clay is spectacular for making a garden, my in ground tomatoes, cukes, squash, peppers and everything else do really really well in my garden, I have been amending my red clay bed for years w/ composted manure, compost, hardwood mulch, and pine bark mulch, as well as fish and seaweed emulsion, my plants get huge in the ground! But it takes a lot to get the clay ready to garden! Although the really great thing is that if you till about 18" down and amend water will sit on the clay layer below ur workable soil so the roots will try and stretch down to get to that water, at least that is how it seems!
 
so ive been looking and I can find compost/ewc, sphagnum peat moss in canada  and i can not find  red lava rock, kelp meal, Espoma Tomato Tone, alfalfa meal, crab meal, neem cake and glacial green rock dust. all though glacial green rock dust comes from bc canada, its not sold here? or at least i cant find it anywhere, i can have it imported from the u.s.a for $24 (50lb bag) and shipping would be 3 times that due to the weight. and the only red lava rock i can find is for bbq's,  so i guess ill go a different route  :mope: 
 
I'm sure there are probably some Canadian members who could give you some tips on finding that stuff...
 
If it was me, I'd be smelling a great opportunity to start up a business!
 
I feel for you with the hard water. As I said in another post: Breeding cichlid fish in "liquid rock" was just to their liking. Mine is 1200-1500 ppm depending on what time of year, etc. I've never felt it hindered my garden any. I'd been cautioned on using the softened water from the softener. Something about residual salt from the process of softening. Not sure if it was bs or actual fact.
 
WichitaChief said:
I feel for you with the hard water. As I said in another post: Breeding cichlid fish in "liquid rock" was just to their liking. Mine is 1200-1500 ppm depending on what time of year, etc. I've never felt it hindered my garden any. I'd been cautioned on using the softened water from the softener. Something about residual salt from the process of softening. Not sure if it was bs or actual fact.
 
if there is residual salt from the softener that you can smell or taste then it is time to replace your water softener, but that being said there could very well be trace amounts undetectable by the human pallet, and should not cause any harm in your plants if you give them a good soaking, every once in a while, the liquid ferts and nutes can cause a salt build up faster then trace amounts of salt they may or may not be in the water after it comes out of the softener. at least this is what many people have told me, both greenhouse and water softener professionals.   i miss my african cichlids they are an awesome fish, i had peacock cichlids and a cobolt blue zebra i think they called it and a bright orange variety 
 
magicpepper said:
so ive been looking and I can find compost/ewc, sphagnum peat moss in canada  and i can not find  red lava rock, kelp meal, Espoma Tomato Tone, alfalfa meal, crab meal, neem cake and glacial green rock dust. all though glacial green rock dust comes from bc canada, its not sold here? or at least i cant find it anywhere, i can have it imported from the u.s.a for $24 (50lb bag) and shipping would be 3 times that due to the weight. and the only red lava rock i can find is for bbq's,  so i guess ill go a different route  :mope: 
You can use perlite in place of the lava rock for an aeration amendment. You don't have to use all those ingredients if you can't find them. Any good organic all purpose fertilizer will work in place of Tomato Tone. Can you get alfalfa pellets at a feed store? Other rock dusts like basalt is fine if you can find it.
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
You can use perlite in place of the lava rock for an aeration amendment. You don't have to use all those ingredients if you can't find them. Any good organic all purpose fertilizer will work in place of Tomato Tone. Can you get alfalfa pellets at a feed store? Other rock dusts like basalt is fine if you can find it.
 
ok, that might be better, currently i have 40% perlite , 10% sphagnum peat, and 50% limestone screenings and 2 table spoons per litre of bone meal (7tblsp/gal)  as my growing medium,and i use miracle gro 24-8-16 for fertalizer, also mixed it into the soil but it wasnt much, i will take a look for alfalfa pellets at the local feed store, i believe they have some
 
magicpepper said:
 
ok, that might be better, currently i have 40% perlite , 10% sphagnum peat, and 50% limestone screenings and 2 table spoons per litre of bone meal (7tblsp/gal)  as my growing medium,and i use miracle gro 24-8-16 for fertalizer, also mixed it into the soil but it wasnt much, i will take a look for alfalfa pellets at the local feed store, i believe they have some
I wouldn't waste my time buying organic amendments if you are using Miracle-Gro.
 
Proud Marine Dad said:
I wouldn't waste my time buying organic amendments if you are using Miracle-Gro.
 
i was thinking for next year, that way all i had to do was worry about watering. and it would make it a lot easier for my father to get out there and water his garden at least, he is very forgetful and weak these days. i am the one taking care of him and his garden, but he waters it when he can and some times pulls weeds.
 
Thank god organic growers aren't fanatic snobs sometimes.... :P
 
What you can get is what you get to work with, what you have is what you've got.
 
Good compost/castings is the best place to start, everything else is bells and whistles. By good, I mean compost that wasen't produced soley as a means of recycling commercial waste, otherwise known as anything you buy in a bag. Any growing operation is usually fine with losing a bit off the top of their pile, and it will cost a fraction of storebought. Better yet, make your own if you have the space/materials.
 
Perlite is a love hate thing. Chunky is prime. You're close to (closer than me :P) the breweries and might be able to source rice hulls or other grain husks.
 
Kelp and neem are fairly easy to source these days from most farm and feed stores, and make a good base to work from. Calling ahead saves time (face palm) and you can get a handle on how receptive they are to ordering things in, without grievous shipping costs.
 
If you're going to rock the raw sphagnum, using a wetting agent is gold.
 
After that, all you need is a soapbox to preach from and a tall horse from which to look down your nose at the plebs :rofl:
 
magicpepper said:
so ive been looking and I can find compost/ewc, sphagnum peat moss in canada  and i can not find  red lava rock, kelp meal, Espoma Tomato Tone, alfalfa meal, crab meal, neem cake and glacial green rock dust. all though glacial green rock dust comes from bc canada, its not sold here? or at least i cant find it anywhere, i can have it imported from the u.s.a for $24 (50lb bag) and shipping would be 3 times that due to the weight. and the only red lava rock i can find is for bbq's,  so i guess ill go a different route  :mope: 
I understand that you are new to growing and you are trying to absorb and process all the information available here, what you need to remember is that you are trying to mix all of the different growing techniques you've read about to get a real headstart in your rooky season. What you need to remember, however, is that mixing several methods together can sometimes be detrimental to your plants. Think of it like this, all you really need to grow peppers is dirt, water and oxygen. Now that being said, container gardening is a little different, but still the same principles apply. You need something to retain water for the roots, something to aerate said mix and nutrients to help the little guys along. First off choose, organic, all natural, or chemical fert gardening. Next choose the base for your medium, this can be peat moss, topsoil, dirt from your yard, compost, etc. Then choose your aerator, this can be any number of things, red lava rocks,perlite, bark chips or mini- nuggets, even quartz or granite rocks or vermiculite(chunkier the better) or turface, there are too many to name! The next step is based on what u have chosen as your base and your aerator, you can decide upon your need for further amendments. Let's say u have chosen cheap topsoil and pine bark nuggets, then you will also want to a smaller aerator as well, such as perlite or vermiculite. You will also want to add some sort of nutrient rich amendment such as alfalfa pellets or worm castings or a bit of composted manure. If you use compost as your base, you will need less amending. If you are using peat moss, you will need a bit of amending. A good standard recipe is 60% base/30% aerator,10% amendments.(also peat moss is very acidic and u could use some dolomite to level out the pH) since you are using MG fertilizer, don't bother wasting money on organic amendments, because the MG is really giving u all the nutrients you need, just not in a natural form. I've seen decent plants grown in sh!tty topsoil from wally world w/ just MG certs. Really, the point I'm trying to make is all of us have been slowly working on our soil mixes over the years we've been growing and have perfected what works for us. While taking tips and pointers from the more experienced growers can help you grow by leaps and bounds as a grower, trying to amalgamite all of our processes together to get some sort of supermix could in the end be detrimental to your grow and cause you a lot of headaches and cost you a fortune! Just find a good mix to start with and work from there. Again feel free to contact me if you have any questions, lmk what you have available, and I will try to help you get yourself squared away!
 
so far the soil i have isnt even soil, its 10% sphagnum peat, 50% limestone screenings, and 40% perlite, and so far it has been doing great, for me personally i like the mix ive been using and all i have to worry about is nutes every other week or so, but it would be nice to not have to add nutes or any thing because it would all ready be in there
 
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