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miguelovic 2014 - A Greenhorns Trip into Organics

Hello all from the West Coast of Canada!
 
Usually a wordless forum lurker, but this place has de-shelled me a bit. I know a few of you so far and am looking forward to meeting, learning and growing along with everyone else. There is a hell of a lot of experience in one place and your strain lists are mind boggling :) Hehe already reminds me of the Mag
 
By way of an introduction, a rambling monologue.
 
I've always had a bit of a taste for firey foods, but what really sparked it off was a trip down island one year to a Goat Roofed farmers market. After an hour in front of the largest collection of hot sauces I had ever seen, I finally made a choice and headed to the register.
 
Somewhat confident in my choice, I double checked with the clerk to ensure I had grabbed the hottest one available, only to be told there were two brands they were required to keep behind the counter. Enter Cajohns Mongoose, exit tomato sauce.
 
I still miss that tiny little bottle, so many spicey roasted meats. So many machismos rolling around on the ground, dumb struck that a teaspoon of anything could overpower them.
 
Since then I have burned both holes in so many ways, so many places. Pure capsaicin is highly unrecommended, it has no flavour or redeeming quality other than mind blowing pain :D
 
And so after getting into growing as a career and hobby, it was only a matter of time before I went organic and ordered some seeds.
 
From PepperJoe.
 
Lesson learned, research things more :D
 
I learned to grow in coir commercially, with the obligatory collection of salty Kool-aid style plant food, so this is all Greek to me, but will surely be a stunning success. Aim high and settle for anything above total failure.
 
The starter soil, seeds and clones.
 
1 Part Peat/Coco 80/20
1 Part EWC/Compost 50/50
1 Part Perlite/Vermiculite 50/50
 
Trace alfalfa and kelp.
Limed and rock dusted.
 
Thoughts so far. Switching out peat for composted bark/fines, dropping the compost and never buying perlite/verm again. Subject to hypocrasy, availability on some products here is touch and go, and so far I refuse to pay for shipping.
 
General potting soil.
 
1 Part Peat/Coco 80/20
1 Part EWC/Compost 50/50
1 Part Perlite/Vermiculite 50/50
 
Amended with 2-3 cups per cubic foot of
 
1 part neem/alfalfa/cottonseed
1 part bone meal
1/2 part kelp meal
1/2 part greensand
Eye balled in some ground comfrey/stinging nettle.
 
Kept moist with left over tea and anything else of that ilk.
 
And is nitrogen heavy as funk. The soil was never intended for peppers as well. The plan so far is to mix in relatively fresh bark/wood mulch to tie up some nitrogen until the first crop is over, but that smacks of other thinking and I'll probably just bite the bullet, buy something, and butter it out a bit. Results will be awesome or painfully hilarious.
 
I started late, especially after the fiasco of feeding my first few seeds to the fungus gnat gods (pepperjoe comes in handy!)
 
Here are the survivors, circa late March, after sterilizing the soil with SM90 and the seeds with a mild peroxide soak.
 
Three popped! 10% Germ! The fogginess is the impenetrable shield wall I constructed to protect against FG
 
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And so I ordered a few more seeds, and am batting 7/7 now with a 24hour presoak, sown direct in soil. Below a group shot
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Black Zebra Cherry (Upon actual investigation, a terrible choice. Flavour described as "bland" or "average" :D) The undersides are almost completely purple.
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Bhut Jolokai (tomatogrowers.com) light purpling, raised the bulbs today
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Morouga Scorpions and 7Pod (in the front) Here I also discovered and quickly lost the shiney clean shooting filter on the camera
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Deadly chemicals and homemade toxic garbage
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Inspiring
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Lit by a slew of T8's, amended at the end of the outdoor season with stronger lighting. I would like to get LED, but the canopy will be thick and I've got a hard on for a Philips 400w CMH. Though like reality that will soften with time and age. I change my mind frequently and erratically as well, so we shall see.
 
The plants will be trained/pruned with some back of the head thinking that they are coming inside to finish and winter, some will be topped to observe results. Scraggly undergrowth is frowned upon.
 
I prefer DIY to prefab, and will be thieving everything I can from Mother Nature (like candy from a baby says I), everything from leaf mould to nettles.
 
And so, with limited plant count, the usual line up of newbie strains and foul ups and a firey love for growing my own poisons, we'll see where this heads!
 
The usual 3C's
 
Any criticisms, cwuestions and comments welcome :)
 
JJJessee said:
Soil mix looks pretty good to me. I might not use vermiculite in a GP mix, but I have for SIP buckets 
How long did you let the amendments cycle-in?
A few funky leaves, but plants overall look nice.
Good Work.
I think you've asked the right question with the amendments. Insufficient "cook time" can lead to those irregularities. Not usually a deal breaker, but I do believe that the plant's vitality in it's first few months of life determines its overall happiness in life. That's unproven, so take it with a grain of salt.

By the way, on a tangent, here - Vermiculite shouldn't be used in the SIP, due to its ability to retain water. I hate Perlite, but it doesn't hold water like vermiculite, so it's top choice. Perlite sucks up water, vermiculite holds it. Some purists don't like vermiculite in organics, but I do. It is great for holding onto nutrients. Bio-char is better, but I don't have a readily available source, and I'm not about to start burning trees just to get it. I do save my charcoal from the grill, and I screen it, though. Double reward, as I can re-use the unburnt chunks, and amend soil with the stuff that passes the mesh.
 
Dhfreak82 said:
Did you harden off and plant out? Hook it up with an update I'd like to see some supers even further north than myself haha. :D
 
Daaamn I knew I haden't updated in awhile, but a month? XD I'll upload some pics later today. They stalled out for awhile ie. some sort of root rot or fungus :tear: It started on the maters and spread to the peppers, still unsure if it was soil or foliage based as I treated both simutaneously. They've been outside for a little over a month now.
 
 
JJJessee said:
Soil mix looks pretty good to me. I might not use vermiculite in a GP mix, but I have for SIP buckets 
How long did you let the amendments cycle-in?
A few funky leaves, but plants overall look nice.
Good Work.
 
Yeah I'll never use vermiculite again :P Holds too much water for up here. I was trying to reduce the quantity of perlite used, which ideally I had a total replacement for. I've been unable to source something suitable though and the new mix is all perlite.
 
The soil cycled for almost two monthes before any peppers were potted. It's a little nutrient heavy, I initially had a few issues with excess nitrogen but buffered it with a light seedling mix for the peppers and maters. Cannabis grows decently enough in it, not as well as I would prefer but for a first mix it wasen't a total disaster. Peppers on the other hand, seem to hate it XD
 
 
solid7 said:
I think you've asked the right question with the amendments. Insufficient "cook time" can lead to those irregularities. Not usually a deal breaker, but I do believe that the plant's vitality in it's first few months of life determines its overall happiness in life. That's unproven, so take it with a grain of salt.

By the way, on a tangent, here - Vermiculite shouldn't be used in the SIP, due to its ability to retain water. I hate Perlite, but it doesn't hold water like vermiculite, so it's top choice. Perlite sucks up water, vermiculite holds it. Some purists don't like vermiculite in organics, but I do. It is great for holding onto nutrients. Bio-char is better, but I don't have a readily available source, and I'm not about to start burning trees just to get it. I do save my charcoal from the grill, and I screen it, though. Double reward, as I can re-use the unburnt chunks, and amend soil with the stuff that passes the mesh.
 
What ever it was, it slowed them down to a snails pace for growth. The seedling mix I buffed out the full mix with wasen't cycled for very long and may have caused the wierd development.
 
+1 for mentioning biochar :) I need to read up a bit more but I believe you can use it as an aeration amendment if it is chunky enough?
 
miguelovic said:
Yeah I'll never use vermiculite again :P Holds too much water for up here. I was trying to reduce the quantity of perlite used, which ideally I had a total replacement for. I've been unable to source something suitable though and the new mix is all perlite.
Yep, yep. I use vermiculite OVER perlite here, BECAUSE I want to hold onto moisture. Both have the same properties as regards porosity and aeration. But perlite doesn't retain water - it's just to provide capillary action, which is why it's so popular is SIP. Vermiculite has excellent water retention properties, as you've observed. :D
 
miguelovic said:
+1 for mentioning biochar :) I need to read up a bit more but I believe you can use it as an aeration amendment if it is chunky enough?
Yes, but remember, bio-char is also the equivalent of carbon filtration. It takes things FROM the soil, and holds them. Not in a way that they are unavailable, though. So while you build aerating structure, you're also building little "nutrient banks" in your soil. In organic gardening, bio-char is sometimes steeped in rabbit manure or compost teas before adding to soil mixes.
 
Excellent, I was thinking much the same, though it will have to wait until the next mix.
 
 
New mix
 
1/3 Sphagnum (2 tbsp liming mix per gallon of peat, wetting with warm/hot water and aloe)
 
1/3 Perlite (So help me God I'll never do that again)
 
1/3 Compost (local bison farm)
 
Lime mix
 
1 part dolomite
1 part gypsum
2 part limestone
 
Mineral
 
Glacial Rock Dust, 2 c per cubic foot
 
Meals
 
1/2 c Kelp, 1/2 c Neem, 2 tbsp Alfalfa per cubic foot
 
 
The peat was limed and wet with the warm aloe/water mixture, the compost amended with the mineral/meal mixture, then moistened with a plain tea. After cycling separately for a week, everything was jumbled together, moistened with tea and cycled for two weeks before gradually up-potting.
 
Visually it looked like a bloody mess of perlite with some brown bits mixed in. A carpet of composting chipped wood and castings dealt with that eyesore.
 
Pics to follow, after another fight with the camera.
 
Quite similar I would think, they're pastured and grass fed. Seemed like the best option I could source locally, short of homemade. Ideally next year that comes together.
 
 
Three little Bhuts, pic taken 3 weeks ago. Intentionally micro-growing you say? Yeah... that's what I did.
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Pest Annihilator
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Growth spurt after up-potting to new mix, and a thorough cleaning by above Ladybird.
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Freaky Bhut, still growing like a turd. Note to self, find more of these round pots (Garden centre dumpster diving? XD). They perfectly fit 8-pot nursery flats and have a firm structure.
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Last Bhut, trying to catch up
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Damage from baking soda fungal sprays, burnt many a leaf off with that. Apparently some tomfool did not read about washing leaves between treatments to avoid build up. The best part, they were sprayed in tandem with the 'maters as a preventative, incase whatever was dissolving the 'mater leaves spread :doh:
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Morouga Numero Uno
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Morouga Numero Two-no
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Seven Pod/Pot Douglah
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Poblano, picked up from a nursery two weeks ago. Stoked to stuff the peps with garlicky goodness. Picked buds up until the other day.
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Heya, thanks man.
 
It's slow going, what with all the ways I've learned to stunt their growth :rofl:  Definitely going to have to fire up some lights when the weather inevitably sours, while they're still trying to ripen fruit XD
 
 
solid7 said:
That's a lot of perlite...  You did say, however, that you need to bleed off a bit of moisture.
 
Aye, rains a hell of a lot here sometimes. Even so I think I could have gotten away with a lot less, especially if the canopy were larger and covered the pot surface. The actually mix doesn't look as bad, more or less homemade Pro-mix, but after a watering or two without mulch it highlights on of perlites best qualities... floating.
 
 
More Peachars
 
'mater
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The elusive "ta"mater
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Random thoughts
 
Black pots are lovely, particularily great at capturing the suns energy efficiently enough to overheat the soil. May wrap them in panda poly.
 
The nutrient level of the new mix, at least so far, seems much more balanced.
 
Thought of using a light shade cloth to control a bit of the rain. As a bonus, it should help moderate soil temperature.
 
Been awhile since I've popped in to my own glog XD
 
Flowers and buds forming despite my best efforts hehe.
 
I managed to burn the plants with a mineral oil spray. Gives a lovely brown shiet colour to the leaves, and some nice necrosis. Lesson learned, don't spray mineral oil. Although it works great indoors under moderate lighting. Leaf growth improved after a few treatments before the burn, they started coming out twisted and deformed. Really ramps up my paranoia that I have a microscopic mite buggering around. A nearby friend has what he thinks are russet mites, and I now avoid him like the plague.
 
Bernt Leaf
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Pics are from a mid-late July.
 
First flower! On the poblano
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The whole shebang. I recently added a tomato cage to support his growth. AACT'd him a little while ago after the pot finally dried up a bit after uppotting and cloud water keeping him moist.
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More-uga. Top dressed a bit of oyster shell flour to stem off the bubbling leaves. Everybody got a little sprinkle under the nose.
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Close up of bubbliness
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Other Morouga. The champ of the bunch.
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Seven Pot-Pod Douglah - Whatever the deuce it is.
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Black Zebra stripey little Cherr-ioes
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My three little stunted bastardos. Up-potted the two smallest yesterday. Between me and the weather I've overwatered the two on the right.
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Special Leaf Growth
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Hey looks like your plants are bouncing back from the overloving we all like to throw at our plants from time to time :D how long is your growing season ?
 
Overloving? Surely I don't know what you're talking about :liar:
 
 
I'm not concrete on a date, but by the end of September/early October, I'll probably fire up a light for them. The rain alone will drown the little buggers. I really should be noting things down this year but I think this glog is my excuse there XD
 
The calcium via oystershell is working great, new growth is nice and flat.
 
A few pods are developing slowly but surely, pictures are only a few weeks behind.
 
 
 
Made some habanero poppers the other night. I'll take the angry text messages sent from many bathrooms the next day as a sign of success. Pub nights are great, especially since we've siddled up to a retiree who spends most of his time crab fishing. Having enough fresh meat around to make bread-less cakes was excellent, and put the sea-water flavoured filler-cakes dispensed around town in the right light, low and despicable.
 
When are you expecting pods on these guys?  I know that the hotter peppers seem to take longer to grow.  At least, my Habaneros were the last to flower and the last to push pods out, but now they've got a couple decent looking pods and seem to be the greenest/happiest of the bunch.  

Edit:  Must have missed your post about the pods developing.  
 
Habanero poppers must be insane!
 
Hah, only on the one plant, optimistically labelled 7Pot Douglah. They look like bhuts forming though, so maybe I need to thank PepperJoe and worry less that my bhut starts are all bonchi XD I'll get some pics up soon, still have a few to post from last week.
 
 
And they were delicious :D
 
miguelovic said:
Hah, only on the one plant, optimistically labelled 7Pot Douglah. They look like bhuts forming though, so maybe I need to thank PepperJoe and worry less that my bhut starts are all bonchi XD I'll get some pics up soon, still have a few to post from last week.
 
 
And they were delicious :D
Do you smoke them or grill them?  I like smoking my poppers for that extra bit of flavour.
 
samcanadian said:
Do you smoke them or grill them?  I like smoking my poppers for that extra bit of flavour.
 
Damnit. Neither. I did just see that hilarious barbecue popper holder the other day too. Next time :D
 
Looking good dude looking real good to me....that moruga looks like a champ...


..mmmmmmmm dr bronners I love the way that feels on my jewels...seriously...;) my hippie wife introduced that stuff to me years ago...have used it ever since for my body wash..good stuff..ok back on topic...:)
 
I saw a while back a line or two about biochar, now that's some good stuff! I made a bunch and added 3"s to 2/3 of the garden, did a test the first season with corn. Half in the biochar and half out. The corn in the biochar needed less nutes and less water and grew way better. Probably close to 2 feet taller. I used it for it's ability to grab the nutes and stop them from leaching on down.
 
Keep it green!
 
Point to note - try "pre-soaking" your biochar, if you didn't already.

Like I was saying earlier, I know more than one orgranic grower that make biochar, and steep it in rabbit manure.  You don't get a much better combo than biochar, rabbit poo, and seaweed.  It's sorta the "trifecta", if you will. (in my humble opinion)
 
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