Hey Bro, the second one was the X-nutrients, and I got that tip from 3/5 and perhaps LGHT, one or the other ? :} I am pretty dang sure, there is a page on their website that u have to drill down too and request a sample care pack...hope that helps bro...Be well...
that xnutrients pack you can probably get from your local hydro that carries x nutrients.
I didnt want to pay for shipping so I asked my hydro store if I can send it to them and he went into the back and got that same sample pack for me no shipping or waiting he had one there