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OCD Chilehead · May 26, 2017

LocalFart said:
Just a thought. but black shade cloth sitting on the plastic would be counter productive right?

I may be wrong or the sun may be different here but you may need to raise the shade cloth above the dome so the heat can dissipate from the cloth?

ThatBlondGuy101 said:
+1 What LocalFart said above (#458)

I would've thought that having the black shade cloth on the cover would block light, but conduct the heat into the greenhouse? I thought that Black absorbs heat, but has to send it somewhere, so it would channel it into the house?

I might be completely out of my mind, but I would think that the shade cloth wouldn't fix the heat problem, only reduce the light...

Thanks guys.
I was going to put up a shade cloth awning like Scott used. Didn't have the time or money to do it. I know the black cloth isn't helping matters in a way. All the plants in the middle of the house have no problems. The ones on both side of the house look distressed. Except for one end of the house that gets afternoon shade from a tree. I think it's magnifying through the plastic.

The added fan for circulation has brought the temps down a bit yesterday. As soon as I plugged it in, temps started dropping. I know my Chinese grow better in the shade, than the sun at my elevation. Much bigger plants and production in the shade.

Thanks again guys. I may find the time and money and build a frame, and order a 25x25 shade cloth. Probably be in use for next year. We will see how it goes

Today will be a good test. It will hit 80F/26C today. Night time temps still around 40-43F/5-6C.

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OCD Chilehead · May 26, 2017

Genetikx said:
I think you need a fan on one side like you have and keep the door open in the other side. I'd get rid of that black cloth, only thing I see it doing is blocking light... You don't want to block what's coming in as much as you want to make sure what comes in has an easy way to escape. As someone else mentioned, only other thing I'd consider is a standing fan on the other end by the door

Btw, you're killin it Chuck! Super impressed with plants and greenhouse

Thanks Ryan.
I did move the fan toward the door this morning. I faced it up and have great circulation through out the house. I mentikned in the previous post. All my plants grow better in the shade. I found this out one year, because I grew to many plants. Had no room so a bunch ended up under the tree. Those plants were the biggest, healthiest and most productive out of all of them. Annuums don't mind the Sun at this elevation, but the Chinese get scorched. Now that I think about it, all my Annuums are doing great. I'll see how it goes today. I may have to change things up again. Just trying to get ready for real heat. It will be in the 90's here all Summer.

Thanks again

Chuck

Devv · May 26, 2017

Chuck I see greenhouses down here with the sunshade directly on them just like yours. Yeah the shades absorbs and passes some heat down; but I think it helps more than it hurts.
Of course, as mentioned, having it suspended above would be better...that can come later

Genetikx · May 26, 2017

OCD Chilehead said:
Thanks Ryan.
I did move the fan toward the door this morning. I faced it up and have great circulation through out the house. I mentikned in the previous post. All my plants grow better in the shade. I found this out one year, because I grew to many plants. Had no room so a bunch ended up under the tree. Those plants were the biggest, healthiest and most productive out of all of them. Annuums don't mind the Sun at this elevation, but the Chinese get scorched. Now that I think about it, all my Annuums are doing great. I'll see how it goes today. I may have to change things up again. Just trying to get ready for real heat. It will be in the 90's here all Summer.

Thanks again

Chuck

Yea that's right, location makes a big difference when it comes to execution. Up here I couldn't imagine blocking sun but we sit in the 70s and 80s most of the summer, touching 90s during short stints.

OCD Chilehead · May 26, 2017

Devv said:
Chuck I see greenhouses down here with the sunshade directly on them just like yours. Yeah the shades absorbs and passes some heat down; but I think it helps more than it hurts.
Of course, as mentioned, having it suspended above would be better...that can come later

Thanks Scott. I will see how it goes. If I do that, I'll be building a fortress. LOL!

I've thought about in the past years looking at your setup.

OCD Chilehead · May 27, 2017

Genetikx said:
Yea that's right, location makes a big difference when it comes to execution. Up here I couldn't imagine blocking sun but we sit in the 70s and 80s most of the summer, touching 90s during short stints.

I don't like loosing the Sunlight, but I'll take what I can get. I grew up in San Diego, in my opinion, the best weather in the country. 70's all year and very little humidity. I suppose, I was spoiled. Didn't know what I had until I moved to a high desert. 5300ft elevation and 90's and 100's all Summer, 0 to 30's in the Winter. UV index of 9. Pretty drastic.

Its challenging, but fun.

Trident chilli · May 27, 2017

Had the same issue last season Chuck and my sun is nowhere as strong as yours ... plants on the side of the polytunnel really suffered ... silver like leaves and wilt. They eventually lost the damaged leaves but all plants recovered ... like the idea of a fan I will have one on stand by just in case as our weather has really improved this week

stickman · May 27, 2017

Glad you're getting the temp. issues sorted in your hoophouse Chuck. I remember the intensity of the Colorado sun at over 5,000 feet so I know it's no joke. You might be interested in this book if you can find it in your library system. They talk about how growers in the Sonoran Desert plant chiles under "Nurse Trees" to protect them from the scorching sun and help the soil retain some moisture. https://books.google.com/books?id=I5m5K0m4UrgC&dq=growing+food+in+a+hotter,+drier+land&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinptK184_UAhVB5CYKHWepC_IQ6AEIMTAB

Now that I think of it... the Chinense varieties grow best in the tropics in places like the Yucutan and the Caribbean where they get lots of dappled shade and water.

OCD Chilehead · May 27, 2017

Trident chilli said:
Had the same issue last season Chuck and my sun is nowhere as strong as yours ... plants on the side of the polytunnel really suffered ... silver like leaves and wilt. They eventually lost the damaged leaves but all plants recovered ... like the idea of a fan I will have one on stand by just in case as our weather has really improved this week

Thanks John.

It gives me hope for a couple of them. The fan is helping.

OCD Chilehead · May 27, 2017

stickman said:
Glad you're getting the temp. issues sorted in your hoophouse Chuck. I remember the intensity of the Colorado sun at over 5,000 feet so I know it's no joke. You might be interested in this book if you can find it in your library system. They talk about how growers in the Sonoran Desert plant chiles under "Nurse Trees" to protect them from the scorching sun and help the soil retain some moisture. https://books.google.com/books?id=I5m5K0m4UrgC&dq=growing+food+in+a+hotter,+drier+land&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinptK184_UAhVB5CYKHWepC_IQ6AEIMTAB

Now that I think of it... the Chinense varieties grow best in the tropics in places like the Yucutan and the Caribbean where they get lots of dappled shade and water.

Thanks Rick. I've took your advice on that last year and planted tomatillos with the peppers. Worked like a charm. Beware, tomatillos are one of the fastest growing plants I've ever grown. They get out of control in a hurt.

OCD Chilehead · May 27, 2017

I ran the fan yesterday. It did good. Temps hit 85 and it was 90 in there. Shade cloth and fan helped a bunch. I ran my drip lines. Need to flush and finish off. Going to see if I can mount the fan somewhere. I would like it on the wall or side rail, out of the way.

stickman · May 27, 2017

OCD Chilehead said:
I ran the fan yesterday. It did good. Temps hit 85 and it was 90 in there. Shade cloth and fan helped a bunch. I ran my drip lines. Need to flush and finish off. Going to see if I can mount the fan somewhere. I would like it on the wall or side rail, out of the way.

If I did say to plant tomatillos in among the chiles, I'm very sorry. LOL! I meant to say that tomatillos are great to have on hand when it comes to preparing ripe chiles... Or unripe ones in the case of jalapenos, serranos and numex varieties. I love me some chile verde, posole, salsa or hot sauce made with them. [emoji2]

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OCD Chilehead · May 27, 2017

stickman said:
If I did say to plant tomatillos in among the chiles, I'm very sorry. LOL! I meant to say that tomatillos are great to have on hand when it comes to preparing ripe chiles... Or unripe ones in the case of jalapenos, serranos and numex varieties. I love me some chile verde, posole, salsa or hot sauce made with them. [emoji2]

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LOL! No, you didn't say plant tomatillos. I took it upon my self to plant between tomatoes and tomatillos. It does work. My plants last year loved the shade from the other plants.

stickman · May 27, 2017

OCD Chilehead said:
LOL! No, you didn't say plant tomatillos. I took it upon my self to plant between tomatoes and tomatillos. It does work. My plants last year loved the shade from the other plants.

Ah... that makes me feel better. I didn't want to give you a bum steer.

I've read that Okra is a good intercrop with chiles since it's drought tolerant, grows taller than the chiles and provides dappled shade. Supposedly they protect each other from pests as well. Okra supposedly keeps aphids away from Peppers, and Peppers keep Cabbage Worms away from the Okra.
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/okra/okra-companion-plants.htm
https://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/companion-plants-grow-your-peppers.html
http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/lifestyle/20140728/okra-plant-is-decorative-and-drought-tolerant

Okra's not to everyone's taste, but I like it as long as it's fresh and isn't cooked too long... freezing it is right out!

Devv · May 27, 2017

Glad the fans are keeping things cool Chuck. It's 96° here now, can I borrow them?

OCD Chilehead · May 28, 2017

stickman said:
Ah... that makes me feel better. I didn't want to give you a bum steer.

I've read that Okra is a good intercrop with chiles since it's drought tolerant, grows taller than the chiles and provides dappled shade. Supposedly they protect each other from pests as well. Okra supposedly keeps aphids away from Peppers, and Peppers keep Cabbage Worms away from the Okra.
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/okra/okra-companion-plants.htm
https://www.treehugger.com/lawn-garden/companion-plants-grow-your-peppers.html
http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/lifestyle/20140728/okra-plant-is-decorative-and-drought-tolerant

Okra's not to everyone's taste, but I like it as long as it's fresh and isn't cooked too long... freezing it is right out!

Thanks for the good information. I planted basil last year with the peppers. I'm going to keep some basil and thyme in the hoop house. It might deter pests. Plus it smells awesome. Right now it smells like fertilizer. LOL!

OCD Chilehead · May 28, 2017

Devv said:
Glad the fans are keeping things cool Chuck. It's 96° here now, can I borrow them?

Thank you Scott. I've used fans outside in the past with my containers. Humidity helps. Its that dry heat and wind that they don't like. I use to spray the garden every evening for humidity the next day. I noticed plants near the wooden fence faired better than others. I think it was the fact that I sprayed the fences down and they released humidity.

OCD Chilehead · May 28, 2017

Devv said:
Glad the fans are keeping things cool Chuck. It's 96° here now, can I borrow them?

Thank you Scott. I've used fans outside in the past with my containers. Humidity helps. Its that dry heat and wind that they don't like. I use to spray the garden every evening for humidity the next day. I noticed plants near the wooden fence faired better than others. I think it was the fact that I sprayed the fences down and they released humidity.

OCD Chilehead · May 28, 2017

I managed to get the dripline in yesterday evening. Should have put it in before I put the plastic down. Rick told me so. I decided to reuse the lines from last year. Seem to be good. If Ivey any plugs in the line I can add emitters.

Im going to wire my circulation fan in line with the exhaust. Then I don't have to turn it on before work. Its still in the 50's at that time, plus its a waste of energy. Also going to mount fan to endwall. Self automation mode is almost complete.

moruga welder · May 28, 2017

OCD Chilehead said:
I managed to get the dripline in yesterday evening. Should have put it in before I put the plastic down. Rick told me so. I decided to reuse the lines from last year. Seem to be good. If Ivey any plugs in the line I can add emitters.

Im going to wire my circulation fan in line with the exhaust. Then I don't have to turn it on before work. Its still in the 50's at that time, plus its a waste of energy. Also going to mount fan to endwall. Self automation mode is almost complete.

Damn Chuck ! are those plants between the rows in containers yet ? Your gonna have pods out the wazoo ! :party:

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