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Primo's & Reapers ?

P. Dreadie

P. Dreadie

My photos aren't great and the wife who has camera skills said taking pictures of peppers was one notch above taking pictures of paint drying . Take to mean she won't help or anyone can do that .....  ;)
 
I ordered some Promos & Reapers from a vender here . I have several question . First is about the size of the pods in both pictures . Do those look normal or small ? I know plant's give off different sizes at different stages of their life . But what's your thoughts ?
 
The other question do these look the same ? I selected a few of each. Tried to show size , pimples , stingers , etc. Should there large differences in the appearence between the two ? 
 
I know pictures aren't the best way to make a " for sure " comment . Do both photos look like the same Pepper ? Holding them in my hand and closely looking them over ..... I feel they're the same . Guys here yesterday felt the same . We did a tasting .... but it's not like comparing Beers.
You ( or us anyway ) can only do a few A to B's .....
 
Any pictures that might help me please give 'em up .........
 
Peace 
 
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The primo and the reaper are VERY similar peppers :) I grow hundreds of each type side by side and its hard for me even to tell the differences sometimes....Glad u enjoyed the peppers! :) I got your PM about how well pleased you were with your purchases! Thanks again!! :)

Dale Jr
 
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Dale Jr ,
 
With respect .....  I 've had more time to check them close up . So as now I-Man can't tell a difference . So my being happy totally is not carved stone yet . 
 
I'm trying to learn as I go long . I wanted these so I could check them . See if they were something I might want to add to my humble garden. I DON"T have acres so I want / need true info . If I feel like I wasted a year with my humble space ..... I'm not going to be happy .
 
So I'm wanting more feedback than yours . And please don't make this a flame someone thread . Anyone ..... That's not going to help .
 
At the moment as I always do I want to learn . When it comes to crooks ... people who make false statements . Until I'm certain I say like Bob Marley . "Who the Cap Fit ........ let Them wear it ! "  If a guy wears a white hat .. then he feels in his heart his hands are clean . 
 
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P.Dreadie
 
i was not going to get involved in this debate as i have TONS of other fruitful things to do. But my responsibility as a community member of THP, and Free citizen to speak up my mind, i decide to respectfully share my perceptive. 
 
Even if you are not an expert in peppers (which non of us is Dr. Paul Bosland), when you cant tell the difference, you should ask the source, to provide you with a definitive/convincing answers of what the difference(s) is/are beside saying "VERY" close. what is/are the NOT "VERY" close characteristic(s) that enable(s) anyone to tell the difference.  if I as a customer cant tell the difference, tell me how you as a vendor CAN?.  
 
In my naive, humble, non-expertise, non-certified, non-registered, non-inspected opinion (that is not to offend anyone) and you don't have to believe in it, reaper is just a name given to a primo grown in south Carolina, it is the same pepper.
 
the simple test is, just switch names, tags, or contents of primo and/or "reaper" and tell me if anyone can tell you/us the difference , that's when the CSI team answers you with the "DNA" analysis. seriously, DNA for a pepper.  Singularity is from the past then.
 
take a picture and  send it out to the source/anyone asking can you tell me which one is which and WHY? and HOW? 
 
if you get a positive identification, i take back my naive claim that they are the same pepper.
until then -and thanks to the freedom of peach- i have the right to keep my opinion as they are the same pepper.
 
after all i could be wrong and the brown moruga could be later named as "Central Florida Volcano" and sold as "new" peppers.
 
Respectfully    
 
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Question #1. Both varieties produce small pods compared to most super hot C.chinense.

Question #2. They both produce pods that look very similar to each other,I cannot tell them apart by looking at the pods or plants.. Both of these varieties put out so many different pod shapes it is impossible. They have a similar leaf shape,frame,purpling in nodes and branching,productivity,etc.. There are many other ways to differentiate between varieties but mostly folks do it by pod shape,that is the easiest but not the only way. Nobody selling 100,000 + seeds is isolating!!!!!!!!!!!!! The prices of seeds would be through the roof if vendors were isolating. It is a major pain in the ass with the bagging and labeling,and all the flower aborting that goes on. Chinense are infamous for this. One grain of pollen can make that one seed from a pod produce a different plant from the other 25 you grow from that same pod.

P.Dreadie,
I will send you more to tinker with next week if you are interested,labeled or in seperate boxes. I have no ties to any vendor,creator,marketer. I am a lowly backyard gardener who is particular about details,and interested in all aspects of capsicum,not just heat and $$$$.
 
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P. Dreadie...

Im sorry if my reply was not helpful...if i can help assist u in any way, please let me know...u have sent me 2 seperate messages saying how thrilled u were with both orders i sent u....if this is no longer the case please let me know what i have done to wrong u, and what i can do To help make it right... I just grow these 2 types...im not Responsible for their creation :) i just grow and sell them :)

Let me know if i can help :)

Dale Jr
 
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lol @ quote:  you have sent me 2 seperate messages saying how thrilled u were with both orders..
 
someone sounds a tad desperate to sell some peppers as I'm sure you both know about the pm's
 
I think he is asking more detailed info on the specific pods he purchased, as a Home Grower Hobbyist he has probably already made plans to turn around and grow some which is probably why he purchased them from you in the first place.
 
so is this a successful cross pollination of the reaper and primos?  if not what are they exactly ? will they regrow? 
 
along those lines of answers is what we are wondering here.  and not how many peppers you grow and the quality of hotness your awesome amazing business generates..
 
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I wish everyone would consider adding in a: All about your purchase info card with each order/trade.
 
explaining where the grower Acquired the seeds originally ..after all you didn't pull them out of your ass and got them from somewhere right?  
 
also explaining which plants where isolated and which where chosen to cross pollinate. and this is what you ended up with..
 
the Tested Scoville Scale Results ..How big the plants get.. what you feed them.. the climate zone you can grow them in  ..the best time to start growing them  etc..etc
 
in this way the buyer "your customers" know exactly what they are getting before they receive them..  some people don't want a hand me down mixed hybred of some sort or even mixing with plant breeds they already have or do not want.. some people want the real deal.
 
That should stop a considerable amount of unhappy camper order returns before from even take place.
Details man..  we need details!
 
as armac states below I agree with his statements..if at any time they are unhappy with their order ...Refunding is
the professional way to do things and a better business standpoint keeping the consumers satisfied.
 
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Why keep bringing up pm's? That is between the two of you, to bring them up here is just trying to pressure someone in public. Possibly his approval of the purchase has changed, that is what should be addressed, not previous pm's.

staying focused on the customers satisfaction should be key not trying to bring up previous communication.....private communications.
 
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It seems to me like the purchase of both the Reapers and the Primos and also this thread were all made just to stir a little controversy. All it takes is a little research here on THP and maybe a Google search to learn that the two peppers are almost identical if not the same. You didn't have to buy a box of both to figure that out. If the pods arrived to you in a timely manner, in good condition and fresh then it seems to me like Baker's did their job. 
 
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armac said:
Why keep bringing up pm's? That is between the two of you, to bring them up here is just trying to pressure someone in public. Possibly his approval of the purchase has changed, that is what should be addressed, not previous pm's.
staying focused on the customers satisfaction should be key not trying to bring up previous communication.....private communications.
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Didnt i say that several times in my post boss?? Go back....i will wait.......


I said several times if i can help in any way to let me know... I have asked if there was problem with purchase and offered to make it right if so...several times....its right there in my post...seriously armac?? Ur slippin my friend....lol :)

P.Dreadie...again...if there's anything i can do...let me know....hope that was more clear than posted before...

Dale Jr
 
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I'm NOT trying to start shit ! So shut up if you can't get it that I'm trying to learn something here . Yes the peppers were fresh no problem , yada yada . Service as great no problem. 
 
I'm not trying to bust Dale's Jr balz or anyones . Dale ease up ! Stop being so gun shy ... When I'm pissed you'll know it . There will be NO way to not notice it . 
 
To me they look the same , it's that simple . OC if you want to help , show me the differences or the likeness of the two from what You've grown . I have limited space in my humble garden. I don't want to grow two types peppers that are so much a like you / nobody / or few can't tell the difference.
 
I'm not looking for a refund doing this. Dale forget my PM's ..... if want to keep bringing them up I'll mute that here . Ever bought a T-shirt or anything .... and at first liked it. Then felt different later ? 
 
All I want is to learn a few things. Cease fire on the flames . That's not what I started this for. 
 
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Ocho Cinco said:
It seems to me like the purchase of both the Reapers and the Primos and also this thread were all made just to stir a little controversy.
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After reconsideration   ..I Agree 100%
 
It's pathetic really what lengths some try to smokescreen in their marketing tricks.. even bad advertisement is advertisement in their greedy little minds after all.. I for one hate confusing little ads if that's what this post indeed is.
 
pathetic
 
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Ok P. Dreadie, your posts SEEM TO ME to be a little on the controversy starting side. Baker's posted an answer and about an hour later you post that you want different opinions. You just needed to have a little more patience and wait for more opinions. Maybe it's just me but it does seem like you were trying to bust his balls. 
Now, for the pods. 
The differences: virtually none but perhaps a few slight differences that are probably caused by the growing conditions.
The likeness of the two: almost everything
 
Just pick one of the varieties and grow it in your humble little garden. If I were you I would not grow both.
 
This whole controversy over the Primo/Reaper has been played out already. 
 
Do a little more research before you buy and then complain.
 
P.S. Don't buy Brain Strains and Morugas next.
 
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From what I have read over the last few months it will be near impossible to differentiate the two on looks alone.  Every one says the difference is in the taste.  I have even seen a fair share of folks saying even taste is the same and suspect it is indeed the same pepper, just different names.
 
At this point you might be best having two separate people send you a couple pods.  Have one send primos and the other send reapers.  That way there's no mixup and you can get an idea for taste and determine which of the two is best for the garden.  I can see why you wouldn't want to grow two varieties that have the same exact look to them.  Also, from my research almost every one has said primos>reapers.
 
The reaper hype, obvious false claims, wide varieties of pods it throws whether it's from instability, poor seed handling or from what some say, deliberately mixing seeds to multiply sales.  I have 3 packs of reapers here from 3 separate sources and I haven't decided if I even want to bother growing them. I would be a little upset at the end of the year to grow them out and have results like some others have and get ghosts, habs and many other varieties from them.  Hell, now there's yellow reapers and apparently orange, which just happened to come via regular reaper seed?  Seems fishy.
 
While none of this really helps you.  I do think doing like I said and having one person send one to you while another sends the other variety might be the best choice. 

I recently won a contest for Dale and he treated me extremely well.  Got way more than I was suppose to, etc. Seems like a solid guy. 
 
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Browning thanks ...  
 
You guys that think I'm trying to stir things up fine. That's your right.  But that's not the case . If Dale hadn't chimed in and said I got them from him all but what I was trying to gain would be mute here. 
 
You guys don't know me. I don't stir things up , at least not on purpose. Can't think of any thread I've posted that went in this direction.
 
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It's not that we are trying to flame out here in your thread if that seems the case then I must apologize & will drag it out no further.
 
many of us have been dragged threw several threads discussing the reaper and can't quite make out if several of these growers are playing for the same team, or the same person under another profile.. just for the sake of starting controversial posts in hopes to pitch their sales of what it is they are pushing and what a great deal it is...
 
In any case I hope you get the answers /results you seek.  good luck & mouth zipped.
 
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=MadMonkey= said:
 
I wish everyone would consider adding in a: All about your purchase info card with each order/trade.
 
explaining where the grower Acquired the seeds originally ..after all you didn't pull them out of your ass and got them from somewhere right?  
 
also explaining which plants where isolated and which where chosen to cross pollinate. and this is what you ended up with..
 
the Tested Scoville Scale Results ..How big the plants get.. what you feed them.. the climate zone you can grow them in  ..the best time to start growing them  etc..etc
 
in this way the buyer "your customers" know exactly what they are getting before they receive them..  some people don't want a hand me down mixed hybred of some sort or even mixing with plant breeds they already have or do not want.. some people want the real deal.
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A bit off topic, BUT, an interesting idea for venders.
 
In a hobby where strains and genetics are of importance, and (from my humble understanding) diluting exponentially, it would be cool for venders to take the lead with this. When I go to a nursery the little labels have info on them like time to produce, sun or shade etc. , it'd be cool for a where they came from label on purchased pepper seeds. Something standardish, that the seller could fill out once on their computer and then print out as the name label. Just something simple and clear I guess
 
Like:
 
Buht Jolokia, Peach
Crossed from:    /// Or Mutation etc.
Strain Originally obtained from:
Production seed Isolated yearly: Y/N
Product Seed Isolated: Y/N
F generation if not stable:
 
I know nothing about the peach bhut, JUST an example.
 
Then if all the venders starting doing this maybe us humble home growers would get into it too. Who knows! Maybe I'm just running way too far with an idea.
 
Maybe this needs a new thread in a different section... but I think I'm a bit new to the hobby to step up on the soap box.
 
As a reptile enthusiast I REALLY freaking wish they'd done this in the breeding world -- I prefer natural straight from the wild traits and in some cases its horribly hard not to end up with a mut. :tear:
 
 
//hijack.
 
P. - my eyes cannot tell the difference from the pics you posted. And.. Who the cap fit is a wicked little Bob track!
 
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