ajdrew said:
In Australia google earth is updated every coupe of years so it might take a while for me to see my folly
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In Australia google earth is updated every coupe of years so it might take a while for me to see my folly
Krackenpeppers, much drunk. Wife took pitty on my pain and bouthgt me a a bottle. So if ramble, sorry. Years ago, when I wanted to drop out of society someone kind fo famous from Australia named Wendy Rule said should look into Australia. Did just that. Cause have books in print, Australia flat offered me money to move there.
I just couldn't give up my USA pride, so settled into rural Kentucky. That and what the hell is up with your gun laws. Not exactly getting ready for the Zombie Apocalypse but you guys got dingos stealing babies n shit.
Seriously,honored to have met another person from down under. Other than the wierd gun control stuff, your culture is friggign Amazing.
PS. on the gun control thing, once shipped a handmade sword there. OMG the rules and regulations.
I just couldn't give up my USA pride, so settled into rural Kentucky. That and what the hell is up with your gun laws. Not exactly getting ready for the Zombie Apocalypse but you guys got dingos stealing babies n shit.
Seriously,honored to have met another person from down under. Other than the wierd gun control stuff, your culture is friggign Amazing.
PS. on the gun control thing, once shipped a handmade sword there. OMG the rules and regulations.
Tree nursery owners use the term "strangler roots" to describe a problem with growing perennial plants in pots... the roots grow around and 'round themselves, rather like strands of spaghetti twined about a fork. As they grow, they increase in diameter, until they exert pressure upon each other enough to hinder sap flow to the point where they cease to function adequately.
I think this may be part of the problem.
I think this may be part of the problem.
mikeg said:
Girdling roots are only really a problem when the stem diameter reaches the point where it and nearby roots begin growing into each other. The issue is with the roots physically girdling or strangling the vascular tissue of the plant's stem.
I've seen a LOT of girdling roots over the course of my career, but never any on a plant as small as a typical pepper plant.
I think the main issue with transplants being reluctant to start growing roots in their new soil has to do with what that particular plant "feels like" doing at that point in its life. If a plant has started to get used to a smaller pot and, thus, has begun to enter a primarily reproductive growth phase, it might be difficult to convince it to start putting energy into growing roots again.
Strange theory: I wonder if roots can tell proximity to each other, maybe by chemicals they release into the soil. I guess it could be that they get all tangled up and physically cant grow anymore, but have watched them grow threw biodegradable pots so thinking there has to be something more at work that is defeated by busting them up before transplant.
ajdrew said:
I bet they can tell proximity and identify "self" vs. "non-self" material. Given the choice, I bet they'd prefer to grow away from each other. Breaking up dense root balls helps achieve this.
What he said....Hybrid Mode 01 said:
The effect is more pronounced with tomatoes. Towards the end of the "rush season" at garden centers, you will see stunted tomato seedlings a handsbreadth or two in height, with one or two cute little cherry tomatoes on them. The labels often indicate they are not cherry tomatoes... just stunted fruit on stunted plants
I was given a few once, and on a what-the-hell whim, i planted them. They remained "convinced" they were in a marginal or non-survivable niche, so they just kept producing a very few tiny sad fruit with little flavor. It's a sensible strategy when the parent plant's seed-delivery method is random air delivery via birdlime, and the seed can land anywhere. Note that both pepper and tomato seeds rely on the same delivery system.
I'd assumed peppers were different, since "bonchi" -- peppers dwarfed for overwintering -- again flourish when planted out next spring. What i hadn't considered was that, after overwintering, the plant's survival strategies might undergo a reset, greeting a new season with a new approach.
Since no-one overwinters stunted discarded tomato seedlings, i don't know if they would likewise reset their game plan, but it's an interesting idea.
Thanks, Hybrid Mode, i think i was dead wrong about the whole strangler root problem.
juanitos said:just to be clear my earlier post was just saying if you don't "massage" or "break up" the roots they will be dwarfed and grow roots very slowly.
aj i used solo cups last year too. mine were very rootbound (can you tell i bottom water lol)
Yea. At that point i thin you pretty much NEED to untangle and spread if possible, cut if necessary.
Better yet, don't let them git all spun 'round in the first place. I'm still surprised at the root growth young plants can develop relative to the size of the stems and leaves.
Hey guys,
I'm wondering if I have this problem, since my plants had gotten slightly rootbound 2 times in their life already - once at the seedling stage with RapidRooters before going into the 4" containers and once they got bigger within the 4" containers, both times the roots had been exposed around the edges. I wasn't checking the roots as it seems some others do, and now i'm wondering if I should have done so. Seeing photos of other plants here I find it crazy how large they can get within the 4" containers / solo cups - mine seemed to have "tapped out" at a certain point and weren't getting anywhere near as big as what ii've seen around here.
I've since moved them into 5 gallon pots, teasing / opening up the roots before transplant. Aside from my recent Thrips problem which may have effected growth, do my plants seem small to anyone? This is the average size, some a bit smaller - some larger.
They were started in March - all germinated in a week.
I'm wondering if I have this problem, since my plants had gotten slightly rootbound 2 times in their life already - once at the seedling stage with RapidRooters before going into the 4" containers and once they got bigger within the 4" containers, both times the roots had been exposed around the edges. I wasn't checking the roots as it seems some others do, and now i'm wondering if I should have done so. Seeing photos of other plants here I find it crazy how large they can get within the 4" containers / solo cups - mine seemed to have "tapped out" at a certain point and weren't getting anywhere near as big as what ii've seen around here.
I've since moved them into 5 gallon pots, teasing / opening up the roots before transplant. Aside from my recent Thrips problem which may have effected growth, do my plants seem small to anyone? This is the average size, some a bit smaller - some larger.
They were started in March - all germinated in a week.
