Sawyer '15 - Killing frost 11/22 + pics

Sawyer · Mar 9, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
Hopefully your AR Reaper will germinate & pop soon!
Looks like most everything coming along best of luck in all your endeavor's

Hey, Jason, I'm going ahead and sending you some AR Reaper seeds. They are only a year old and they look fine, so I don't know why none have germinated yet. You can try them and we'll hope for the best.

Plantguy76 · Mar 9, 2015

Thanks you John for your generosity & kindness I hope you get some AR Reaper's this year! :
I know how it can be too well only 5 of Judys peach bhut Jolokis selected strain popped there doing will & I am happy with the 5 going to give one to a pastor friend in late may coming up for my class reunion.
If I have enough of your AR Reaper I will give him one of those as well as he has been interested in the Carolina Reaper for a long time.
I will be sure to tell him where I got it form etc

PaulG · Mar 9, 2015

John, I got some decent pods from the AK Reaper last season.
I'd be happy to send you some just to diversify the gene pool.

I didn't grow them this season, but may add them next. I think
my neighbor is.

Sawyer · Mar 10, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
Thanks you John for your generosity & kindness I hope you get some AR Reaper's this year! :
I know how it can be too well only 5 of Judys peach bhut Jolokis selected strain popped there doing will & I am happy with the 5 going to give one to a pastor friend in late may coming up for my class reunion.
If I have enough of your AR Reaper I will give him one of those as well as he has been interested in the Carolina Reaper for a long time.
I will be sure to tell him where I got it form etc

Jason, regarding AR Reaper seeds, I put a passel in a parcel for you today. Hopefully some of them will germinate. If not, maybe I can pass on some from Paul. Do you need some CR for you friend, or does he already have those?

Edit: What's the deal with the BJ Peach Select? I got some BJ Peach from Judy as a freebie in a previous order, but there wasn't any indication of "select". I wonder how they differ. The ones I got have germinated 7 of 9. (Hah! Seven of nine. Get it?)

PaulG said:
John, I got some decent pods from the AK Reaper last season.
I'd be happy to send you some just to diversify the gene pool.

I didn't grow them this season, but may add them next. I think
my neighbor is.

Paul, did the pods you got look more or less like those in the picture up above? (My apologies if I should already know the answer to this question.) If so, I'd love to get some seeds from you. I have no idea what I did to "kill" my seeds. (Still holding out hope.) Let me know if you need some postage, or want anything from my list.

Plantguy76 · Mar 10, 2015

Sawyer said:
Jason, regarding AR Reaper seeds, I put a passel in a parcel for you today. Hopefully some of them will germinate. If not, maybe I can pass on some from Paul. Do you need some CR for you friend, or does he already have those?

Edit: What's the deal with the BJ Peach Select? I got some BJ Peach from Judy as a freebie in a previous order, but there wasn't any indication of "select". I wonder how they differ. The ones I got have germinated 7 of 9. (Hah! Seven of nine. Get it?)

Paul, did the pods you got look more or less like those in the picture up above? (My apologies if I should already know the answer to this question.) If so, I'd love to get some seeds from you. I have no idea what I did to "kill" my seeds. (Still holding out hope.) Let me know if you need some postage, or want anything from my list.

John my friend doesn't have any CR 's but I will just give him a plant if I get any to germinate.
The best I can figure out on the bhut jolokia selected strain is that its an improved strain here is the link on Judy's site http://www.pepperlover.com/pepper-seeds/heal-leve/world-hottest/peach-bhut-ss-pl-detail
Also thank you very much for your kindness & generosity ( seven of nine LoL)
P.S. I Plan to over winter at lest one of the Peach BJ S S
I will probably save seed form some pods but it will be non isolated op seed but if you want some I will send some your way this fall/winter

Sawyer · Mar 10, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
John my friend doesn't have any CR 's but I will just give him a plant if I get any to germinate.
The best I can figure out on the bhut jolokia selected strain is that its an improved strain here is the link on Judy's site http://www.pepperlover.com/pepper-seeds/heal-leve/world-hottest/peach-bhut-ss-pl-detail
Also thank you very much for your kindness & generosity ( seven of nine LoL)
P.S. I Plan to over winter at lest one of the Peach BJ S S
I will probably save seed form some pods but it will be non isolated op seed but if you want some I will send some your way this fall/winter

I looked at those Peach BJ SS and yeah, what I have are the regular ones. Those SS look pretty gnarly in the pictures. I'd love some seeds this fall/winter. Unless you have a bhut load of bees around, roughly 3 out 4 seeds should be true. (In my limited experience.)

Plantguy76 · Mar 10, 2015

Sawyer said:
I looked at those Peach BJ SS and yeah, what I have are the regular ones. Those SS look pretty gnarly in the pictures. I'd love some seeds this fall/winter. Unless you have a bhut load of bees around, roughly 3 out 4 seeds should be true. (In my limited experience.)

I will try & isolate them as best I can maybe use some insect netting on one & plant them on the other side that gets more sun.
I am planting a lot of flowers this year to attract bee,butterflies & beneficial insects.
I plan on planting my aji melocoton ( PL) & aji brazilian starfish together with flowers around them for a intentional cross by bee's etc
If you want seeds for that cross I will send some your way.
I am also getting peach congo (PL) another Judy creation for a replacement for the tobago seasoning that didn't germinate .
You can have some if you don't already have some when I get them.
http://www.pepperlover.com/pepper-seeds/heal-leve/hot-very-hot/peach-congo-pl-detail
I also plan to cross this with Bahamian Goat (not with bees)
Anyway thanks again for the seeds

Plantguy76 said:
I will try & isolate them as best I can maybe use some insect netting on one & plant them on the other side that gets more sun.I am planting a lot of flowers this year to attract bee,butterflies & beneficial insects.I plan on planting my aji melocoton ( PL) & aji brazilian starfish together with flowers around them for a international cross by bee's etcIf you want seeds for that cross I will send some your way.I am also getting peach congo (PL) another Judy creation for a replacement for the tobago seasoning that didn't germinate .You can have some if you don't already have some when I get them.http://www.pepperlover.com/pepper-seeds/heal-leve/hot-very-hot/peach-congo-pl-detailI also plan to cross this with Bahamian Goat (not with bees)Anyway thanks again for the seeds

P.S. yes those are some gnarly pods I like them that along with the description sold me lol
Judy has so many great varieties and her prices are real reasonable .
It makes it hard to choose just one lol

Sawyer · Mar 10, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
It makes it hard to choose just one lol

Ain't that the truth!? I better pass on the Peach Congo. Thanks for the offer, though. Maybe on the cross; we can talk about that in the fall.

PaulG · Mar 10, 2015

Hey John, the Peach Reaper pods were not real big, but some had
the phenotype you showed in the picture. I'll get some of the seeds
headed your way. I assume you are still at the same addy?

Sawyer · Mar 10, 2015

PaulG said:
Hey John, the Peach Reaper pods were not real big, but some had
the phenotype you showed in the picture. I'll get some of the seeds
headed your way. I assume you are still at the same addy?

Paul, yes, same address; thanks for sending. I wasn't thinking of the Peach there for awhile. It's the red podded one for which the seeds seem bad. My own Peach, I have 8 of 9 germinated. Together with some of yours, there's probably a good chance a plant or two will revert to red. (Not real sure just how multiply-genic pod color is.) Still holding out hope for the red seeds, too.

Sawyer · Mar 11, 2015

I know it's very late to be still starting seeds, but I planted flats PF6 and PF7 today. PF6 is all super/ultra hots and PF7 is almost all jalapeños.

I've also updated the germination numbers for PF4 only, which you can see here. Things are starting to pop in PF5 and I'll count those tomorrow. I found some Orchid and Trinidad Congo Red seeds, so I replanted the empty cells at PF3-23 and PF3-17, respectively, though I don't hold out much hope they'll germinate. I've given up on the Charapita (PF3-27) and TS CARDI (PF1-5), so I've replanted those cells with Reaper and TS Moruga Red, respectively. That'll throw things even more out of whack with respect to where things are growth-wise, but I just can't stand to see those empty cells.

I planted a quarter pound of ginseng seed today and 3 dozen ramps plants.

Oh, yeah, I meant to mention, since PF5 is starting to pop, I turned on the lower tier of lights. All three fixtures have one bulb that doesn't work and it's the circuit, not the bulbs. I can switch the bulbs from one side to the other and the bulb that wasn't working works and the one that was working doesn't. Kind of weird that all three fixtures would fail in the same way like that. I've replaced one of them with a new T8 fixture and both bulbs work, so it's not something weird in the wiring leading to the fixtures. I guess tomorrow I'll replace the other two. Or maybe I'll replace all five remaining T12 fixtures. I'd rather not spend the money, but I can sure tell a difference in the output, and so can the plants.

Pulpiteer · Mar 11, 2015

Sawyer said:
I know it's very late to be still starting seeds, but I planted flats PF6 and PF7 today.

I love it.

Plantguy76 · Mar 12, 2015

Sawyer said:
I know it's very late to be still starting seeds, but I planted flats PF6 and PF7 today. PF6 is all super/ultra hots and PF7 is almost all jalapeños.

I've also updated the germination numbers for PF4 only, which you can see here. Things are starting to pop in PF5 and I'll count those tomorrow. I found some Orchid and Trinidad Congo Red seeds, so I replanted the empty cells at PF3-23 and PF3-17, respectively, though I don't hold out much hope they'll germinate. I've given up on the Charapita (PF3-27) and TS CARDI (PF1-5), so I've replanted those cells with Reaper and TS Moruga Red, respectively. That'll throw things even more out of whack with respect to where things are growth-wise, but I just can't stand to see those empty cells.

I planted a quarter pound of ginseng seed today and 3 dozen ramps plants.

Oh, yeah, I meant to mention, since PF5 is starting to pop, I turned on the lower tier of lights. All three fixtures have one bulb that doesn't work and it's the circuit, not the bulbs. I can switch the bulbs from one side to the other and the bulb that wasn't working works and the one that was working doesn't. Kind of weird that all three fixtures would fail in the same way like that. I've replaced one of them with a new T8 fixture and both bulbs work, so it's not something weird in the wiring leading to the fixtures. I guess tomorrow I'll replace the other two. Or maybe I'll replace all five remaining T12 fixtures. I'd rather not spend the money, but I can sure tell a difference in the output, and so can the plants.

No worries John I am be starting more seeds when I get wicked mikes package and my replacement seed form Judy
We can't all be eager beaver's like some of the tbper's on here as much as we would like to be.
The local garden shops are behind anyway unless your Walmart, Lowes and menards and those places ship it in form warm places

Sawyer · Mar 12, 2015

Pulpiteer said:
I love it.

Plantguy76 said:
No worries John I am be starting more seeds when I get wicked mikes package and my replacement seed form Judy
We can't all be eager beaver's like some of the tbper's on here as much as we would like to be.
The local garden shops are behind anyway unless your Walmart, Lowes and menards and those places ship it in form warm places

Yeah, I'm not too worried. The jalapeños are fast growers, so there's no problem there. The late supers are for an experiment and they don't need to reach full production for it to be successful (though it would be nice). If it's like it was two years ago, we had a snow in May, so there's plenty of time for them to catch up.

PaulG · Mar 12, 2015

Awesome - 7 flats! You are shaming the rest of us, John!

Good luck getting the light fixtures under control. If you
are going to spend money on T8 fixtures, how about going
all the way to T5HO? I have been totally satisfied with mine
from HTGSupply.com:
http://www.htgsupply.com/Category%2DFluorescent%2DGrow%2DLights

I bought the HTG generic for 50bucks for a 4', 2-tube fixture and it has
performed great so far.

Sawyer · Mar 12, 2015

Hey, Paul, I think the only shame will be if I don't manage to keep up with all of these. I'm trying to find locals to help me grow some of them isolated from other peppers, and I have a tentative agreement with my certified-organic neighbor to grow the jalapenos. That will relieve some of the effort.

I found a stash of old, but NIB, T12 fixtures so I guess I'll use those for now. I'm not yet convinced that T5 has a substantial overall benefit over T8. I know the light output is higher, but the newer T8 bulbs I've found are listed at 2900 lumens at 32 Watts. That's a little over 90 lumens/W, which is not a whole lot less than the T5s. Putting three of the T8 fixtures side-by-side provides full coverage for a 2'x4' area (4 1020 flats) at 2175 lumens/sq.ft., which is plenty for starting seedlings. Considering I can buy a 2-bulb 4' T8 shoplight for $10.97 and a 2-pack of 6500K bulbs for $7.88 (5000K for $7.44), it's hard to justify the much higher cost of the T5s.

Especially considering whatever I buy (or don't) is just a stop-gap measure until some LED projects I'm working on bear fruit. Now that I have some dead T12 fixtures, I think I'll try to convert those to LEDs.

Edit: I just looked at what I think is the specific T5 model you bought, and that is by far the best deal I've seen on a T5 setup.

PaulG · Mar 12, 2015

I guess that I like the T5s because I have to grow
under them for a few months, way past seedling stage.
I will say that my pubescens varieties like the regular
fluoros much better than the T5s.

It would be cool to not have to use lights at all!

Good luck with your LED project.

Sawyer · Mar 12, 2015

PaulG said:
I guess that I like the T5s because I have to grow
under them for a few months, way past seedling stage.
I will say that my pubescens varieties like the regular
fluoros much better than the T5s.

It would be cool to not have to use lights at all! I tried this once. Didn't work out too well.

Good luck with your LED project.

Thanks. With any luck, I'll have some LED products ready in a few months. May try to get some THPers to beta test for me.

Plantguy76 · Mar 12, 2015

Hello John I wanted you to know that I received the Arkansas Reaper seeds today that you sent.
Thank you John so much for your kindness & generosity .
I also got my Peach Congo( PL) form Judy along with cumra cherry & red habanero as freebies
Now just waiting on wicked mikes and he thinks it will be here Friday & my jungle rain order oh and Nigel has told me he sent some out today or was going to try
Its all good I am thankful to you all its getting exciting now

Sawyer · Mar 12, 2015

Plantguy76 said:
Hello John I wanted you to know that I received the Arkansas Reaper seeds today that you sent.
Thank you John so much for your kindness & generosity .
I also got my Peach Congo( PL) form Judy along with cumra cherry & red habanero as freebies
Now just waiting on wicked mikes and he thinks it will be here Friday & my jungle rain order oh and Nigel has told me he sent some out today or was going to try
Its all good I am thankful to you all its getting exciting now

You know, Jason, I think those seeds are no good. I got none to germinate from my first planting, replanted 3/4 and have none from the second planting either. I sent you quite a few so maybe you can mass sow them somewhere out of the way. Maybe you'll get lucky. I'm going to send you some of the Peach version. Those have germinated 8 out 9 last time I checked and there may be a good chance some of them will revert to red.