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Sawyer '15 - Killing frost 11/22 + pics

Edit 03/09/15 - This OP was such a mess with multiple lists, Old Seed, New Seed, Saved Seed, Gifted Seed, etc., I'm redoing almost the whole post.  All of the lists have been merged into a single mega-list.  I am actually trying to grow at least two or three plants of almost everything on this list.  For those marked with a leading (x), I am currently out of stock of seed (though may have OW plants).  Those marked with a leading "*" are not currently planned to be grown in 2015.  Trailing numbers refer to the seed source, keyed at the bottom of the list.  The sourcing information is currently incomplete.  Many varieties I had linked to descriptions, but the formatting didn't survive the copy/paste.  I'll try to fix that at some point.  I also tried to arrange this list into 3 columns, but couldn't figure out how to do it here.
 
7 Pots:
*(x)Barrackpore
Barrackpore Chocolate(3)
Brain Strain Yellow(1,11)
(x)Brain Strain Red
*Brown Standard(1,11)
Brown Standard G3
*Brown Long
Brown Long G3
Burgundy
Caramel F2
Congo SR Gigantic
Douglah(1,11)
Jonah G2
Large Red
Mustard F2
*"not Red" (a serrano-/Inca Red Drop-shaped "not")
Original Red(11)
Peach F2
Primo(1,11)
Primo Yellow(13)
Red(1,12)
Red Long(9)
Yellow(12)
*(x)Yellow Large
Yellow Long(9)
White(1,3,11)

Trinidad Scorpions:
Butch T
CARDI(11)
Chocolate(6)
Moruga Brown(1,11)
Moruga Caramel(11)
Moruga Chocolate(15)
Moruga Red
Moruga Yellow(1,5,11)
*Moruga/Moruga Blend Yellow(12)
Red(12)
Sweet(3)
*Yellow(1(iso),11)
Yellow Original G2

Jolokias/Nagas:
Assam(12)
Banana Bhut F2
*BJ Brown G2
BJ Brown G3
BJ Giant(8)
BJ Orange
BJ Peach(11)
*(x)BJ Purple
BJ Red(1,11)
BJ White(11)
*BJ Yellow(11,12)
BJ Yellow G3
Black Naga(1,8)
BOC(3)
*(x)Naga King
Naga King Orange(15)
Naga Morich(12)
"not white" Yellow Bhut

Crosses/Mutations:
Arkansas Peach F2
Arkansas Reaper F3
Brown Bhutlah(15)
Bubblegum(3)
Carolina Reaper(1,6,7,14,16)
*(x)D'Bhut (7P Douglah x BJ)
Devils Brain(11)
Elysium Oxide Bonnet(1,4)
Jay's Peach Ghost Scorpion(1,3)
Jay's Red Ghost Scorpion
FG Jigsaw
Funky Reaper(7)
*Goat's Weed x Romy Mystery(?)
Madballz(1,3)
Nagabrain Chocolate F3 (9)
Peach Pheno(3)
Pimenta Lisa F3(9)
Red Bhutlah(15)
*(x)Sepia Serpent
*Long Smooth Red (spicy banana)

Bonnets/Habaneros:
Bahamian Goat(1,3)
Bonda Ma Jacques(1,3)
Brown SB
Brown Congo
Giant White Hab(11)
JA Hot Choc Hab
Large Yellow-orange Hab (not GWH)
Lemon Habanero
Long Brown
MoA SB G2 (1,18)
*(x)Orange Hab
Paper Lantern Hab(15)
Red Hab(11,15)
*(x)Snow White
Trinidad Congo Red(11)
*(x)Yellow Hab
*(x)White Bullet Hab

C. baccatums:
Aji Amarillo(14)
Aji Mango(11)
Birgit's Locoto(15)
Bishop's Crown (3)
(x)Blonde(3)
Brazilian Starfish(11)
Orchid(11)
Red Pumpkin(11)

C. pubescens:
*(x)Manzano Amarillo
*(x)Orange Manzano (2 types)
*(x)Orange Locoto
(x)Red Manzano
(x)Yellow Manzano
*Giant Mexican Rocoto(11)

Other C. chinenses:
Brown Egg(3)
Charapita
Datil
Fatalii Black(13)
Fatalii Cream(15)
Fatalii White(8,13)
*(x)Fatalii Yellow
Flaming Icicle(15)
Georgia Black(3)
Grenada Seasoning Yellow(15)
Mako Akokasrade
Malaysian Goronong(15)
Murupi Amarela(9)
Pimenta de Neyde(1,11)
Star of Turkey(11)
Tobago Treasure Red(1,3)
Tobago Treasure Yellow(11)
Tobago Treasure White(9)
Trinidad Cherry(3)
Trinidad Seasoning
White Devil's Tongue (1,3)

Jalapeños:
Ciclón, Colima, Tajin (mixed F2 seed)
Cracked(11)
Early(1,11,15)
Farmer's(11)
Jaloro(15)
M(15)
Orange(15)
Pinata(1,10)
Purple(15)
TAM(15)
Tormenta(9)

New Mexico:
64L(15)
*(x)Chimayo
Joe E. Parker(15)
Heritage Big Jim G2
Heritage 6-4(1,10)
Sandia(15)
Santa Fe Grande(15)

Sweet annuums:
Bull's Heart(11)
Chocolate Beauty(15)
Corno di Toro(15)
Corno di Toro, Orange(15)
Corno di Toro, Yellow(15)
Jimmy Nardello(15)
Kurtovska Kapija(20)
Marconi Golden(6)
Marconi Red(6)
Paradicsom Alaku Sarga Szentes(6)
Sulu Adana(11)
Syrian Three Sided(6)
Sweet Pickles(11)
Tekne Dolmasi(11)
Yellow Monster(6)

Ornamentals:
Aurora(15)
Black Pearl(15)
Chinese Five-Color(15)
Explosive Ember(15)
Golden Nugget(15)
Marbles(15)
NuMex Twilight(19)
Prairie Fire(15)
Purple Flash(15)

Other C. annuums:
Albanian Red Hot
Alma Paprika
*(x)Amarillo Chiltepin
Black Hungarian(6)
Caloro(15)
Çumra Cherry(11)
Devil Serrano(9)
*(x)Fish
Goat's Weed(11)
Hungarian Hot Cherry(3)
Large Red Hot Cherry(1,11)
Long Red Slim(16)
Mulato Isleno(15)
Padron(19)
Paprika(15)
Pasilla Bajio(6)
Pimiento de Padron(6)
Puya(15)
Takanotsume/Hawk Claw(16,17)
Tepin
Urfa Biber(20)

Special Projects:
MFPJ3(9)
MFPJ15(9)
MFPJ28(9)
MFPJ30(9)

Sources:
(1) - Self-saved (as are all otherwise unmarked entries)
(2) - PaulG
(3) - GA. Growhead
(4) - capsidadburn
(5) - PepperLover
(6) - Baker Creek
(7) - Devv
(8) - gnslngr
(9) - meatfreak
(10) - CPI
(11) - PL
(12) - MGOLD86
(13) - jcw10tc
(14) - RFC
(15) - TWF
(16) - Pepper Joe
(17) - DesertChris
(18) - Steve954
(19) - JSS
(20) - stickman
 
Though I only planted out fewer than a third of the seedlings I started last year, I did manage to keep almost all of the remaining 600+ unplanted ones alive all year, in the original germination flats, root-bound, stunted, unhappy, often standing in water for days at a time, but alive nonetheless.  My plan was to bring them in and overwinter them this winter in the south room intermediate (between germination and plant-out) plant stand.  This would significantly reduce my seed-starting requirements for this season.  Alas, within two or three days of bringing them in, some critter (I assume a rat, it's almost always a rat) found it's way into the room and mowed them all down.  I'd also brought in a white cherry tomato and 5 or 6 Manzanos in 3-gal pots.  It got them, too, including all the pods on one of the Manzanos I was hoping would ripen inside.  The tomato subsequently died, as did 2 or 3 of the Manzanos.  Two or three of them are hanging on.  It also killed one of my most prized house plants.  After tripping a trap twice without getting caught, and then becoming wary, I finally put out poison.  I hated doing it, one, because it seems cruel, but also because I have foxes, owls and hawks around here and I'd hate to secondarily poison one of them.  (I'm hoping it died under the house and will desiccate before things warm up in the spring.)   In any case, the problem seems resolved for now.
 
After that happened, I was so down about it all, I didn't keep up with the watering and while many of the seedlings tried to sprout out and recover, I let them dry out and that is what finally killed them.  Still, I have managed to keep a few alive, so if I can continue to keep them alive, I have these to start with this year, in no particular order (number of plants in parentheses):
OWs:
Primo (2)
7 Pot Peach (3)
7 Pot Brown Naga-type (3)
BJ Orange (2)
Brainstrain Red (7)
TS Yellow (5)
7 Pot Brown Best (5)
Large Yellow-orange Hab/Not GWH (4)
SB Brown (3)
7 Pot Brown Long Congo-type (5)
7 Pot Red (1)
Chocolate Barrackpore (6)
Peach Cross (3)
TS Sweet (2)
Tobago Treasure (5)
Funky Reaper (1)
Hungarian Hot (1)
Blonde (4)
BOC (1)
Bahamian Goat (3)
Goat's Weed (1)
 
For those interested, my 2013 Glog can be found here, and the 2014 Glog can be found here
 
You can see a picture of my germination setup in this post, and a closer shot of it plus a shot of the secondary growth station in this post.  The most recent germination numbers for this year can be found in this post.
 
My technique is crude and targeted for medium-large quantities of seeds and plants.  I don't soak seeds; they get planted directly into a moist soilless mix in 72-cell inserts in standard 1020 nursery flats.  Sometimes I use Fafard 3B germination mix, but this year I am using recycled Sunshine #1 mixed 3.8 cu.ft. to 3.0 cu.ft. pine bark mulch.  I keep everything watered with a dilute mix of Peter's 10-20-30 water soluble fertilizer.  Germinating flats are kept on heater pads and I try to keep the temperature at 82ºF.  In fact, it winds up fluctuating from day to night (lights on and off) and as the temperature fluctuates outside.  I actually have begun to believe a fluctuating temperature is better than a fixed temperature. 
 
The light in the germination stand is provided by three 2-bulb T12 shop lights on each level.  The bulbs are a mixture of color temperatures.  The fixtures and bulbs are getting old and the lumen output has dropped below what I consider acceptable.  I'll likely replace them soon (next year for sure, maybe sooner) with an equal number of T8s.  In the longer run, I'm designing LED lighting for the space.  Right now, the secondary growth stand doesn't have any supplemental lighting except for a couple of CFLs in reflector clamp lamps.  Most of the light comes from the south-facing picture window.  That's not really sufficient, but it does work.  It all works well enough for me for now (knock on wood).
 
Don't know how I missed this one! SUPER I MEAN SUPER GROW LIST!WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK ON THIS YEARS GROW.As for the varmints hope you can get rid of those little devils hard enough to grow on a large scale with insects and those worries,let alone rats.
 
Voles, hate those little bastards. Think you only have one, set traps and can't empty them fast enough. I think I dumped over 15 voles in  a few days before switching to poison pellets. looking back probably not a good idea because they would die in the garden and release those toxins back into the soil. Looks like i'm starting the year out with traps again and will just try and make them bird proof. Got a poor baby bird last year by the leg and caught the dog terrorizing it around the yard. Rabbits are another pet peeve. No matter how well I try to fence things they still get in, dogs love the little coco pebble treats they leave laying every where. Which is just disturbing to us non turd eaters. 
 
GL on the grow this year. Some good things on the list. Aji amarillo still on my wanted list and curious about the Fatalii cream, I need to see if nigel has done a review on it. I was up all night moving my SEED LIST to a excel file and put it on dropbox. I think I need to add another column for "Currently Growing" as well. Was nice being able to click a button and have it all sorted alphabetically for me. Still needs lots of work, eventually I will sort it by pepper type as well. 
 
Only thing this Glog is missing...... 
 
 
Pulpiteer said:
Yeah, that new stuff on pepperlover is killer. You cannot go there and leave without over ordering. What a great and unique selection.

And those sales on tradewinds are cool, I agree. Gets you to try things you might not normally. Another good site is All Good Things Organic Seeds (the purple throated mullein). Interesting stuff. My first experience with them two years ago led to a good customer experience. Their customer service was awesome.
Sometimes, I think I order from PL just to see what freebies she'll throw in.  She/they definitely have the whole good PR thing down.  While I've generally not been a big fan of the "corked" peppers, the Farmers' Jal and the Albanian Red are so extreme, I just have to give them a try.  The described flavor profiles sound like they could have some interesting uses.  Likewise with the Aji Mango.  The Tekne Dolmasi sounds like an very useful sweet pepper and I'd really like to grow a 1 pound pepper.  The main reason I got the Sulu Adana is for a quick, refreshing snack while working in the garden.  Plus, I like the name, and they were only a dollar.
 
I have All Good Things linked in my plants and seeds bookmark folder, based on your good experience, but I haven't ordered anything from them yet.  Before this PL order, I thought I was done ordering seeds for the year.
 
JJJessee said:
Good to see you back in the saddle, John.
I haven't started my main sow either but I'm going to put a few in soil early next week.
Tough break on a that rat. I wouldn't have seen that coming.
Onions are looking fine! I've got them under row-cover .Plus I've got several others started from seed again.
Good Luck for 2015!
Thanks, Carl.  It was rainy and cold Sunday, so I still haven't started anything.  Today is no good as I have errands and meetings, but soon..., very soon...
 
Yeah, rats, and everything else, have been a problem.  This more than anything has me thinking seriously about getting a cat and a dog.
 
Glad the onions are doing well.  Something has eaten the tops of a lot of mine, but they look like they'll survive.  I added more mulch.  A row cover is a good idea; maybe I'll do that, too.  I have, on occasion, confused the potato onions and shallots.  All you have to do is taste them to tell the difference, though.  The potato onions are quite a bit more pungent, in my opinion.
 
Good luck to you, too!

 
mpicante said:
Don't know how I missed this one! SUPER I MEAN SUPER GROW LIST!WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK ON THIS YEARS GROW.As for the varmints hope you can get rid of those little devils hard enough to grow on a large scale with insects and those worries,let alone rats.
 Hey, Florisa, thanks for stopping by and for the good wishes.  I'll be implementing a multi-front assault on the varmints this year, even if it comes down to camping in the garden with a shotgun at night.  BTW, in case you missed it, my actual grow list starts about halfway down the OP.  The first list(s) are everything I have that I'm selecting from.  The actual grow list is a lot more reasonable, though it's getting longer by the day.  Ultimately, I want to have all the varieties linked to a description, so folks don't have to goole the names for more info.  I can't figure out how to do that in my profile, hence my inclusion of everything here in the OP.
 
D3monic said:
Voles, hate those little bastards. Think you only have one, set traps and can't empty them fast enough. I think I dumped over 15 voles in  a few days before switching to poison pellets. looking back probably not a good idea because they would die in the garden and release those toxins back into the soil. Looks like i'm starting the year out with traps again and will just try and make them bird proof. Got a poor baby bird last year by the leg and caught the dog terrorizing it around the yard. Rabbits are another pet peeve. No matter how well I try to fence things they still get in, dogs love the little coco pebble treats they leave laying every where. Which is just disturbing to us non turd eaters. 
 
GL on the grow this year. Some good things on the list. Aji amarillo still on my wanted list and curious about the Fatalii cream, I need to see if nigel has done a review on it. I was up all night moving my SEED LIST to a excel file and put it on dropbox. I think I need to add another column for "Currently Growing" as well. Was nice being able to click a button and have it all sorted alphabetically for me. Still needs lots of work, eventually I will sort it by pepper type as well. 
 
Only thing this Glog is missing...... 
 
 Yeah, Michael, voles are awfully prolific.  I bought an 8-pack of traps the other day, but haven't set them out yet.  I'm not entirely certain that's what's been eating my shallot and onion tops, but I think it is.  I agree with you about poison in the garden.  I try to avoid it.  Rabbits contributed to the horrible luck I had with beans last year, and also kept my newly-planted comfrey from doing as well as I hoped.  Two years ago I had a fox hanging around and it ate at least a couple of rabbits, but I didn't see it last year.  I also have hawks and owls that help a lot, but it's not enough.
 
Send me a PM if you're interested in some Aji Amarillo or Fatalii Cream, or Yellow Bhut.  I tried to look at your list on DB, but I don't have an account, so it wouldn't let me in.
 
I'll work on getting some pictures posted.
 
Essegi said:
Whoa! Insane list!
Wish you best luck!
Thanks, SG.  I definitely won't be planting everything I have, but I want to.  It's really, really hard to say no when every pepper has its own particular characteristics.
 
JoynersHotPeppers said:
I cannot believe your list is so short this year Sawyer, hopefully you find a few more types for your grow.  :rolleyes:
I know, right?  I'm almost ashamed to post it.
 
 
wahlee76 said:
Another great growlist :onfire:
 
I predict you'll need more days in a week again :P  - Yep, either time travel or human cloning needs to be perfected.
TrentL said:
Sweet Jeebus that's a lot of seeds to pick from for your grow!
Runescape said:
Awesome list, cant wait for some pics...
 
Yeah, All Good Things is pretty neat.
Thanks for stopping in, guys. 
 
After numerous delays, things are finally starting to happen here.  I have, over the last couple of weeks, inventoried (and again) my seed stock and fine-tuned my grow list.  I've found some missing seeds and obtained some new ones, but a few seem lost for good.  I also made a bulk sale of seeds (~3600) on eBay (I know, I know, but it's a sale, not a purchase).  That was a pleasant and unexpected surprise. 
 
It's been sunny today and warmed up into the mid- to upper-60s.  Was going to start sowing, but decided to pot up whatever plants survived the rat attack first.  Good thing I did, because now I need to tweak my sow list, yet again.  A few varieties I don't need to plant seeds for.  Best thing is I have plants for Brainstrain Red and Blonde, both of which I was out of/misplaced seeds.  I also cleaned up (sort of) and filled eight 72-cell germination flats; four are designated for peppers and four for other things (TBD/TBA).  In contrast to today, tomorrow the high is supposed to be in the mid-30s and the weather wintry.  Having the flats already filled and inside in the grow station, I can sow tomorrow regardless of weather.
 
Another thing I've done is combine all the lists (pre-existing seed, freshly-saved seed from 2014, and new acquisitions for 2015) in the OP (along with some varieties obtained since then) into a single list of all the varieties I have.  Rather than editing the OP ad infinitum, I'm just going to post the combined list here.  Items marked with a leading (x) are varieties for which I am out of or have misplaced seeds (though will still grow, if I have plants already).  Trailing numbers in parentheses represent my original source, with a key at the bottom of the list.  I'm still working on restoring those acknowledgments.  I've decided to grow at least a plant or two of just about everything on the list, primarily to beef up my seed supply.  I'm still tweaking exactly which I'll grow, but it should be finalized later tonight and, as I said, will include almost everything here.  As I eliminate a very few, I'll mark them with a leading asterisk (mostly those for which I have neither seed nor plants).  I've also tried to refine my categorization scheme.  If you see something that looks out of place, please bring it to my attention.    It's still a work in progress, but without further ado, here's the megalist:
 
7 Pots:
*(x)Barrackpore
Barrackpore Chocolate(3)
Brain Strain Yellow(1,11)
(x)Brain Strain Red
*Brown Standard(1,11)
Brown Standard G3
*Brown Long
Brown Long G3
Burgundy
Caramel F2
Congo SR Gigantic
Douglah(1,11)
Jonah G2
Large Red
Mustard F2
*"not Red" (a serrano-/Inca Red Drop-shaped "not")
Original Red(11)
*Peach F2
Peach F3
Primo(1,11)
Primo Yellow(13)
Red(1,12)
Red Long(9)
Yellow(12)
*(x)Yellow Large
Yellow Long(9)
White(1,3,11)

Trinidad Scorpions:
Butch T
CARDI(11)
Chocolate
Moruga Brown(1,11)
Moruga Chocolate(15)
Moruga Red
Moruga Yellow(1,5,11)
Moruga/Moruga Blend Yellow(12)
Red(12)
Sweet(3)
Yellow(1(iso),11)
Yellow Original G2

Jolokias/Nagas:
Assam(12)
Banana Bhut F2
*BJ Brown G2
BJ Brown G3
BJ Giant(8)
BJ Orange
BJ Peach(11)
*(x)BJ Purple
BJ Red(1,11)
BJ White(11)
*BJ Yellow(11,12)
BJ Yellow G3
Black Naga(1,8)
BOC(3)
*(x)Naga King
Naga King Orange(15)
Naga Morich(12)
"not white" Yellow Bhut

Crosses/Mutations:
Arkansas Peach F2
Arkansas Reaper F3
Bubblegum(3)
Carolina Reaper(1,6,7,14,16)
*(x)D'Bhut (7P Douglah x BJ)
Elysium Oxide Bonnet(1,4)
Jay's Peach Ghost Scorpion(1,3)
Jay's Red Ghost Scorpion
FG Jigsaw
Funky Reaper(7)
Goat's Weed x Romy Mystery(?)
Madballz(1,3)
Nagabrain Chocolate F3 (9)
PI-441598x? F3 Peach(3)
Pimenta Lisa F3(9)
*(x)Sepia Serpent
*Long Smooth Red (spicy banana)

Bonnets/Habaneros:
Bahamian Goat(1,3)
Bonda Ma Jacques(1,3)
Brown SB
Brown Congo
Giant White Hab
*(x)JA Hot Choc Hab
Large Yellow-orange Hab (not GWH)
Long Brown
MoA SB G2 (1,18)
*(x)Orange Hab
Paper Lantern Hab(15)
Red Hab(15)
*(x)Snow White
Trinidad Congo Red(11)
*(x)Yellow Hab
*(x)White Bullet Hab

C. baccatums:
Aji Amarillo(14)
Aji Mango(11)
Birgit's Locoto(14)
Bishop's Crown (3)
(x)Blonde(3)
Brazilian Starfish(11)
Orchid(11)
Red Pumpkin(11)

C. pubescens:
*(x)Manzano Amarillo
*(x)Orange Manzano (2 types)
*(x)Orange Locoto
(x)Red Manzano
(x)Yellow Manzano
Giant Mexican Rocoto(11)

Other C. chinenses:
Brown Egg(3)
Charapita
Datil
Fatalii Black(13)
Fatalii Cream(15)
Fatalii White(8,13)
*(x)Fatalii Yellow
Flaming Icicle(15)
Georgia Black(3)
Grenada Seasoning Yellow(15)
Mako Akokasrade
Malaysian Goronong(15)
Murupi Amarela(9)
Pimenta de Neyde(1,11)
Star of Turkey(11)
Tobago Treasure Red(1,3)
Tobago Treasure Yellow(11)
Tobago Treasure White(9)
Trinidad Cherry(3)
Trinidad Seasoning
White Devil's Tongue (1,3)

Jalapeños:
Ciclón, Colima, Tajin (mixed F2 seed)
Cracked(11)
Early(1,11)
Farmer's(11)
Jaloro(15)
Orange(15)
Pinata(1,10)
Purple(15)
Tormenta(9)

New Mexico:
64L(15)
*(x)Chimayo
Joe E. Parker(15)
Heritage Big Jim G2
Heritage 6-4(1,10)
Sandia(15)
Santa Fe Grande(15)

Sweet annuums:
Bull's Heart(11)
Chocolate Beauty(15)
Corno di Toro(15)
Corno di Toro, Orange(15)
Corno di Toro, Yellow(15)
Jimmy Nardello(15)
Marconi Golden(6)
Marconi Red(6)
Paradicsom Alaku Sarga Szentes(6)
Sulu Adana(11)
Syrian Three Sided(6)
Sweet Pickles(11)
Tekne Dolmasi(11)
Yellow Monster(6)

Other C. annuums:
Albanian Red Hot
Alma Paprika
*(x)Amarillo Chiltepin
Black Hungarian(6)
Caloro(15)
Devil Serrano(9)
Explosive Ember(15)
*(x)Fish
Goat's Weed(11)
Golden Nugget(15)
Hungarian Hot Cherry(3)
Large Red Hot Cherry(1,11)
Long Red Slim(16)
Mulato Isleno(15)
NuMex Twilight(19)
Padron(19)
Paprika(15)
Pasilla Bajio(6)
Pimiento de Padron(6)
Prairie Fire(15)
Puya(15)
Takanotsume/Hawk Claw(16,17)
Tepin

Special Projects:
MFPJ3
MFPJ15
MFPJ28
MFPJ30

Sources:
(1) - Self-saved (as are all otherwise unmarked entries)
(2) - PaulG
(3) - GA. Growhead
(4) - capsidadburn
(5) - PepperLover
(6) - Baker Creek
(7) - Devv
(8) - gnslngr
(9) - meatfreak
(10) - CPI
(11) - PL
(12) - MGOLD86
(13) - jcw10tc
(14) - RFC
(15) - TWF
(16) - Pepper Joe
(17) - DesertChris
(18) - Steve954
(19) - JSS
 
Here's a list, in no particular order, of the plants (number of plants in parentheses) I potted up today.  I'll take some pictures tomorrow, but won't post them until I know if the plants are going to pull through.  Some of them look like nothing so much as a slightly green, pliable piece of toothpick stuck in the ground.  Once I see new growth, I'll post before and after pics.
 
Primo (1)
7 Pot Peach (1)
7 Pot Brown Long (4)  (Formerly I called this "Naga-type" because of it's length, not because I though there were any Naga genes in it.)
BJ Orange (2)
BrainStrain Red (7)
TS Yellow Original (5)
7 Pot Brown - Best Strain (10)
Large Yellow-orange Hab - not GWH (3)
7 Pot Burgundy (3)
BJ Red (1)
Chocolate Barrackpore (6)
PI-441598x? F3 Peach (3)
TS Sweet (3)
Tobago Treasure (5)
Blonde (3)
BOC (1)
Bahamian Goat (1)
GWH (1)
Jigsaw (2)
7 Pot Brown (long Congo pheno) (2)
7 Pot Red (3)
 
The last four, in particular, are just bare little sticks, but they are green and the roots seemed good.  We'll see what happens.  That's 67 plants but by doubling and tripling up on some of the less likely-looking ones, I put them all in 54 3.5" square pots for three flats of 18 each.
 
Edit:  I also have three Manzanos that have survived OW so far, two red and one yellow or vice versa, one Goat's Weed and one unknown ornamental.
 
stickman said:
Cooeee! That's an ambitious list! Will you be starting on it this weekend John?
 
I hope to plant them tomorrow, Rick.  To make way for sooo many varieties, I'm really cutting back on numbers of each.  For the most part, I'll plant 3 seeds per cell, 6 cells each of TS Moruga Brown and Chocolate (is there a difference, I wonder?), 3 cells each of most chinense, and 2 cells each of most everything else.  I think I can get all the varieties into four 72-cell flats with that scheme.  If all three seeds in each cell grow, that'll give me 3x72x4=864 plants, which is pretty much on target for what I want, after allowing for some losses. 
 
Sawyer said:
 
I hope to plant them tomorrow, Rick.  To make way for sooo many varieties, I'm really cutting back on numbers of each.  For the most part, I'll plant 3 seeds per cell, 6 cells each of TS Moruga Brown and Chocolate (is there a difference, I wonder?), 3 cells each of most chinense, and 2 cells each of most everything else.  I think I can get all the varieties into four 72-cell flats with that scheme.  If all three seeds in each cell grow, that'll give me 3x72x4=864 plants, which is pretty much on target for what I want, after allowing for some losses. 
 
Good grief, man.
 
I grew 230 plants last year and that was WAY more than I could handle properly. :)
 
Your grow is beyond ambitious!
 
This year I'm cutting back to "only" 120 something, with a target of 1 plant per variety. Even that is going to be a handful.
 
I can't even fathom growing nearly 900 plants.
 
Pulpiteer said:
That list is simply insane. That's all I can say.
 
Those seeds you sent have really popped, btw. Excellent germination rates! Now to see what they look like as they grow out.
Hi, Andy.  I'm glad those seeds popped for you.  I don't remember if the 7 Pot Peach seeds I sent are F2 or F3, but both of the others are F2, so it's definitely a roll of the dice as to what you're going to get.  Hopefully something interesting.
 
Spicegeist said:
Looks like you will be very very busy this year!
Hello, Charles, thanks for stopping by.  Yes, it's going to be a very busy year.  In addition to building up a seed stash for long term storage, I also want to evaluate these varieties for some very specific applications.  Many of these varieties, in all likelihood, won't be grown next year.
 
TrentL said:
 
Good grief, man.
 
I grew 230 plants last year and that was WAY more than I could handle properly. :)
 
Your grow is beyond ambitious!
 
This year I'm cutting back to "only" 120 something, with a target of 1 plant per variety. Even that is going to be a handful.
 
I can't even fathom growing nearly 900 plants.
Hey, Trent.  I grew up working in tomato fields and growing peppers is much the same.  Roughly 1000 plants per quarter acre for tomatoes, but I'll be cramming the peppers in more tightly than that.  I've got somewhere between 150 and 160 varieties, but with all the variability in the genetics, I don't want to risk having just one plant of each, especially with the unstable low-Fs.
 
It's too early to really speak much about this, but if things work out as planned, I should have some help with the crop this year, at least when it comes time for processing.  Stay tuned for details.
 
Pulpiteer said:
With roughly 1000 plants per acre - what is the spacing you use between plants and between rows?
 
Andy, that's 1000 plants per quarter acre, or 4000 plants per acre.  This was 40 or 50 years ago, so my memory is not precise, but I remember them being spaced about 2'-3' apart in rows 4'-6' apart.  There was plenty of room to move around between rows with a 5-gallon bucket, even when the plants were at full maturity.  Within the row, mature plants would touch, but not seriously entangle.  Reasons for such a large spacing in-row were to minimize opportunity for disease to spread and to make it easier to find hornworms when they attacked a particular plant.  Also, the fields were cultivated by tractor early in the season, so that had something to do with row spacing, too.  Just like with peppers, I plant a lot more densely in my garden now.
 
I looked around and found this in a commercial tomato-growing guide from UGA: 
 
"Generally, for production of determinate varieties on plastic mulch, a minimum of 5 feet between rows is used with an in-row spacing of 18 to 24 inches. Six feet between rows is also a popular interval. To space plants 22 inches apart in rows that are 5 feet apart requires 4,760 plants per acre. With 6-foot centers and 18 inches between plants, 4,840 plants are required per acre. Usually a single row of tomatoes is planted down the center of each plastic mulched bed.
 
On bare ground, space rows 48 to 72 inches apart with 18 inches to 24 inches between plants in the row. For indeterminate types of tomatoes, which produce larger plants, adjust spacing to decrease the population accordingly."
 
We grew indeterminate varieties, so I think my memory is more or less correct.  It was conventional wisdom back then that a grower could net $4000 per acre for an effort that only occupied about half a day per day for about five months of the year.  Back then, that was a significant boost to farm income and a lot of farmers' wives would grow a half acre or acre to supplement the family income.  (My great aunt grew a half acre every year up until she was killed in a car wreck at 80 years old.)  My immediate family didn't, but we (Mom and I) would usually work in the neighbor's field.  I guess I started as soon as I was big enough to drag a 5-gallon bucket down the row... picking tomatoes is one of my earliest (and pleasant) memories.  When I was 15 I attempted to grow a quarter acre of my own, starting with a standing thicket of pine trees.  I made more money from the pulpwood my cousin and I harvested clearing the land than from the tomatoes, but that's another story entirely.
 
Wow, thanks for that information John! Did you mean half a day "per day" or "per week" for that $4000 per acre?  That's interesting stuff.  I think 1 1/2 feet between plants works well for me with peppers, but I know I don't space out my rows the best.  6 feet is a big spacing though, but understandable if you're using machinery.  You'll have to get a good shot of a quarter acre full of peppers.  That would be cool.  I remember a few years back Alabama Jack had a video of I think some scorpions he had a cousin of his farming, and the plants were huge and there were a ton of them.  It's a neat sight to see.
 
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