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Scotch Bonnets

Just plain old common orange habs, as far as I know. Got the seeds from Livingston Seed Co. Seeds came out of this packet. I think the double paned window behind it helps. The sun reflects off of the window and it gets light from all directions. This is my healthiest plant... 1 year old.

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I use MG Tomato Food Fert.... so maybe that has something to do with the appearance. Once a month, weather permitting.
 
Nice! Not only are the leaves especially green, they're smoother, narrower, and more pointed than other Habs and Bonnets, more like annuum leaves. Bonda Ma Jacques and Chupetinha both have leaves like that, one of the reasons I like those plants so much.

I noticed on your seed packet that the pods have what I always think of as the "classic" Habanero shape. I like it!

Good luck with your grow this year! It sure has been feeling like spring lately...

P. Dreadie said:
I did very little last year in my garden. A few tomatoes , some greens , and a couple of peppers.

This year I plan to do much more again. SB peppers are my favorites. I sort of specialize on them.

I had given SB seeds to some folks here. Several strains. I didn't even look in on the forum last summer to their results. If I gave you seeds would you be so kind as to tell
your thoughts. Good or Bad ... taste/aroma .... did they grow well ... etc

Thanks & Peace,
P. Dreadie
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Sorry to derail your thread with the Habanero discussion, Dreadie...I wrote the post below before I realized you were asking about Scotch Bonnet seeds that you had sent out to THP growers...My response is not exactly relevant then, but I spent a few minutes composing it, so I'd rather not delete it...

I've grown "True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet" from Peppermania for 2 years, 12 plants both years, in-ground, in very hot, long summers. Compared to the other chinenses in the garden, they are a little slower to start and a little slower-growing, but tend to produce better than the others in the most intense heat of the summer. The overall productivity is average, but in the very hottest part of the summer they produce the best.

One other oddity I've noticed about this particular variety—The first couple of waves of pods have only mild-to-medium heat. The full Hab-strength pods don't come until the end of the season. Maybe I'm doing something wrong...Maybe some other growers here have some input on that matter. The flavor and aroma of the full-strength pods are excellent...I can't really describe it, only to say that it's more "noble" than the other Caribbean chinenses, which can be overly pungent for some people. (I'm speaking of Congo Trinidad in particular, one of my personal favorites, but which my wife and one of my co-workers say smells like burnt plastic.) When I puree the fresh pods with lime juice to make a pepper "mash" the aroma and flavor really come out. Maybe you could call it "smokey;" it's hard to describe. Wonderful, though.

One of my favorite things about full-sized Jamaican Scotch Bonnets are their color and shape—I think it's one of the prettiest of any fruit around. These pods are from my 2011 grow:

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windchicken said:
… I've grown "True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet" from Peppermania for 2 years … …
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This line is somewhat incorrect IMHO, as we both know that the “True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet” is the MoA Scotch Bonnet that Steve provided us seeds with. Others reading this post can read Steve’s glog here to understand what I mean. Since both you, Steve, a few others Steve provided seeds to and I are growing them … we can truly say that line “True Jamaican Scotch Bonnet.” :cheers:
 
I'm also growing Steve's MoA Bonnets, which I trust are the official Jamaican government accession. As for the Peppermania "TJSB", as Beth calls them, I understand that the line came from pods collected in a market in Jamaica. In the sense that they are Scotch Bonnets and they did, in fact, come from Jamaica, I believe it's accurate to call the Peppermania Bonnets "True Jamaican." At any rate, I'm only using the name Beth uses in her catalog.

I understand the significance of the MoA Scotch Bonnets is that the strain actually grown by farmers in Jamaica was becoming weak, and the Ministry of Agriculture produced the improved Bonnet seeds (some of which a few of us THP growers were lucky enough to acquire through STEVE954) to insure consistent quality of an extremely important Jamaican agri-product.

I'm excited to be growing the MoA peppers. Right now I have 6 sprouts from 6 cells sown. I'm hoping they are even better than Beth's already excellent Scotch Bonnets.

Here's a pik of the Peppermania Bonnets from my 2012 grow. Compare the shape to that of Steve's photo above:

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windchicken said:
I'm also growing Steve's MoA Bonnets, which I trust are the official Jamaican government accession. As for the Peppermania "TJSB", as Beth calls them, I understand that the line came from pods collected in a market in Jamaica. In the sense that they are Scotch Bonnets and they did, in fact, come from Jamaica, I believe it's accurate to call the Peppermania Bonnets "True Jamaican." I'm only using the name Beth uses in her catalog.

I understand the significance of the MoA Scotch Bonnets is that the strain actually grown by farmers in Jamaica was becoming weak, and the Ministry of Agriculture produced the seeds (some of which a few of us THP growers were lucky enough to acquire through STEVE954) to insure consistent quality of an extremely important Jamaican agri-product.

I'm excited to be growing the MoA peppers. Right now I have 6 sprouts from 6 cells sown.
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Thank you Gary,

I too have grown Peppermania's "Jamaican scotch bonnet". They are great peppers in their own right(very prolific). I also believe them to be from Jamiaca, as Beth Boyd said the seeds come from a horticulturist. That doesn't make them "true scotch bonnets'', I strongly believe that Beth's "Jamaican scotch bonnets" to have habanero dna in their genetic makeup.
 
Until the MoA Bonnets came along there was no challenge to Beth's calling her pepper "True Jamaican." Steve, since you're the only one who has grown both of them, you are really the only one who can say which is better or truer. I've never even been to Jamaica.

At any rate, there are plenty of THP growers anxiously awaiting their first MoA Bonnet...What a great community!
 
windchicken said:
Until the MoA Bonnets came along there was no challenge to Beth's calling her pepper "True Jamaican." Steve, since you're the only one who has grown both of them, you are really the only one who can say which is better or truer. I've never even been to Jamaica.
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Gary, this could just be a matter of semantics and what she really should have called it is “Jamaican Scotch Bonnet.” Rather than using the word “True” thrown in there. Just because someone says I’ve been to Jamaica on a cruise or flown there on vacation, acquired a pepper does not make it correct to label it as “True.” While I do not know her story, I seen many come and go while living there and 90% were petrified to leave the protected area of the mighty “all inclusive properties” or the so taunted “protected cruise ship tourists. Most of these will pay some local to run and fetch them a pepper, alas a quasi new “true” Jamaican pepper … no offense to you or the beautiful peppers that you have grown. But I call this use of the term "True" by a horticulturist or anyone bullshit compared to an official or non-official statement coming from a Ministry of their government. I for one know how serious their government achieves to preform ...

While I never took the steps which Steve has and please call me a dolt for not doing so as I lived there, grew peppers there and even raced sailboats weekly with an ex-minister of the Jamaican Ministry of Agriculture. This is why I say “hats off” \o_ to Steve from what he did and I for one am extremely excited to be one growing this pepper. I can tell you first hand how serious the JMOA is and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity and we can now say with 100% certainty that we are growing the “True” Jamaican Scotch Bonnet.

windchicken said:
At any rate, there are plenty of THP growers anxiously awaiting their first MoA Bonnet...What a great community!
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Agreed mon!!!

STEVE954 said:
… I too have grown Peppermania's "Jamaican scotch bonnet". They are great peppers in their own right(very prolific). I also believe them to be from Jamiaca, as Beth Boyd said the seeds come from a horticulturist. That doesn't make them "true scotch bonnets'', I strongly believe that Beth's "Jamaican scotch bonnets" to have habanero dna in their genetic makeup.
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While I don’t know about them having a habanero dna or not, I completely agree with the rest of your statement. The JMOA wouldn’t have taken the steps they have been taking if all their farmers did not let the species degrade. Take it from one who has seriously rolled up his sleeves and meet, associated and made business deals with Jamaicans island wide. Including various departments of their government and they take matters very serious ...

Side note I’d like to say these are great people and the negatives associated with crime there can be applied to numerous other cities and towns around the world.
*I mean no insults in this post to Gary, Steve or the Jamaican people*
 
Don't put anymore Habanero stuff on this thread. I make Jerk and drink beer !! So watch it ! Lol .. just jesting .. I've grown lots of different Caribbean peppers over the years and have narrowed down what I like. I'll still grow Yellow Congos , Harold's St Bart , Trinidad Perfume , and some others. They all have a place in the way I cook or sauces I might make. I cook with peppers more than making pastes , rubs , or sauces. But I do make a lot of Jerk ...

A long time ago I grew some Bonnet seeds my friend "Coffee Man" sent me. His family has grown coffee for years . They aren't a plantainion operation. They are lower down the mountain than the Big guys. I had him send seeds from his auntie. They called them "Goat Peppers " , my guess is a goat ate part of the pepper tree at sometime. The peppers were big and very tasty ! Great Tam shape too. To me from what I knew then they were Scotch Bonnets. Jamaican's have a way of naming or is it re-naming things.... but me feel dem was Scotch Bonnets. That's still what I'm looking for .....

On my side my Mom got sick and other things came up and I stopped growing them. Didn't have the time even tho I was just growing 3 plants every year. Wish I wouldn't have stopped ...

I was given some TFM seeds. Had no how idea how old they were , or how pure they are , but several have sprouted. So I should be able to test them this year.

The MoA bonnets sound like they should be super !! I hope get some seeds for next year .

Peace ,
P.Dreadie
 
Phil said:
I bought some from Duffy.... trustworthy, I'm sure?
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I've never used him, but he seems to have cred in the community. They're probably really good peppers...I would grow them.

WalkGood said:
*I mean no insults in this post to Gary, Steve or the Jamaican people*
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None taken mon. It's nice to be mentioned in the same sentence with the Jamaican people!

By the way, this morning I went back and inspected Beth's seeds packets, website, and PDF catalog. Apparently she has dropped the word "True" from her "Jamaican Scotch Bonnet" product name. Maybe she anticipated the potentially contentious nature of that label... ;)

So now perhaps the question is whose MoA Bonnets will grow the truest? :P Maybe which ever grower is the most dread? :P

P. Dreadie said:
Don't put anymore Habanero stuff on this thread. I make Jerk and drink beer !! So watch it ! Lol .. just jesting .. I've grown lots of different Caribbean peppers over the years and have narrowed down what I like. I'll still grow Yellow Congos , Harold's St Bart , Trinidad Perfume , and some others. They all have a place in the way I cook or sauces I might make. I cook with peppers more than making pastes , rubs , or sauces. But I do make a lot of Jerk ...

A long time ago I grew some Bonnet seeds my friend "Coffee Man" sent me. His family has grown coffee for years . They aren't a plantainion operation. They are lower down the mountain than the Big guys. I had him send seeds from his auntie. They called them "Goat Peppers " , my guess is a goat ate part of the pepper tree at sometime. The peppers were big and very tasty ! Great Tam shape too. To me from what I knew then they were Scotch Bonnets. Jamaican's have a way of naming or is it re-naming things.... but me feel dem was Scotch Bonnets. That's still what I'm looking for .....

On my side my Mom got sick and other things came up and I stopped growing them. Didn't have the time even tho I was just growing 3 plants every year. Wish I wouldn't have stopped ...

I was given some TFM seeds. Had no how idea how old they were , or how pure they are , but several have sprouted. So I should be able to test them this year.

The MoA bonnets sound like they should be super !! I hope get some seeds for next year .

Peace ,
P.Dreadie
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Wow, great story! Are the excellent pod shots on Page 1 of this thread peppers grown from the seeds of Coffee Man's Auntie?

You will be among the first to receive fresh MoA pods from me!
 
Never saw those ... maybe there was. For me it was a "spice pepper " ... small shaped like a small Jolly-Pheno without much flavor to me or a Scotch Bonnet .

windchicken ... so we love the Jamaican peoples eh ?? Respects nuff times

I never took pictures of the Goat Peppers from Auntie. No need ... there was no internet or pepper forums at least not for me in those days. Must have been around 85' . All I could find in those days were dried Habaneros from Melissa's. They were as close as it got ..... but not quite right ..

I just grew a few plants every year. Nuff to freeze and fill my needs until the next year.
 
windchicken said:
I'm also growing Steve's MoA Bonnets, which I trust are the official Jamaican government accession. As for the Peppermania "TJSB", as Beth calls them, I understand that the line came from pods collected in a market in Jamaica. In the sense that they are Scotch Bonnets and they did, in fact, come from Jamaica, I believe it's accurate to call the Peppermania Bonnets "True Jamaican." At any rate, I'm only using the name Beth uses in her catalog.

I understand the significance of the MoA Scotch Bonnets is that the strain actually grown by farmers in Jamaica was becoming weak, and the Ministry of Agriculture produced the improved Bonnet seeds (some of which a few of us THP growers were lucky enough to acquire through STEVE954) to insure consistent quality of an extremely important Jamaican agri-product.

I'm excited to be growing the MoA peppers. Right now I have 6 sprouts from 6 cells sown. I'm hoping they are even better than Beth's already excellent Scotch Bonnets.

Here's a pik of the Peppermania Bonnets from my 2012 grow. Compare the shape to that of Steve's photo above:

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Gary, this pepper looks as a scotch bonnet should! excellence! However the "scotch bonnet-Jamaican" that I grew from Beth(which I grew 11 plants) all produced pods that looked like the 2 in your photo above. Those do not look anything like these Beauts!
 
From mi wanderings in Ja I saw that people just simply grew stuff . ALL kinds of stuff. Mangoes , Yams ( not sweet taters ) , Bananas of different types , Callaloo , and the list runs on . Everyone grew the stuff to eat !! Some grew it to help pay the bills.

When I was in out of way places like Coffee Man's area .... I saw where the isolation made things like the Bonnet different than what I saw at the market in MoBay. There was a lot of variation. At that time as far as I know there wasn't but a few farmers or groups of farmers that were working on exporting their product. Then when the Caribbean taste became popular they couldn't bring forward a steady product. So I get why the MoA put effort in on their project. Nuff respect there .. Ja needs money for da people .

Peace,
 
I have and grown Beths Jamaican Bonnets. I've had plants with both shape pods, photo #2 and the two that Gary's displaying from his 2012 grow. That particular strain seems to put out larger pods towards the end of my season. They will ripen pretty quick to an orange shade if left on the plants. I know actually what the scent of burnt plastic that Gary's talking about. To me its a burning "carbon" smell. Some folks describe the scent of the Bonnet as fruity, I detect more of a smoked scent different than a hab. Now on the other hand I detect the fruity/ citrus flav out of the Bahamian Goats.
Ha....cross the two and you'll have yourselves some smokin "Bamaicans"

I also grow the P.Dreadie Select, seeds were from Chris (cmpman). The pods off the 1st years plants were lobed but somewhat elongnated. The pods stayed yellow through ripening and although all didn't have the particular tam shape (a few did) the pods had the distinct Bonnet scent and packed a good amount of upfront heat that the TFM's and the FDA'S done share. Now I select seeds from only the best shaped pods.

We'll see how these MoA's produce in the U.S. soil...
 
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