Sudden Yellow Veins

Tybo

Tybo

Hello all.  I all of a sudden have an issue that I need to address.  (At least I think I do)
All of a sudden I have this Foodarama Bonnet that has developed yellowing of the leaf veins.  The veins more so than the leaf areas.  I tried searching and all I found was green veins/yellow leaves.
It has been in the 90's here with a few thunderstorms but I don't think they are overwatered.  Especially being in fabric containers.
No fertilizer in about 3 weeks but when I did I gave the the Alaska Fish stuff 5-1-1 at the recommended rate.
Here are a few pics.
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Sta-Green moisture control with extra perlite added.
Yep, I've read I should make my own so I hope to do that next season but for now I'm dealing with this.
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solid7 said:
Just because they're in fabric, doesn't mean that you can't overwater them.
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True but at least they're not sitting in mud.  I've checked and they don't feel very wet at all.
 
Then you already know that I'm going to tell you that your plants look like the media is either compacted and/or overwatered...  This is literally the textbook signature look of either/both of those conditions.
 
Ok, how to deal with the problem this late in the season?  With compaction that is.
 
I can "not" use the fish fertilizer to cut back on having to use water.
 
If it's raining a lot, consider adding the fish goo undiluted to the pot, and let the rain take care of the rest.  Otherwise, use a slow release fertilizer.  Osmocote type product.
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I don't think that it's been sufficiently ascertained that it's compaction over watering, at this point.
 
Since I need to learn as much as I can about this hobby, will you explain how compaction causes this?
I'm trying to link over-watering and compaction.  Does the compaction retain water so there is too much water?  Seems like it would shed water.
 
Compaction eliminates air space in the root zone.  Same as too much water.  Compaction = suffocation, overwatering = drowning.  Same end result.
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It's part of that whole discussion of why we don't use soil in containers...
 
lower leaves drop to form new branches, it is pretty common. 
Is this all over the plant, or just the lower ones?
 
but generally you should stay away from moisture control. it usually means they put something in the mix that holds extra water. this is good for flowers and lets you be lazy, but not so great for veggies.
peppers like a high porosity fast draining mix.
 
juanitos said:
lower leaves drop to form new branches, it is pretty common. 
Is this all over the plant, or just the lower ones?
 
but generally you should stay away from moisture control. it usually means they put something in the mix that holds extra water. this is good for flowers and lets you be lazy, but not so great for veggies.
peppers like a high porosity fast draining mix.
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So far just the lower portion.  See pics above.
 
Next year I intend to make my own soil mix as found on this site but I am stuck this season.  
 
I don't know if there is anything I can do this season to improve the situation without stopping fruit production.  It may be a moot point if this continues.  Strange thing is some of my other plants in the same mix look good.
 
Tybo said:
Next year I intend to make my own soil mix as found on this site but I am stuck this season.  
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I don't understand this statement.  Are you really suggesting that you can't pick one plant, and repot it in a different mix?
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Something tells me that you'll be back asking the very same questions next season. ;)
 
solid7 said:
 
I don't understand this statement.  Are you really suggesting that you can't pick one plant, and repot it in a different mix?
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Something tells me that you'll be back asking the very same questions next season. ;)
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As I have said before, I am new at this.
 
I have two (2) Foodarama plants.  This plant is the only one with any fruit on it.  I am afraid if I repot it, it will be set back and this being the middle of July it may not recover in time before the end of the growing season here.  Maybe I'm wrong in that thinking.
 
Your last statement is presumptuous and unnecessary.
 
Thanks for your help though.
 
Tybo said:
 
As I have said before, I am new at this.
 
I have two (2) Foodarama plants.  This plant is the only one with any fruit on it.  I am afraid if I repot it, it will be set back and this being the middle of July it may not recover in time before the end of the growing season here.  Maybe I'm wrong in that thinking.
 
Your last statement is presumptuous and unnecessary.
 
Thanks for your help though.
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Ok, your statement is fair.  And let me respond in kind with this: your fears are baseless and irrational.  Rather than ask anyone if this would be problematic, you crafted that narrative, and drove ahead with it, full throttle.
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So are we even, then?
 
The soil looks like it's pretty close to the top of your pots, if you were having a compaction issue the soil would be a lot lower than when you planted the peppers as the soil would have settled, thus compacted.  How often are you watering?  How often and how much is it raining?  The soil is probably fine, nutrients may be getting washed out from too much water.  Or maybe your plants are perfectly fine, we can't see the top.  You're always going to lose some lower leaves and when they fall off, they'll yellow first.
 
Doelman said:
The soil looks like it's pretty close to the top of your pots, if you were having a compaction issue the soil would be a lot lower than when you planted the peppers as the soil would have settled, thus compacted.  How often are you watering?  How often and how much is it raining?  The soil is probably fine, nutrients may be getting washed out from too much water.  Or maybe your plants are perfectly fine, we can't see the top.  You're always going to lose some lower leaves and when they fall off, they'll yellow first.
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I only water when the containers feel light.  After I water or we have a decent rain they are fairly heavy so I have been going by that.  Not real accurate, huh!
 
Mostly lower leaves and not all of my plants are doing this.  
 
I may get a few more pics later today.
 
solid7 said:
If it's raining a lot, consider adding the fish goo undiluted to the pot, and let the rain take care of the rest.  Otherwise, use a slow release fertilizer.  Osmocote type product.
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I don't think that it's been sufficiently ascertained that it's compaction over watering, at this point.
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How does this ge ascertained?
 
 
solid7 said:
 
Ok, your statement is fair.  And let me respond in kind with this: your fears are baseless and irrational.  Rather than ask anyone if this would be problematic, you crafted that narrative, and drove ahead with it, full throttle.
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So are we even, then?
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Even?  I wasn't trying to one up you.  :cheers:
 
Tybo said:
How does this ge ascertained?
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By narrowing down options, based on YOUR continued input. It's not always easy, you know. I'm sitting here some hundreds of miles away, looking at pics on a screen, of problems that often look strikingly similar to (if not exactly like) other problems.
 
 
Tybo said:
How does thisEven?  I wasn't trying to one up you.  :cheers:
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Yeah, that was me light-heartedly defusing the tension.  Shit usually ain't as serious as my bluntness might convey.  I don't really have filters.
 
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