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so I have a VERRY unique strain of black raspberry that has been growing in my yard organically for more than twice as long than ive been alive (I'm 36). when I was a little kid we used to keep like an acre of just a berry patch but after my dad got sick and then died there was no one around to take care of them and the lawn service just decided to mow them all down one day ( I could have killed a bunny I was so mad). well ive moved back into the house a few years ago to take care of it and the yard and stuff and was able to save a few plants back then and have them growing in spots that are impossible to get a mower to now, my question is as follows....
 
ive tried cloning them but the methods I remember from previous cloning projects didn't work, Ive tried saving the seeds and replanting them but that didn't work. does anyone know anything about cloning raspberry plants from healthy established plants? or do I just need to fence off an area and let them do their thing for 10 years? if someone can give me a successful method to replicate these plants quickly I will mail them a big bottle of the hot sauce I plan on making with it...
 
these are not just plants I can go buy replacements for btw, the family that owned the property before me actually commissioned someone from Europe in the early 1900s to live here and adapt them to our climate and he lived on the grounds and kept crossing berry plants for more than a decade until he got it right. they taste like nothing else I can find, and I want to share them with the world but the plants are making that difficult... HEEEELLLPPP
 
My method is very simple, when they start to grow for the season older limbs start to bend towards the ground and establish new roots/plants. I take those and put them where I want. I have about 30 * 3 feet of raspberries and blackberries I maintain. 
 
ive tried that :)   and while it works, it takes forever.  i mean the plant buries a new part of itself in the ground every season and sprouts roots from the tendril it buried....  it should be ridiculously easy to clone these things, and yet its not.  I'm worried it has something to do with the various plants it got crossed with to make it grow here...
 
JoynersHotPeppers said:
My method is very simple, when they start to grow for the season older limbs start to bend towards the ground and establish new roots/plants. I take those and put them where I want. I have about 30 * 3 feet of raspberries and blackberries I maintain. 
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these are not blackberries, nor are they rasberries... they are more than 6x crosses, but the only ones i know are in it are raspberry, wineberry, and wild blackberry... the dude kept the European ones a secret
 
Hybrid_Mode_01 said:
     What time of year are you taking your cuttings?
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ive tried early spring, ive tried late summer, ive tried june whatever that is... cuttings dont work with this wierd hybrid. unless there is someone out there with a specific black rasberry hybrid cloning hormone secret im afraid i will have to do this at natures pace which will mean i cant share it because each rooting is too valuable.
 
What's wrong with the seeds then? You think they're infertile because of the hybridization? Sounds super interesting! Hope you can make it work with the help of some of the pro botanists on here. I'll read into the subject and post if I find out anything.
 
     Try February. I have the best luck propagating tree cuttings a month or two before bud swell.
 
     You want to take the cuttings before the canes wake up and start stretching. That way the meristems haven't had a chance to fully differentiate into shoot cells. Hitting them with some rooting hormone and getting them in water (or sand or whatever) while they're still pluripotent would probably be your best bet.
 
     Otherwise just do what you can to tip the odds in that specific plant's favor. Mulch the shit out of the surrounding area to eliminate competetion and give them all the water they need and a little balanced organic fertilizer/compost.
 
I've read about a propagation method for Rubus called 'mist propagation', which apparently works for every known member of the blackberry family. Basically it creates a very humid environment that keeps transpiration levels at a minimum, which allows for high light intensity, that in turn keep respiration levels also at a minimum. The combination of these effects allow the plant to use more substances for rooting. You can read more about it here, and learn how to do it at home here. Remember I'm not an expert at anything, so if this info isn't accurate I wouldn't know. I'm just good at googling, lol.
 
b3rnd said:
I've read about a propagation method for Rubus called 'mist propagation', which apparently works for every known member of the blackberry family. Basically it creates a very humid environment that keeps transpiration levels at a minimum, which allows for high light intensity, that in turn keep respiration levels also at a minimum. The combination of these effects allow the plant to use more substances for rooting. You can read more about it here, and learn how to do it at home here. Remember I'm not an expert at anything, so if this info isn't accurate I wouldn't know. I'm just good at googling, lol.
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well i am definitelty going to look into those links....  all the crap i have gotten off of google the last two years has been useless, but this shit is worth the work, for sure.... i am trying to clone plants in a small space though, this solution sounds enourmos...
 
Try this (you can do this numerous times on multiple stalks 8-12" apart)  Scrape the skin off about an inch of the stalk with a knife or razor. In the same area, cut a few light scrapes in the stalk with a razor or fine-tooth serrated blade. Rub on some rooting hormone or honey, (don't need either but this helps make it work better and faster). Wrap a moist paper towel around the exposed area, wrap the paper towel up in saran wrap to hold in the moisture, tape up the top and bottom with some electrical tape to hold in the humidity. You can remove the top tape if you dont see moisture through the saran wrap anymore but it usually lasts the whole process. Wait until you see roots growing through the paper towel under the saran wrap and cut off that piece and plant it.
 
If all else fails you could try finding help at a university or something. There probably are some with the right equipment, and if your plant is really as special as you said, they might help you in return for some samples.

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DWB said:
Try this (you can do this numerous times on multiple stalks 8-12" apart)  Scrape the skin off about an inch of the stalk with a knife or razor. In the same area, cut a few light scrapes in the stalk with a razor or fine-tooth serrated blade. Rub on some rooting hormone or honey, (don't need either but this helps make it work better and faster). Wrap a moist paper towel around the exposed area, wrap the paper towel up in saran wrap to hold in the moisture, tape up the top and bottom with some electrical tape to hold in the humidity. You can remove the top tape if you dont see moisture through the saran wrap anymore but it usually lasts the whole process. Wait until you see roots growing through the paper towel under the saran wrap and cut off that piece and plant it.
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Great idea DWB! I use peat pellets instead of paper towels....
 
 
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hmm. so this is interesting. i realised that since this plant grows into the ground to reproduce that i might be attempting my clones incorrectly.... i inverted them this time and 4 of the 5 are still alive after 10 days, so thats promising... the other one is a shriveled twig.    to be clear, i took the cuttings and flipped them over so that leaf side down is actually leaf side up and its the best result I have seen yet...  what a strange plant.
 
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I do it this way, cut half of the stem
open it and place a piece of flat toothpick
put rooting hormone on the cut
add peat and place the plastic film
 
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