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7 Pot Brain Strain vs. Red 7 Pot Brain

AJ Drew

AJ Drew

Listed on this page with different photos and different prices are:

7 Pot Strain which is red
Red 7 Pot Brain
 
Have been growing 7 pot brain strain for a while, looks like the one he calls 7 pot strain.
Any clue?  Are they different peppers?

In addition to the Red 7 Pot Brain, which does not look like Brain Strain, there is listed a Yellow 7 Pot Brain which also does not look like Brain Strain.

Did somebody create something other than the Brain Strain and call it Brain despite not looking like a brain?

http://www.pepperjoe.com/shoppingcart/html/pepper.html
 
Yep. It all just doesn't make sense.. :shh:  I still think half the retailers are just buying stock and selling it as the description is given to them.. No confirmation on actual plants, no original images of pods, or quality control.. Oh well.. That's why certain retailers do so much better than others.
 
I have nice looking Butch-T's .. Looks nothing like those original pics that circulated with the deep red 7 pot looking pod with small red tail .. Mine look like something that was launched into space by Russia.. But that to me is the true Butch-T shape.. But yet all the websites continue to use that stupid pod pic..!!
 
ajdrew said:
Listed on this page with different photos and different prices are:

7 Pot Strain which is red
Red 7 Pot Brain
 
Have been growing 7 pot brain strain for a while, looks like the one he calls 7 pot strain.
Any clue?  Are they different peppers?

In addition to the Red 7 Pot Brain, which does not look like Brain Strain, there is listed a Yellow 7 Pot Brain which also does not look like Brain Strain.

Did somebody create something other than the Brain Strain and call it Brain despite not looking like a brain?

http://www.pepperjoe.com/shoppingcart/html/pepper.html
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As has been said - that guy is not your best source for anything - except orange habs!
 
Little bit of a history lesson:
 
A lovely lady from Trinidad sent seed of Trinidadian ladraces to the good folks here at THP.  One such recipient was Cappy aka Pepper Ridge Farm.  He grew these red 7 pots and amongst them noticed what became known as the BrainStrain.  He isolated and grew them out and now we have the magnificent BrainStrain (my favourite chinense by a long way). 
 
Also sent over were yellow 7 pots and a host of all weird and wonderful things.  The original pics I saw of the yellow 7 pot looked pretty much like what is called a yellow BrainStrain.  If the yellow BrStr mutated out of the red then I would say it was genuine - but I agree with Cappy that it actually just a yellow 7 Pot.  I do list them on my grow list as Yellow BrainStrain - because I grow another clone of yellow 7 pot and to avoid muddling I keep them separate - and not gonna be pompous and rename them ;) .
 
The original red 7 pot - and you can still find it occasionally listed as such - I have seen it listed as Red 7 Pot SR strain original - will look very similar to a BrStr - just not as refined.  Cappy did all that work for us.
 
It often seems to come down to either trashing or defending a seedman. Think we could set that aside and crunch on the peppers themselves?

Could someone have named a strain the Red Brain and the Yellow Brain which do not look like the Brain Strain?

Maybe a better question: With all this knowledge, why aren't more people contributing their time and effort to the pepper data base that I saw in someone's tag line.  I took a look, thing looks to be an install of Media Wiki.  Very user friendly.

Kraken, yes I do think most retailers are mainly resellers.  I know that is true of Pepper Joe because he solicits growers to grow for him.  I -think- Buckeye Peppers was one of his growers at one point and is a member here.  He could likely shed some light on how it works, but just knowing it happens is enough for the conversation.

My family and I have been mainly produce for some time.  Started doing peppers by mail last year, seeds this fall.  Had never before put much thought into how a person would sell peppers, seeds, or plants mail order.  Without being there, seeing the product, touching, sampling, it seemed unusual.  But in all these conversations with folk like you and especially folk who have negative things to say about various merchants I have decided to do something I don't see much.

Going to photograph the crap out of everything.  Not saying a person will be able to see the mother plant of their seeds or pods specifically, but probably the batch that they came from.  If nothing else, I think it will be fun to share.  Maybe next year go with a mini CSA sort of thing where a group of people own a patch of plants and get a percentage based on their ownership.

So man weird ideas came to mind this winter.  Learning, growing, loving it.
 
And I have grown Red B.S. that looked like Red Moruga Scorpion Blend, and vice versa.
 
So, what is true?
 
 
 
I photograph all my own pods seed is gathered from, if their very different to each other I usualy get a few pods In the pic to show the variation, if they tend to be fairly universal I get the best example.. That way I know my customers will get what there buying (and I have an open pollination exception) but as I have virtually no pollen transferring insects and no bees in the area it's less of an issue.

When I get a quality plant for pods that seem a cut above the rest I even isolate those seeds from the standard stock and makes seperate product batch and continue to grow it out separately.
 
Kraken, you are practicing what every seed saver should.  Unfortunately, for some odd reason even those who are just saving for their own use don't make the effort to improve the dna.  I even do it with water melon, if the melon tastes better than the rest it is a candidate.  Yep, could be environment but still helps to sort.  Is also great fun with the kids to decide which to regrow the next year.
 
ajdrew said:
Kraken, you are practicing what every seed saver should.  Unfortunately, for some odd reason even those who are just saving for their own use don't make the effort to improve the dna.  I even do it with water melon, if the melon tastes better than the rest it is a candidate.  Yep, could be environment but still helps to sort.  Is also great fun with the kids to decide which to regrow the next year.
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I agree, however I find with peppers when there are so many examples to see on one plant its easy to get a good idea of physical differences, one pod.. a discrepancy... five pods, a chance variation... 80% of the pods.. that's what I'm looking for...  I have kept 2 different Trinidad morugas now for a second season aswell as a reaper going towards the third, the pods have moved away from the standard moruga's I had quiet a bit and I will continue to grow them out.
 
KrakenPeppers said:
 
I agree, however I find with peppers when there are so many examples to see on one plant its easy to get a good idea of physical differences, one pot.. a discrepancy... 5 pods, a chance variation... 80% of the pods.. that's what I'm looking for...  I have kept 2 different Trinidad morugas now for a second season aswell as a reaper going towards the third, the pods have moved away from the standard moruga's I had quiet a bit and I will continue to grow them out.
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Do tell...
 
I would be interested, as I am sure most growers here would also be, in what these variations are.
 
Any chance of some pics?
 
Myself, I am growing some seeds from a Yellow 7-pot from last season that had 'spikes' as one might find on Bhuts. I am hoping they give me a similar pod as last season.
 
I too would love to know what changes occur as your pepper plants see their third year.  I had never even considered that could be a trait.  Now doing some serious wondering.
 
I don't have any of the yellow .. My next gen are currently growing atm.. The pods where almost like a rounded off squares with a lumpy round top and very pimply but scattered not consistent .. None of the pods had that overlap the flower and anthers cause creating that traditional Moruga look.... They were very hot and the placenta very dense and the seeds were quiet rectangular and unusually layered inside like rows of teeth, more so than normal morugas.

The reds are more triangular with deep indentations going to the tip, and while it's not uncommon to see some yellow pods looking like these it's more uncommon in the Reds and most of the pods on the plant were growing these pods, non of them had that traditional Moruga look either. There was occasional pods that were like little flat square pods with a wrinkled nose similar to a Moruga but still quiet different, where that little dome nose would be there was a smaller indented nose. The red pods while seeming to come in a lighter weight to a normal Moruga and seeming less dense are were equal in heat to regular morugas.

I have some photos of red to post, I'll have a look. I may have one photo of the first yellow plant pod. But not second gen.
 
Ok found some pics..
 

Yellow pod, notice the unusual skin pimpling, its unlike spikes and more like a roughness..
 

Yellow pod inside, hard to see but behind the seeds were multiple layers of seeds tightly packed together. The placenta was literally a big ball of yellow oil...
 

Red pod taken today vs a more traditional Moruga shape, Notice the squared off top not so rounded, seems to be a pattern in the squarer pods..
 

Red pod taken today vs more traditional Moruga shape, Notive the indented ridges, common on both triangular and square pods.
 

Red Triangular pod from same plant, has the more traditional rounded top near the calyx, but still has those deep ridges the length of the pod.
 

Red triangular pod from same plant, has that long triangular shape.
 
Out of all the pods off the plant so far I have only found one pod on the red plant that has a slight fold on one side.. The rest all look some variation of these two...
 
Cappy aka Pepper Ridge Farm worked on the original 7 Pot Brainstrain (Red).  Judy from PepperLover worked with Cappy on the yellow brainstrain, and Judy handled the chocolate all on her own.  Cappy and I are growing the chocolate this year and hope to help stabilize it.
 
The Yellow BS does not always show the same great brain shape that the red version is known for, so don't judge them based on a single picture.  We sold a ton of yellow BS peppers last year and had a quite a few that looked closer to a yellow 7 pot that failed to develop the pimpled brain look that people are searching for.
 
Here's our yellow BS from last year:
yellowBSSlider.jpg

 
Our Red BS from PL
 
redBSSlider.jpg

 
Thanks,
Stephen
 
Ignite said:
Cappy aka Pepper Ridge Farm worked on the original 7 Pot Brainstrain (Red).  Judy from PepperLover worked with Cappy on the yellow brainstrain, and Judy handled the chocolate all on her own.  Cappy and I are growing the chocolate this year and hope to help stabilize it.
 
The Yellow BS does not always show the same great brain shape that the red version is known for, so don't judge them based on a single picture.  We sold a ton of yellow BS peppers last year and had a quite a few that looked closer to a yellow 7 pot that failed to develop the pimpled brain look that people are searching for.
 
 
Thanks,
Stephen
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Lovely looking pods .. Great specimens .
 
ajdrew said:
Listed on this page with different photos and different prices are:

7 Pot Strain which is red
Red 7 Pot Brain
 
Have been growing 7 pot brain strain for a while, looks like the one he calls 7 pot strain.
Any clue?  Are they different peppers?

In addition to the Red 7 Pot Brain, which does not look like Brain Strain, there is listed a Yellow 7 Pot Brain which also does not look like Brain Strain.

Did somebody create something other than the Brain Strain and call it Brain despite not looking like a brain?

http://www.pepperjoe.com/shoppingcart/html/pepper.html
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mourga scorpion perhaps?
 
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