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#1 portveyn

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:58 AM

Hi again. I want to get a bottle of Dave's Ghost online, yet it reads Refrigerate after opening

on the label. I was hoping it's not nessesary... True or False? 

 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:07 PM

For liability purposes it is listed.

 

 


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:13 PM

For liability purposes it is listed.

 

 

 

Sounds goo. Do you think it would last for a year or two after opened?



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:14 PM

Prob.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:44 PM

Agreed for liability's sake. I've generally kept all condiments except mayonnaise/tartar sauce in the pantry, even after being opened. Ketchup, mustard, hot sauces, soy/tamari/teriyaki.... all say to refrigerate after opening. I've never had an issue. 



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:02 PM

Agreed for liability's sake. I've generally kept all condiments except mayonnaise/tartar sauce in the pantry, even after being opened. Ketchup, mustard, hot sauces, soy/tamari/teriyaki.... all say to refrigerate after opening. I've never had an issue. 

 

You put the ketchup and mustard in the cabinet after you opened them, seriously? :seeya:



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:04 PM

Neither need it. 


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:11 PM

I had that sauce for a long time, never refrigerate any of my bottled sauces. Not dead yet, so I guess you're safe.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:22 PM

Thank you guys. Just ordered a bottle. Reviews say that it's one of the best values out there. I hope it can compete with my ghost pepper favorite from Melinda's.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:22 PM

Ooh, that can be risky, depending on the product.  Most stuff with enough sodium or adequate acidity, I would say probably ok.  Thus, most hot sauces.  This stuff is probably inhospitable for sustaining any microbial growth, but mayo...scary.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:19 PM

 

You put the ketchup and mustard in the cabinet after you opened them, seriously? :seeya:

 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:11 PM

Thank you guys. Just ordered a bottle. Reviews say that it's one of the best values out there. I hope it can compete with my ghost pepper favorite from Melinda's.

 

I like Dave's a lot better than Melinda's. Dave's Ghost is good and a little hotter than Dave's Scorpion but the Ghost has more extract taste.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:28 PM

Thank you guys. Just ordered a bottle. Reviews say that it's one of the best values out there. I hope it can compete with my ghost pepper favorite from Melinda's.

I have both daves and melindas open right now and they're both good. I like daves ghost pepper on pizza. It is hot though and the heat stays with you for a good 15 to 20 minutes. Melindas I like to use on tacos and burritos. I would say I like the melindas more because I eat more tacos and burritos than I do pizza. lol
 



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:40 PM

It's an ongoing debate whether to fridge or not.  Most say to "refer after opening" for liability reasons, mine included. 

 

MOST are fine to be left out, but I have had some tank after a few days left out.  The ones that we've had go bad seem to be the smaller sauce companies, not any from the Big Boys/Girls.  One was an awesome sauce by Secret Aardvark in a plastic bottle. Couple days out on the counter in the summer and the bottle swelled up like a Wheeble, and did a big PFFFFT when opened.  Bummed that I had to pitch that sauce~

 

I think the Biggies make their sauces salty and vinegary enough so no refrigeration is required.  Smaller processors are reducing the vinegar and salt for better flavors, but that does require the sauces to be refrigerated after opening to keep it safe.  

 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:49 PM

It's an ongoing debate whether to fridge or not.

 

It's only ongoing when you log on otherwise it's settled. :P


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:29 PM


 
 
 
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:46 AM

Every time!

 

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 06:24 PM

Kinda funny people questioning not refridgerating Ketchup and Mustard, umm ever notice that the ketchup and mustard in most restuarants is... wait for it.... not refrigerated!  Those bottles of condiments including ketchup mustard and hot sauce that are sitting on the table when you have your meal, will still be sitting on the table the next morning


Edited by WickedMojo, 09 November 2017 - 06:26 PM.

Seriously though, that is impressive! ...even with its lack of thickness.................


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 06:45 PM

Examples of Condiments that don't need to be put in the fridge..

1. Mustard

Shelf life: 2 months

As long as the mustard doesn't contain fruits or vegetables, it has enough acid in it as a preservative. Yellow, Dijon, or even whole-grain can be put away in the cabinet for up to two months.

2. Ketchup Shelf life: 1 month

If you use ketchup often, do as restaurants and diners do — just leave it out. Ketchup can be kept unrefrigerated for up to one month, but if you don't think you'll finish the bottle in that timeframe, it's best to keep it in the refrigerator.

3. Fish Sauce Shelf life: 2 to 3 years

Fish sauce already has a long production and fermentation time, and it will sit just fine unrefrigerated. It may continue to ferment a bit and change slightly in flavor, but it is still safe to eat.

4. Soy Sauce Shelf life: 1 year

Just like fish sauce, soy sauce is fermented and does not need to be refrigerated unless you are keeping it for more than one year.

5. Hot Sauce Shelf life: 3 years

 most commercially bottled hot sauces can sit around for a few years — just make sure it is vinegar-based with no fruits etc. Again, the color may change, but it won't spoil.

 


Edited by WickedMojo, 09 November 2017 - 06:49 PM.

Seriously though, that is impressive! ...even with its lack of thickness.................


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:50 AM

excellent condiment list WM!

Examples of Condiments that don't need to be put in the fridge..

1. Mustard-

Shelf life: 2 months

As long as the mustard doesn't contain fruits or vegetables, it has enough acid in it as a preservative. Yellow, Dijon, or even whole-grain can be put away in the cabinet for up to two months.

2. Ketchup Shelf life: 1 month

If you use ketchup often, do as restaurants and diners do — just leave it out. Ketchup can be kept unrefrigerated for up to one month, but if you don't think you'll finish the bottle in that timeframe, it's best to keep it in the refrigerator.

3. Fish Sauce Shelf life: 2 to 3 years

Fish sauce already has a long production and fermentation time, and it will sit just fine unrefrigerated. It may continue to ferment a bit and change slightly in flavor, but it is still safe to eat.

4. Soy Sauce Shelf life: 1 year

Just like fish sauce, soy sauce is fermented and does not need to be refrigerated unless you are keeping it for more than one year.

5. Hot Sauce Shelf life: 3 years

 most commercially bottled hot sauces can sit around for a few years — just make sure it is vinegar-based with no fruits etc. Again, the color may change, but it won't spoil.

 

1-mustard- been around for eons, way before refrigeration was a thang.  formulated to survive non-refrigerated with vinegar-

2- ketchup- see above....tomatoes and vinegar both have low pH which helps for unrefrigerated shelf life....

3-fish sauce....been around for centuries, unrefridgerated 

4- soy sauce------same as #3........

 

 

#5 hot sauce---- NEW INDUSTRY!!!  yes, there are the hot sauce classics that have been around for eons like tabasco, tapatio, hoy fong, la Victoria, Cholula, etc....and those all have enough acidity or low enough pH by fermentation to make them OK to be left out on the table, under the palapa, under the blazing Baja sun, on the beach....for months and months.....

 

New sauces are not made to withstand those extreme long term non-refrigerated environments!!!  Well, maybe SOME are, but there are many that won't stand up to those extremes!!!  Just because it says "hot sauce"  on the label, don't expect it to have the same properties as Melinda's or Frank's.  

 

In the situation of the Secret Aardvark sauce that exploded because I did not follow the listed "refrigerate after opening".....That bottle was on our counter for about 3 days in the summer.  What if someone had eaten that sauce on day 2??? Which I'm sure was a swamp of Nasties brewing up on my kitchen counter.....!!!

 

 

While a lot of the classic sauces can be safely left out on the counter for months, are you willing to risk getting sick by leaving a sauce on the counter when it says to refrigerate?  Especially if it is from a newer sauce company that formulated it's recipe based on current processing standards that dictated "refrigerate after opening"?  And by newer, I'm talking about a company that's started up in the last 20 years, where refrigeration is expected when it is listed on the label.

 

It comes down to buyer responsibility.  If the sauce says to refer and you don't, if someone gets sick or dies from eating the spoiled sauce.... YourBadSoSad.....:shrug:

 

 

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